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Toyota Prius vs VW Golf TDI

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    Kind of funny, though, that you are so passionate about two cars that you have no intention of owning

    I like the VW TDI with DSG. If they offer it in the Tiguan or Amarok it will be very tempting. I don't like low slung cars too hard on my back getting out. That is what I hate about the Lexus. Trucks and SUVs are just more comfortable getting in and out of. I did sit in the GTI while at the VW dealer and really liked the seats. Very Comfy. So maybe the Golf TDI will have the same ones. They are up a bit higher than the Jetta which is too low for my liking. I seriously doubt that I will buy another gas vehicle in this life time. I was not going to when I bought the Sequoia. Nothing with diesel was to my liking and I had just sold my 05 GMC. I regret buying it. Though it is not a bad vehicle just a gutless gas hog. Not enough torque to carry the rig up the highway I drive in high gear. I do not like to hear an engine screaming to keep up with traffic. A vehicle that will not pull the Interstate hills in high gear at 70+ MPH is not something I want. Our Passat TDI would do it and our Mercedes Sprinter would do it. The LS400 will not, same as the Sequoia. NO TORQUE, NO WANT.

    My neighbor has a 99 VW Beetle TDI with 150K and has never had any major work done. He does all his own service. His wife does not like to drive their Sienna. She loves that Beetle.
  • Funny you should mention:

    "A vehicle that will not pull the Interstate hills in high gear at 70+ MPH is not something I want."

    The 1.8L Prius climbs a +8% grade very nicely:
    http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/pri_2010_810.jpg

    The 2010 Prius works a little better with 89 octane if hill climbing at +80 mph is going to be part of regular driving.

    Bob Wilson
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    I have heard the scream of the little Prius engine on just a slight slope. No Thanks. You can have it. If it has to go above 2000 RPM at 70 MPH up hill it has too little torque.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,898
    from my viewpoint VWs are super reliable, but the JD-powers/etc data used for reliability shows that other/non-euro brands have the edge. So that part's old hat.

    Bob W thanks for posting actually detailed comparisons, however slanted towards the darling Prius. Maybe i'll compare highway dB/etc figures for the Prius. Also it seems like it's worth a testdrive/comparison after another 100k on my current TDI.

    Seems like non of us posters are shopping for new cars, so we're all talk and no action - not about to spend $ on any new car!

    It sure would be interesting to read comments from someone who had recently cross-shopped any TDI vs a Prius !
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    You heard the old Prius engine from the Echo, right? You haven't driven the larger and more powerful 2010 Prius on a slope, have you?
  • Funny you should mention:

    "You heard the old Prius engine from the Echo, right? You haven't driven the larger and more powerful 2010 Prius on a slope, have you? "

    We sold our 1.5L 2001 Echo to make room for our 1.8L 2010 Prius. However, I still drive our 1.5L 2003 Prius and I have climb data for both Prius:

    http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/pri_hill_climb.JPG
    http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/pri_2010_810.jpg

    Notice the 2010 Prius weights more yet uses less fuel at the same speeds up until 65 mph. Above 65 mph, the 2003 Prius begins drawing battery power, a false economy because the battery power has to be replaced after the climb.

    Bob Wilson
  • You posted, "Bob W thanks for posting actually detailed comparisons, . . ."

    Thanks are really due to the TDI advocates who post in this Prius area tread. The TDI postings give the leads, the reasons, for posting empirical Prius data. Now when it comes to "likes," I'm good with folks having a personal preference. For example, I like grits but understand some folks prefer hash browns.

    So as long as TDI advocate posts something for which we have empirical Prius data, well it is only fair to share the facts and data. After all, ignorance can be cured.

    Bob Wilson
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    Many of the toxicities associated with diesel fuel are also found with exposure to gasoline. What is worse is that since gasoline has a lower vapor pressure, the toxic effects occur sooner and at lower temps.

    Explosive mixtures of gasoline and air occur at temperatures far below 52 degrees C.

    Gasoline goes through skin more easily than diesel fuel does.

    If you were to read the OSHA report for gasoline, it is just as bad if not worse than diesel.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    edited February 2010
    I don't disagree that gasoline is a hazardous and unhealthy substance. But I don't think diesel fuel is very healthy either. And I don't see that it is pertinent to the discussion of these two cars, since both forms of fuel will exist even if these two vehicles did not exist.
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    On I-70 near Hagerstown there is a place called South Mountain. On either side of the crest there is a long steep climb greater than 8%.

    I have seen multiple Prius with two passengers unable to maintain 60 MPH going up either side of this grade.

    I drive a Jeep Liberty Limited CRD (diesel) and with four passengers plus 300 pounds of cargo have climbed this pass at 60 MPH without a problem or even downshifting and the tach never exceeding 1750 RPM.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,898
    edited February 2010
    discussion of gas vs diesel seems most appropriate in this forum.

    also, attention K-Mart shoppers:
    New Prius prices have dropped $1000 or $1500 in the last few weeks.
    Meanwhile, TDI prices are holding constant.

    Maybe it's just "supply vs demand" which accounts for the Prius Price Plummet.
    Or maybe the VW TDIs are actually better *vehicles* (in-motion) while the Priuses are better while parked (used as generators or to save fuel in stop n go city traffic.)
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    Toyota prices in general will start falling even further. Toyota is a company run by liars and everything that Toyota promised is not true.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    First, how do you know the Priuses were unable to maintain the grade? Sometimes folks slow down on grades for fuel economy reasons.

    Second, these were all 2010 Priuses with the 1.8L engine, right?

    Third, what does the performance of your Jeep have to do with this discussion of the 2010 Golf TDI and Prius?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    In case you haven't noticed, Toyota is going through some difficult times right now, which obviously affects the pricing of their cars.

    But it does put the Prius at an even bigger price advantage wrt the TDI, for people looking to buy right now.
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    My Jeep is diesel powered so I think it fits.

    The Pruis that I saw were not 2010 but 2008 and 2008 models.
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    Had Toyota not lived on their reputation of building good cars, this forum would not even be here. One can live on past reputation only so long, then when you lie to bury issues, how else do keep selling cars, namely by trying to give them away to a public who does not want them.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    edited February 2010
    My Jeep is diesel powered so I think it fits.

    OK then. I know lots of diesel-powered vehicles that have all kinds of trouble making it up an 8% grade while maintaining speed. They have brand names of Kenworth, Freightliner, Volvo etc. I guess that makes the Prius superior to the Golf TDI in climbing grades--especially with the more powerful 1.8L engine for 2010? :P
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    I suppose then that VW is "giving away" some of their models (Passats, Routans etc.) because they are such liars?

    Can we stay on the topic please?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    Nice try at deflecting. Until you have driven a VW TDI you are no more qualified to assess their drivability than I am with a 2010 Prius. However I feel have spent more seat time in a 2009 Prius than I wanted to makes me qualified to speak of the Prius and its weaknesses. If a 2010 Prius can pull an 8% grade without going over 2000 RPM I will withdraw my complaint. Not sure when they will have them fixed so they can be test driven.
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    Hmm. Let us hook up the equivalent weight to the 2010 Prius and then see what happens. But then again, I do not know anyone who commutes in a Kenworth, Freightliner or Volvo truck.

    So Toyota gave the gas engine 22 more HP and 23 more lb-ft of torque. They raped the electric side dropping torque by 142 lb-ft to 153 lb-ft versus 295 lb-ft for the 2007 - 2009. I do not think that the larger gas engine will help.

    http://www.toyota.com/prius-hybrid/specs.html
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