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Toyota Prius vs VW Golf TDI

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    How about a 25-year-old Corolla for $5000? Given how much more a 2010 Prius costs compared to a new 1985 Corolla, a 26-year-old Prius should easily fetch over $5000.

    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/1358524627.html

    Or even better, how about a 1976 Corolla for $3650? That is about what I paid for a '76 Corolla new--talk about holding value!

    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/cto/1354937022.html
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    It is absolutely certain that your statement is incorrect.

    What is absolutely certain now after 8 years here is that the Prius holds its value far better than any other ICE-only vehicle mass-marketed in similar volumes, gasoline or diesel.

    KBB private party value is higher for 2001 VW Golf TDI $5965 than for 2001 Toyota Prius $5335 with mileage of 150,000 used for both computations.

    MSRP when new

    Prius $22000

    VW Golf GLS TDI $17400

    Golf TDI has superior retained value and lower initial cost.

    It is absolutely certain that your statement is incorrect.

    Diesel wins the retained value.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    What the older Corolla has in common with the older VWs is simplicity. The overly complex Prius will have long since gone to the crusher. New Vehicles do go lots of miles before they are worn out. They are designed for obsolescence before they reach a ripe old age. I would seriously doubt we will see many 2010 Golfs still running around in 2030. Too much crap to go bad and cost more to fix than is practical.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    I would seriously doubt we will see many 2010 Golfs still running around in 2030.

    So pretty much a non-differentiator then, eh?
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    As I had previously pointed out battery issues with a Prius are non-issues. If they are an issue beyond rare instances then please let me know the facts because I would be glad to hear them.

    And what is the replacement cost of these batteries.? Minimal especially when compared to the cost of replacing my 1999 BMW's 323i's Air Bag ICU.

    This whole battery issue is an irrelevant bogey man issue dreamt up here in this forum

    Oh and by the way do you know how the future generation of diesels will do? These low emission diesels do involve far more complex electronics than my 83 MB 300D or that Diesel VW Dasher you found on Craiglist. Believe me longetivity of 30 years with these new generation diesels are likely to be far more different than those grandfather diesels we see on the roads today. What do you think VW repair costs will be like if those electronics related to low emission begin to malfunction? Nope not a pretty thought indeed.

    In fact owning a Prius long term provides more piece of mind than any modern VW diesel today.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    So let me get this straight here.

    We got a group of auto enthusiast testers testing a car for its driving dynamics and performance and they dont like the Prius too much.

    Aint that a shocker.

    If I ever buy a performance car it will have no fuel efficiency pretensions just like my fuel miser Prius has no performance car pretensions.

    I want either fuel efficiency or performance. But not both. Why compromise? Owning a top notch performance car and a fuel miser is not a contradiction since both cars offer the best of both worlds. A TDI in itself is neither a top notch performance car or a fuel miser. It's just a compromise. A Prius is the "Real McCoy" in terms of fuel misers.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    This whole battery issue is an irrelevant bogey man issue dreamt up here in this forum

    Hardly. Every magazine article about the hybrids and especially the Prius questioned the longevity of the traction battery. The price from Toyota has come down over the last 5 years from over $5000 to somewhere between $2000 and $3000. Until we see them last 10 years without replacement the question still looms. That is over 4 years from now. And just for your information on my trip to Victoria BC a couple years ago I talked to a Prius Taxi driver. He told me there had been batteries replaced by Toyota. We don't know as they don't tell.

    In fact owning a Prius long term provides more piece of mind than any modern VW diesel today.

    Your piece of mind, not mine. I drive some roads that have high winds with people in Prius inching along to keep from being blown off the road. The Prius is a fine car for a flatlander in an urban setting. If given a Prius I would trade it while it has good resale value. They are noisy little rough riding cars that don't handle worth a hoot.

    Performance and handling are subject to where you plan to drive. If you want super performance and handling I think the 335D would satisfy all but the Porsche crowd. If you just like tooling around in mountain winding roads as I do the Golf TDI should be a dandy option.

    You can also have ultimate utility, excellent handling and performance in a BMW X5 diesel. And get better mileage on the road than most CamCords. There are options to cover a lot more of the consumers needs than are offered for sale in the USA.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    quote -Best-in-class gas mileage helped, but our goal was to find the car that best suited everyday driving, and Prius never made any of us want to go for a spin.-end

    Best suited to everyday driving is not testing for top notch performance.

    The shocker is that you interpret a test of high mileage vehicles as a measure of performance. I agree that driving dynamics are important and unlike Prius drivers I refuse to dismiss driving dynamics.
    TDI #1, TDI #2, Fusion Hybrid #3 is not a shocker either. The only area that Prius is a winner is in overall mileage. Prius is a compromise in every other area and is not a winner for everyday driving.

    dewey So let me get this straight here.

    We got a group of auto enthusiast testers testing a car for its driving dynamics and performance and they dont like the Prius too much.

    Aint that a shocker.

    If I ever buy a performance car it will have no fuel efficiency pretensions just like my fuel miser Prius has no performance car pretensions.


    quotePrius never made any of us want to go for a spin.-end
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Prius never made any of us want to go for a spin.

    That is the absolute gospel. I have gone several times to lunch with a friend that has a 2009 Prius. He loves it. Then his other vehicle is a Toyota Tacoma. So he had no real reference of what rides and drives nicely. It was always a pleasure to get out of that car and back into my Lexus or Sequoia. Neither of which I would consider great vehicles. Finding a compromise between great mileage and fun driving will always end up with a German vehicle. I have high hopes for the 2010 Golf. Sadly we may not get the Golf GTD with the high performance 2.0L Diesel engine. America land of the clunkers.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    09-09-09 IS MY 9-YEAR PRIUS ANNIVERSARY

    Here's my real-world data for those 3 generations I owned during that time, combined:

    184,852 MILES total

    3,924.4 GALLONS total

    47.1 MPG overall

    Let's see an automatic non-hybrid diesel do that.

    SHOW ME THE DATA.
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  • I think the verdict on this generation of diesel's reliability has to be reserved for the future. There is US only technology that is being deployed by traditionally overcomplicated European manufacturers- There are many potential problem areas that older diesels simply don't have.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    3 Prius in 9 years. Wow, they don't last long do they.
    If would have driven a diesel TDI it would have delivered 40 mpg plus and at only 185,000 miles it would still have years of life left.
  • john1701a,

    184,852 miles of some really boring driving. What good is 47 mpg if you can't have some fun driving?

    Say it with me Prius guy:
    The Golf TDI is fun to drive (or at least more fun to drive than Prius).
    The Golf TDI is fuel efficient (just not as fuel efficient as a Prius).
    The Golf TDI has character (just like the Prius has character - just diff styles).
    The Golf TDI is good for the environment (much more so than a gasser).

    And I, diesel guy, admit the following with ease:
    The Prius is very fuel efficient (the most fuel efficient car in this segment).
    The Prius has a great reliability record (impressive tech that lasts, well done 'Yota).
    The Prius is very good for the environment (plus, green = good community points).
    The Prius does not handle very well, nor is it really designed to handle well.

    Can everyone agree these above items are true? I know why each side hates the other but lets agree on these. This is my last ditch effort at reasoning with Prius guy. Make me proud Prius guy.
  • i'm with you, thammer. on toyota's payroll for sure. behaving as if there is no viable option other than the prius.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > they don't last long do they.

    Do you honestly anyone is actually going to believe that?

    The dealer paid decent $$$ for the trade-in.

    They were my contribution to the used market. So, someone who wasn't looking for a new model had something available to buy.
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  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > The Golf TDI is...

    Notice how each claim is vague.

    Not quantifying is a common greenwashing technique.

    Let's see actual numbers.

    Again, SHOW ME THE DATA.
    .
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Some Prius owners are convinced it is the only option worth using. I can beat John's lifetime mileage by at least double by riding the bus and trolley system in San Diego. I have a man that catches the trolley at the border in the wee hours of the morning. Rides to the last stop about 45 miles from the start. Gets on a bus for the last 16 miles. Works all day for me and repeats going back to his home in Tijuana. All for only $5 per day. Or as little as $18 per month unlimited usage for those over 60 or disabled. No way you can drive a Prius or any other car for $5 per day, all day. At $3 per gallon average John spends about $1300 per year just on gas. I can ride the bus and trolley a million miles per year for $216. The point being a cheap ride is not the end all. Until someone offers me a vehicle with the utility, comfort and room of my Sequoia using half as much fuel on the highway I will just keep paying for gas getting 15 MPG. I could cut most of those miles in a year with a car like the Golf TDI. It would not really save any money. Just like buying 3 new Prius over a 9 year period is not economical. I can show that I have not wasted as much fuel over the last nine years as John with vehicles all getting less than 25 MPG. For the money spent on 3 Prii John could have owned a very nice luxury car getting 30 MPG and had plenty left over to pay for the gas. Nothing economical about owning a Prius. Get a Fit or Yaris if you really think saving is the end all.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    That sure is off-topic. In fact, it's a rather desperate attempt to avoid the discussion.

    54.1 MPG is the average in my 2010 as of 6,840 summer miles.

    What's yours?
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  • can i ask why the prius fans can't enjoy their prius and the vw fans be free to enjoy the golf? they are very unique and separate cars with different attributes. i'm not sure why some prius folks must discount the many positive attributes of the golf??? live and let live.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    I already told you the Sequoia gets 15 MPG on this CA crap ethanol gas. !7 MPG on decent Regular unleaded. How well does your Prius pull a 7000 lb trailer? Or how comfortable is it for 7 people on a long road trip? If owning a car was only about mileage the Prius would be ok. It is not near the top of my wants and desires in a vehicle. Ever run down a sandy wash in your Prius? And it sure is not as much fun to drive as a Golf TDI once you get out of the stinking cities. Which I try to avoid. Sometimes going an extra 100 miles or more out of my way. You like your Prii and that is good. It would not convince me if it got 100 MPG going 90 MPH all day long. I have driven and ridden in them enough to know they are not for me. Aside from the fact they are downright ugly and have horrendous blind spots.
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