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Toyota Prius vs VW Golf TDI

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  • eliaselias Posts: 1,837
    We remain "all talk no action!"
    WIth all the time to post on the web, at least one TDI fan must have time to go testdrive a 2010 Prius and then file 14 NHTSA complaints.
    And Bob W you seem to have a bunch of time - live a little and get out there and flog a TDI during a testdrive, and then call ABC news & LA times and file the NHTSA complaints!
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    How does the cost of maintenance on the Prius compare to Golf TDI?

    Maintenance is included for 3 years 36,000 miles on the Golf TDI.
  • bwilson4webbwilson4web Posts: 80
    edited February 2010
    You mentioned:

    ". . . your skewed economy numbers . . . "

    The source is the EPA web site, www.fueleconomy.gov. But since you
    seem interested in my numbers, let's start with the Edmunds mileage
    numbers for urban travel.

    Most of my travel is in Huntsville and though I'm getting closer to
    52 MPG, I don't have any TDI numbers. So we'll borrow the Edmunds
    numbers:
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    48 MPG - NHW20 Prius urban
    32 MPG - Jetta TDI

    We typically drive 20,000 miles per year, mostly urban, but we cruise
    on the highway at speeds that typically provide similar mileage.

    20000 / 48 ~= 417 gallons
    20000 / 32 ~= 625 gallons
    - - - -
    208 gallons, extra diesel bought

    Using $2.50/gallon for diesel:
    $520 per year - more than one car payment per year

    You wrote:

    ". . . you are going to be swearing . . . "

    We bought our first Prius in 2005. Four years later, we bought our second one. Repeat customers, we are quite happy. Gawd d*mn happy.

    Bob Wilson
  • bwilson4webbwilson4web Posts: 80
    edited February 2010
    You mentioned:

    ". . . TDI during a testdrive"

    Actually I want to rent a TDI for 2-3 days. Know of anyone?
    They need to be within say 150 miles of Huntsville AL and I would have no
    problem with driving over and renting one for a weekend.

    I've already visited the local VW dealer and sat in a Jetta TDI. That is how
    I found out about the driver side door jam blocking my view to the left lane.

    Seriously, I'll rent a TDI if we can find one for rent ... anywhere within a two
    hour drive. Perhaps you know a TDI owners in Huntsville AL who would
    agree to a vehicle swap, after handling the insurance issues, for a weekend?

    Bob Wilson
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,691
    I think you have posted those over sized charts before.

    I found out about the driver side door jam blocking my view to the left lane.

    That is the funniest thing you have posted yet. A Prius driver worried about blind spots. The biggest complaint from owners of the 2010 Prius is the horrible blind spots. That and numb steering and uncomfortable seats.

    Knock yourself out, scrolling past repeat posts is easy.

    VW does not need to sell their vehicles to the rental agencies. They sell all they can get to the dealers. No discounts on the TDI models yet. Big discounts on the Prius when they are removed from the no sell list.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,837
    hey there BW.
    I've never of any VW for rent in USA, either gas or dieseI.
    A PriusTDI weekend-vehicle-swap between pals is a neat idea.
    I think there wouldn't be any insurance issues, as long as both parties had their own insurance.
    I do have a close friend locally who has a pre-2010 Prius, the one in which I rode a couple times. Hmm... If we make it happen, I will surely post afterwards!
    cheers...
  • You wrote:

    ". . . you have posted those over sized charts before."

    They show the source material, the original data with
    the back-up facts and data. I'm really posting for visitors
    who may not have ready access to empirical, hard, data.
    They wouldn't be necessary if misleading and inaccurate
    posting weren't slow-pitched in this thread.

    Bob Wilson
  • bwilson4webbwilson4web Posts: 80
    edited February 2010
    Hi,

    I have a 2010 Prius and am looking for a Huntsville Alabama area,
    TDI owner to swap with for a weekend or whatever makes sense. I still
    want to make sure both insurance companies are 'cool' with a short
    term rider.

    Bob Wilson
  • You wrote:

    "According to Toyota they will start sending out letters next week . . ."

    Fri. 2010/02/05 - Announcement comes out about voluntary Prius brake recall

    Mon-Wed. - Saw posting about A0B fix working

    Wed 2010/02/10 - Called and schedule brake fix along with oil change and tire rotation.

    Thu. 2010/02/11 - Dealer called and left message about recall.

    Fri. 2010/02/12 - Dealer called a second time and left message about recall.
    Found e-mail from dealer about recall.

    Sat. 2010/02/13 - Car at dealer for schedule maintenance and brake fix.

    The reason I bring this up is Toyota is using the telephone and e-mail to contact
    Prius owners. I've not seen the letter but it won't have any effect ... I've
    already got the A0B software.

    Bob Wilson
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,691
    Another case where you cannot believe a word Toyota says. Hopefully you did get a fix for your brakes.

    TORRANCE, Calif., February 8, 2010 – Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc, today announced it will conduct a voluntary safety recall on approximately 133,000 2010 Model Year Prius vehicles to update software in the vehicle’s antilock brake system (ABS). No other Toyota vehicles are involved in this recall.

    The recall will allow Toyota dealers to perform the software update on 2010 Prius vehicles sold prior to this running production change. Only Prius vehicles produced since May 2009 are subject to this recall. First- and second-generation Prius vehicles use a different ABS system and are not involved in this campaign.

    Toyota will begin mailing letters to Prius owners included in this recall next week to let them know when to bring their vehicles into a dealership. Owners will only receive a letter if their vehicle is involved in the recall.


    http://www.toyota.com/recall/abs.html
  • You wrote:

    "Hopefully you did get a fix for your brakes."

    I did. I had test data documenting the brake pause before the fix. Afterwards,
    I repeated the earlier tests and the A0B fix is quite effective. I have graphs
    showing the before and after results ... if you are interested.

    Bob Wilson
  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,810
    This is starting to snowball and we've been down this "diesel vs hybrid" road before.

    BEFORE it gets personal and out of hand, let's all pull back a bit and realize that changing the other guy's mind isn't very likely. I like a good debate as much as anyone, so lets keep it at that level and avoid going after each other... thanks!

    PFFlyer@Edmunds

    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

  • bwilson4webbwilson4web Posts: 80
    edited February 2010
    Is there any possibility of relocating the thread to a TDI forum?

    After all, those pushy Prius advocates will no doubt head right over there ... NOT!

    Bob Wilson
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,691
    edited February 2010
    It is linked to the diesel forum and the Golf links. We have had Prius people beating us down in those threads since the Prius was first announced 10 years ago. You are a mild diesel hater debater compared to John1701. Its all fun.

    PS
    This has been around a while:

    http://vlane.com/comparison/2118
  • You suggested:

    "It is linked to the diesel forum and the Golf links. We have had Prius people beating us down in those threads since the Prius was first announced 10 years ago."

    I went to those forums and didn't see the same title for a thread.

    You metioned:

    "You are a mild diesel hater debater compared to John1701."

    I've met John1701 in person and other forums and he is a nice guy. The funny thing is I came here to make sure folks had the latest facts and data about A0B, the brake pause. I typically don't go looking for TDI forums to 'spin them up.'

    Bob Wilson
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    edited February 2010
    Big discounts on the Prius when they are removed from the no sell list.

    First, they are available for sale or lease NOW. As Bob mentioned, it takes very little time to apply the software fix for the brakes.

    Second, I don't understand something. A few posts ago you talked about how much more expensive the Prius is compared to the Golf TDI. But now you talk about "big discounts" on the Prius. How big are they? $1000? $2000? More?

    Golf TDI 5-door with AT: $24,610 MSRP including destination.

    You noted that VW dealers are not discounting the Golf TDI, so let's assume that is the price.

    Prius 5-door with "AT" (more like CVT): $23,550 MSRP

    So for comparable base models, the Prius is more than $1000 less than the TDI looking at MSRPs. But after applying the "big discounts" you mentioned, now the base Prius is thousands less than the base TDI.

    As for adding a moonroof, the Prius III with moonroof is $28,380 MSRP. But that car includes navigation and Bluetooth. A comparably equipped 5-door Golf TDI lists at $27,559. Since there are no discounts, that is the price. Now apply the "big discounts" available on the Prius, and it will cost less than the Golf. Plus the Prius will have that nifty solar-powered moonroof with the ventilator fan and remote AC control. :)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,691
    Prius 5-door with "AT" (more like CVT): $23,550 MSRP

    Try to find a stripped Prius. Not many in CA. Even with discounts the price average is $27k to $32k. Plus TTL which is over $3000. Add $3000 more for the NAV moonroof option. You will have a hard time getting out of a Toyota dealer in CA with a Prius for less than $30k cash. It will be easier with the current debacle going on at Toyota. Should I say it is a buyers market for the risk takers. :shades:

    Finding a Prius is easy. First dealer in San Diego I pulled up has 60 in stock. If you want a Golf TDI you will have to wait and pay MSRP. That is against all my principles. So I will keep what I have till I find what I want at the price I want to pay.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,691
    I've met John1701 in person and other forums and he is a nice guy.

    No one says he is not a nice guy. He just loves hybrids and hates diesel cars. So we have been debating in the diesel forums for at least 7 years. I have come to really enjoy driving diesel vehicles and am frustrated with the obstacles put up by the regulators that are beholden to the oil companies. My experience with hybrids having owned one is far from positive.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Golf TDI MSRP starts at $23,104. And that is before the tax credit is considered.

    $24,610 is with optional DSG and is for the 4 door.

    Unfortunately, Prius is not available in a 2 door.

    Unfortunately, Prius is not available with a manual transmission.

    Unfortunately, maintenance is not included with Prius.

    I did a search on Autotrader and found several new 2010 Prius for sale for $21,802.
    Prius is less cost than Golf TDI.

    Sometimes, cheaper is not better.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,632
    Try to find a stripped Prius.

    The closest dealer to me had eight as of last Saturday. But MN is not CA... thankfully.

    Add $3000 more for the NAV moonroof option.


    I did. As I explained, Prius is less expensive than the Golf TDI even with those options, after we apply the "big discounts" you say are available on the Prius now.

    BTW, I just did a search of new Priuses within 100 miles of 90210 and there were 651. Nearly 100 of those were base models, under $24k. Nearly 150 were under $25k. So it appears there's quite a few of "stripped" Prius available in CA, at least in SoCal.
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