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Toyota Tacoma 2005+
Has anyone seen any photos of the 2005 Tacoma's? Toyota is only showing it's X-runner model of next year's model,(not part of the "fast and furious" generation-so I have no interest in a souped up lowrider!). Will they continue the Prerunner models?
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Actually, nevermind -- that looks like the X Runner you're talking about.
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-It looks like the V6 is the same 4.0L from the 4Runner, but if the X-Runner is the premium truck, then its probably unlikely that we'll get a 4.7L V8 from the 4Runner too.
-I think the old 3.4L is getting a little tired, we might see the 3.3L that's spreading across the line replace it. The 3.3L is more efficient, and as currently tuned, more powerful, but at higher RPM. The fact the 3.4L is the base Tundra engine though may mean it will also stay for the Tacoma.
-I'm sure Toyota will keep a 4 cyl for the single/xtra cab base models, but with the bigger size I'm not sure the 2.4L can handle it, and the 2.7L is so inefficient.
-Sales of the double cabs are so much better that we may see a limited lineup for the single and xtra cabs, rather than the other way around.
Any thoughts?
- Base model configuration (will Toyota follow Nissan and ditch the regular cab?)
- Projected vehicle weight (a big clue to engines, etc.)
- Engine range. Sure, the X-Runner gets the 4.0, but the current S-Runner has a larger - than - baseline (3.4 vs. 3.0) V6. A V8 option has been wishlisted for eons, but there's a lot of chatter (elsewhere) claiming Toyota rep's say 'no'. If they try for a 4-cylinder option, it's gonna have to be big (e.g., the current 2.7).
- Transmissions. The X-Runner gets a 6-speed. But what about the other models? Remember, Toyota's been eliminating manuals for the last decade... After all these years, they _still_ haven't caved in and offered manuals on either the PreRunners or the Double Cabs.
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My main contention is that the 3.4L is old. It's seeing minimal use in the Tundra, whose line is now dominated by the 4.7L V8. It's apparent that the 4.0L is coming to the Tacoma, and will probably dominate the line.
The general trend now is to consolidate engines and platforms, so I don't see Toyota keeping a 2.4L, 2.7L, 3.4L, 4.0L, and a 4.7L in their truck lineups.
Does anyone know if the Tacoma 2.4L is related to the Camry/RAV4/Highlander 2.4L?? If it is, then its most likely staying for the economy Tacoma. If Toyota puts a RWD tranny on the 3.3L, then I think it may replace both the 2.7L and the 3.4L. Toyota would rather you bought the 4.0L for REAL truck use.
I'd also say there's only a 1% chance of seeing the 4.7L V8 in the Tacoma until there's a bigger engine available for the Tundra.
I just want a 4.0L double cab 4WD with a 5-speed. And other than the X-runner body kit, I like the looks of the 2005 Tacoma.
Despite the fact that the 3.3L is used in heavier vehicles such as the Sienna, HL, and RX, it was designed for moderate duty use, and not with rear wheel drive, or 4WD. (The Sienna, HL, and RX use a front wheel drive biased AWD system).
The 2.4L in the current Tacoma is not in the least related to the 2.4L in the Camry/HL/RAV4/tC.
I agree with the fact that Toyota would be using too many engines if the Taco 2.4L, 2.7L, and the Taco/Tundra 3.4L continue on. My guess is that only one or perhaps NONE of these three will serve as the base in the new Tacoma. Maybe we'll see a toughened version of the Camry's 2.4L, but I doubt it. In terms of the Tundra, I can easily see Toyota dropping the 3.4L V6 completely, with or without a base replacement. VERY FEW Tundras sell with the basic V6 and auto combination.
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But I have yet to see anything on the Tacomas. Seems to me the bread and butter truck from Toyota was the Hilux and it may be a good one to introduce a hybrid that is maybe a six cylinder with the economy of the 4. Maybe that is in the works?
I also know that gasoline will rise in cost to over $2 a gallon this summer. It is already higher than $ 2 a gallon in California from what I understand. Gets expensive for long-distance commuters! Time for the hybrids to show up in the car shows!
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The question is, what would be the gain? The 4.0L V6 gets more horsepower but less torque then the IForce. I think the only real gain would be for towing. But is the Tacoma made to tow more than 5,500 lbs? At the same time you'll loose fuel economy. Regardless, it'll be a great fall as these new trucks compete against one another. I just hope the New Tacoma retains all of its off road capability. I really hope the Crew Cab has the same sliding rear window as the Tundra.
Pulling a trailer with a car with total weight of about 4,500 lbs combined with a 2003 Tacoma Xcab 4WD V6 was fine as far as power, however, the pucker factor was fully engaged during braking. A compact truck is good for it's intended use, towing heavy loads is better left to full size 1/2, 3/4 or whichever truck is appropriate for the need.
I laughed for a long time at people complaining about the tow ratings on the new Colorado and Canyon.
As for the GM twins, I think they are grossly low. My Sienna can tow about as much as them. Now I realize these trucks won't be pulling Campers or anything, but they should be able to pull toys like quads, ski boats and such.
So the size difference is in the cab. They metamorphosed from a regular cab to an extended to a quad cab. And now the regular cab is on the endangered species list because everyone is trading up.
And to attest to the 04 Tacoma: the extended-cab was one of two vehicles that lifted their wheels off the ground during the government's new "road-edge recovery test." The new wider stance and heavier profile '05 Tacoma should "set" more firmly on the road. I had wondered if that new ABS braking feature--that is supposed initiate on sharp turns to help that 04 Tacoma--contributed to the tip over?
And I wondered what the devil these test drivers did to cause it to go over. I saw a photo of the truck tipped up with the passenger side wheels lifted to 16" off the ground. The outriggers on the drivers side were in full contact with the pavement. And they didn't have that problem in previous tests. My wife ran our 94 Hilux off the edge of the road and descended down a steep embankment in the snow. She must have been all over that steering wheel by the tracks she made in the snow. The Hilux did not turn over and pulling it up that 8' embankment onto the highway simply took facing the road perpendicular, locking the hubs, putting the transfer case into 4-wheel and flying up the hill. That 4-popper responded beautifully and I was back on the road and driving home in a jiffy.
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Are you talking about vehicle stability control (VSC)? That system is pretty effective at PREVENTING loss of stability, so its unlikely it would contribute to a tip-up. But in any case, the Tacoma tested did not have VSC. VSC is standard in all Toyota SUVs for 2004 but not the P/Us.
~alpha
I really like the new 2005 style and it would be perfect for me. I only use the truck for myself and only put bicycles and motorcycles in the back. No Towing for me or off roading.
I'm very interested in the Factory surpercharger and think that is what I want. Anybody have an idea what price they will charge for this new model with Automatic and supercharger?
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Base price for 2005 will probably be around 16-20K for a 2WD model.
A V6 will drive the cost up to probably 22-24K, auto is another 1K. Blower costs 3K for current models, and new V6 will be shipping with a brand new TRD blower..that's another 3-4K (Blower that TRD made for iForce V8 cost 4K, thats the one that goes on Tundra).
So if you want a 2005, you may be able to get it for around 30K. Forget about buying it for invoice in the first year too.
Why not buy a 2004 model instead? Been around for a while, engines are proven design, TRD blower has finally been fixed (no ping like in 2001 models), and you can have it for a lot less. If you put a charger and headers on it, you can get it up to 265hp.
Toyota and Honda often go against the grain when introducing new models.
If you recall, the more bread and butter Toyota and Hondas are not intro-ed at auto shows or press events prior to immediate release. Think of the most recent generations of the Civic, Accord, Avalon, Corolla, Camry, and many others. Honda's much anticipated new Odyssey is due this September, but theres not much info thats concrete.
My point: Im willing to put money on the fact that we'll see a full range of Tacos this Fall, and if not a full range, something darn close.
~alpha
Right now, I like the Tacoma more than the 2005 Frontier, which looks a little homely and the 2005 Dakota, which I think has gotten too big. The Ranger / Mazda are obsolete, and the Canyon / Colorado have that joke of a low torque 5 cylinder, as compared to the new 4.0 sixes in the Toyota and Nissan which will blow the GM twins into the weeds. The GM twins also have cheesy plastic interiors.
I also like the curtain airbags and stability control on the new Toyota. I am never buying another tall vehicle without these features. Two questions if anyone knows the answer:
1. Will Toyota offer a automatic or AWD mode on the 4wd? This is a great feature if you encounter changing road conditions, so you don't have to keep flipping back and forth. As an example - driving on a winding mountain road. You get in the sun, the road is bone dry. Round a bend and you are in snow and ice in the shade. Please note I do not want this at the expense of having a low range and an lsd.
2. Does anyone know how the back seat works? It seems the Nissan Titan is the only crew cab truck that gets it, with rear seats flipping up creating a relatively low and flat floor for dogs and stuff. From pictures I have seen the new Dakota and Nissan have seats that flip up, but the floors are not flat. Trucks where the seats flip down (Like the GM twins) create a load surface too high to easily put your dogs on, then the dogs will be drooling on your shoulder because they are sitting up so high. Flip up seats and a flat floor would clinch the deal for sure. Don't any truck designers actually have dogs? Do they just figure people put them in the bed?
Sorry for the long post, but I am pretty excited about the new Tacoma and look forward to learning more about it as time goes on.
I think the only way the Colorado/Canyon will remain competitive is if they significantly rebate the vehicles, keeping them 2-3,000 below the inports!
My hope is that they offer a very economical 4-cyl. w/auto for my needs. I've been torn between a Dakota and a Taco. I like everthing about the Taco more except the width. Now, thankfully, that is changing. I too have dogs...and a wife, so fold up seats with a flat floor board would be great. I don't care how long it takes to get from light to light. Putting around is my speed now-a-days and with a bad left hip, I do not want to shift.
Anyways, thanks for the pics and info. When the MPG ratings come out, put 'em on here.
VVT-I to it. The upgrade will be the 4.0L V6 currently used in the 4runner. I still HOPE they will offer the v8 in the d-cab models, but i don't think it will happen.....yet.
The 1KZ-TE 3.0L turbo diesel offers more power than the gasoline 3.4L and is 20% more fuel efficient.
Extra Cab or Double Cab only (if Reg cab is available, it will probably only be for non Pre-Runner/4WD models, ie BASE)
2.7L 4 cyl (2WD only) or 4.0L V6 engines
4-speed and 5-speed electronic auto trannies (I assume 4spd = 4 cyl, 5-speed = 6 cyl)
5-speed (no info on which configs its available) and 6-speed (X-Runner only problaby) manual trannies.
Truck moves to midsize from compact, possible loss of ground clearance (2 inches?). Gas mileage should be similar to current models (est 20 mpg for 4.0L 2WD on interstate - reference 4Runner)
Do you think the X-Runner with super charger will be available in Automatic or 6 speed only?
for the 2.7 liter 163hp with 183lb.ft
The 4.0 is 245-282lbft
The 2.7ltr mileage goes from 22/25(from the 2.4)
to 24/35 in the 2.7!!!!
It looks bigger, they said 4.5 inches wide 4 inches longer and 4 inches taller, from what I see on the pictures extra cab open doors, 18 inch wheels
I heard it has a 4.0 v6 engine with 6 speed trans.
I think this is going to be my truck for Christmas.
It looks bigger, they said 4.5 inches wide 4 inches longer and 4 inches taller, from what I see on the pictures extra cab open doors, 18 inch wheels
I heard it has a 4.0 v6 engine with 6 speed trans.