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Toyota Prius vs VW Golf TDI

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  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    The new Toyotas that come with the EJ extra ( the JBL sound system ) also have XM/Sirius already installed and operable with a 90 day trial. This option also includes Bluetooth, the 6 CD changer and more speakers. Soon it will also include a USB port in addition to the AUX input.

    In the Prius this begins to be standard equipment with the Prius III ( 1225 ). The Prius II ( 1223 ) has no options and nothing can be added except a few accessories.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    $25000...

    Your choice
    1. Leather and heated seats plus JBL ( see above )
    2. Cloth, JBL and Navigation ( my choice )

    Oh, 50+ mpg City or Highway
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    Never again for Toyota NAV. Big waste of money. Not equal to a $100 hand held. In fact my Sequoia NAV has turned me off on OEM units from any maker. I would rather buy one of the latest from Pioneer. The BMW unit I played with had its own issues. No thank you.

    As far as the Prius, it is what it is. 50 MPG is not the most important feature when buying a car. In fact it is probably somewhere down about 6-7 on my list. It will never handle like a VW Golf. And it will never be as comfortable as a large SUV out on the open road.
  • Nothing against diesels but I do have a bone to pick with VWs. Have you heard that there is an issue with the transmissions in some of the newer models? Yes... it goes into neutral and can cause serious injury or death. That's why I stay away from a company that can build a nice interior but their electronics are crap. Look up the repair incidents on any site and you'll see. Especially look at truedelta as that is a metric contributed to by actual owner's true world experiences. You do seem to contradict yourself as it seems you said you considered the Prius. The complexity issue is a dumb excuse. The DSG transmission has more parts than a regular tranny and adds unneeded complexity to an already lousy car (repair wise that is). The fact remains that the Prius has proven to be extremely reliable and it irks you that you are not part of that group of people enjoying it. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
  • Hope you enjoy paying the premium price on diesel fuel in the winter. Especially if it is a cold winter. Last year there was quite a disparity though now in my part of the country they are on parity. The Prius still seems to be in high demand and the dealers are gouging again. The media doesn't seem to be focusing on diesels because so few Americans want them even though they've cleaned up their act. Yes, diesels will be popular with about .0002% of the US population. LOL!!!
  • I have had a few VWs (late 90's). Seats were HORRIBLE. I'll take my Prius any day over a VW. Interesting how the vocal few here don't have problems like so many other VW owners. VW is a very very minor player in the states compared to Toyota, Honda etc. People want to buy reliable cars and VW just does not deliver and is at the bottom of the basement. For me, I'll use my Prius for commuting and my soon to be delivered Camaro for weekends. It appears now that car manufacturers are either embracing hybrids or EV. There is very little talk about diesels because they won't sell in the volumes needed. Honda was going to bring a diesel over but shelved that. I also think Hyundai was talking about it but no news.
  • I'd agree. So many people have bought the Prius that says a lot for the styling. As for the Golf. Can we say boooring!!! It looks like it still is in the 80's!!!! The Jetta looks like a Corolla. No styling whatsoever. Sheeesh!!!
  • To me silence is golden. The diesel vehicles are very noisy and clattery at idle (yeah even the new ones). That's the beauty of my hybrid. When I come to a stop at a light there is total silence except for my music. If I happen to pull up to a light with my window open and there is a diesel next to me, I sure know it. The new ones are much quieter but their ubiquitous clatter is fairly prominent. Way too much NVH at idle too. I test drove one a few years ago and my butt was vibrating even 1/2 hour after the drive. I was also turned off by the maintenance requirements. I've had my Prius for nearly six years and 72000 miles. Bullet proof!!! As to mileage. The Prius will get better mileage than the Golf diesel. That test has been done many times. Let's set the record straight there regarding a previous post on that topic.

    P.S. I sure hope my new Camaro gives me good service like my Prius has. Two different animals though. I got the six and not the 8.
  • Jpeters (prius guy)

    5 posts in a row. Prius's are good cars. We get it. Move along please.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    If you think the Jetta (and Golf) have "no styling whatsoever", you probably really like the styling of the Aztec. The more the better, right? ;)

    The Jetta is a little old now and will be replaced soon. The Corolla probably wishes it looked like the Jetta. The Golf has smooth and classic styling that has evolved over the years. As I noted, it's much different than the Prius but I find both attractive. The Rabbit/Golf/Rabbit/Golf's styling has held up over time. That tends to happen with cars with simpler lines.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    I think we get the picture. You feel as strongly about the attributes of the Prius as I do about the attributes of the Golf TDI. We obviously have different ideas of what is important in a vehicle. You seem to like sitting in stop and go traffic listening to music. The Prius is a decent vehicle for sitting still in traffic. Though less than comfortable seats. My preference is a drive on Hwy 79 and making the loop either out 78 to the desert or taking the Sunrise Hwy up through the mountains. The VW TDIs in their many forms are much more pleasurable driving experience in that setting. For those that are relegated to flat land urban driving. The Prius is probably fine. Just not my cup of tea.

    In October of 2007 when we bought the Sequoia the dealer had plenty of Prius and Highlander hybrids for sale. All below invoice. If I had any desire to own a Prius I could have bought two for the cash I spent on the Sequoia.

    The bugs in the new DSG are being fixed. The DSG is the most efficient automatic transmission design currently available. At times I would prefer a manual. My wife likes automatic. So it is both. Something the Prius has never offered.

    If I can get a decent deal on a Golf TDI when they arrive I will think of you stuck in traffic with your Prius as I am motoring in the back country of San Diego. Of course I will have about 150 more miles of range in my TDI before I have to refuel. I still remember those 700 mile jaunts before refueling in my Passat TDI. Not smelling that nasty carcinogenic unleaded is worth the price of a diesel vehicle.

    PS
    Honda was going to bring a diesel over but shelved that.

    Sadly the Honda diesel failed to meet the ultra strict CARB rules for diesel emissions. So Honda has no midsized vehicle to compete with the Camry and Fusion Hybrids.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    I've had my Prius for nearly six years and 72000 miles. Bullet proof!!!

    I think your memory is selective. I recall 100s of people with Prius stalling at high speed in traffic. Some causing injury accidents. The DSG has also had problems in its first go around. I am looking at the NHTSA ODI complaints and do not find a single accident caused by the transmission failing. I am surprised you were not one of the hundreds of complaints filed with the ODI on the 2004 Prius. It was more like riddled with bullets, not bullet proof. The complaints on the Prius go from Airbags to Vehicle speed control and visibility. Look for yourself. The Prius has benefited from Media protection. And anyone complaining here on Edmund's is run off the forum by zealots.

    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/results.cfm
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > I recall 100s of people with Prius stalling at high speed in traffic. Some causing injury accidents.

    There were only 33 reports filed with NHTSA and none resulted in an accident.
    .
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    I have responded to the zealots so many times it is getting old. Just look up the 2004 Prius on the ODI website. There are 93 failures under the category electrical system alone with several accidents caused by Prius malfunctions. There are 47 categories of failures of just about every component on the Prius. You know it is a fact as you go over the problems with a fine tooth comb and try intimidating those that report problems they have. Yes you would qualify as a Hybrid Zealot.

    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/results.cfm

    So far I cannot find a single failure for the 2010 Golf TDI. Pretty good for a first year offering. :shades:
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    Don't try changing the topic. You specifically brought up "stalling" and claimed "100s".

    Also, that link returns an error.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Have you heard that there is an issue with the transmissions in some of the newer models? Yes... it goes into neutral and can cause serious injury or death. That's why I stay away from a company that can build a nice interior but their electronics are crap.
    Toyota Dangerous Transmission

    Stay away from dangerous Toyota is good advice for jpeters1970.

    Knowledgeable auto enthusiasts like the staff at Edmunds appreciate Volkswagen TDI. For people who believe fun is bad for your health there is the Toyota Prius, the cure for automotive fun.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Hope you enjoy paying the premium price on diesel fuel in the winter.

    Don't enjoy your spiteful comments.

    Diesel, Hybrid, Propane, Natural Gas, Electric, Hydrogen are welcome energy alternatives for the future.

    It is a sad reality that some hybrid owners believe in eliminating choice. Kind of like CARB. They choose hate.

    Change

    Honda is doing something to change hate into good.

    Here is a song for jpeters1970 in the key of grrr
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    People want to buy reliable cars and VW just does not deliver and is at the bottom of the basement

    Does your statement have any meaning in terms of real world data? Quantify the difference in reliability between a VW TDI and a Toyota Prius.

    You have not posted one relevant quantifiable fact about reliability of Prius or TDI.

    JD Power data has shown that the difference between Toyota reliability and VW is 1.3 problems per vehicle.

    Consumer Reports has listed both Jetta and Golf TDI as recommended and same with Prius. CR has listed reliability of Jetta TDI as better than average.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    jpeters1970 -I have had a few VWs (late 90's). Seats were HORRIBLE. I'll take my Prius any day over a VW. Interesting how the vocal few here don't have problems like so many other VW owners.

    quote Edmunds from Inside Line long term test of Jetta TDI -The Jetta does have a near flawless seating position. But I'm not surprised, VW has always done this right. For decades the company has made it a priority.

    For as long as I can remember nearly every VW (including our long-term Jetta TDI) has had a tilt and telescopic steering wheel, a height adjustable driver's seat and infinite seatback rack adjustment. VW also puts the pedals and shifter where they should be. This is one of the reasons I now own my second Passat wagon.

    If you can't get comfortble in our Jetta, it's your body, not the car. It's all so right, it makes me shake my head and wonder why more car companies don't just copy it all.
    Scott Oldham, Inside Line Editor in Chief

    Great Seating VW TDI
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    I did not change the subject Toyota Prius Stalling is the issue. They are not all listed under one complaint topic or one MY.

    CNN reported, "A software problem is causing some Toyota Prius gas-electric hybrid cars to stall or shut down while driving at highway speeds." A Toyota press release states:

    Approximately 75,000 2004 and 2005 model year Prius vehicles may be affected by this condition.


    You are the one wanting to change the subject. No one is saying any car is perfect. The previous poster made a bold claim concerning VW DSG and bullet proof Prius. Nothing was substantiated. Just an opinion. Same as you have done. I probably test drove the first Prius before any of the current crop of hybrid zealots. I know it was one of the first two in San Diego. I thought it was kind of cool until I really looked into it. After a couple electric only starts from a stop light and the newness wears off and the reality sets in. It is simply NOT a drivers car. It is mediocre transportation.
  • I have a history with both vehicles. Owned a 99 VW Bug Diesel. Loved it until electrical gremlins started popping up (sold it in two years due to the problems). Got great fuel mileage (high 30's mixed). Now I currently have a 2005 Prius and and a 2007 Jetta TDI. Jetta was for me and Prius for the wife. The Jetta has been relatively trouble free but this will be the last VW for me (dealer service stinks). We switched and now I drive the Prius and the wife drives the Jetta. My commute is further and since I get better mileage we decided to switch. Both are decent vehicles but my Prius has been trouble free. Never had such a more reliable vehicle.

    I see passion for both of these cars and I kinda have to laugh at the juvenile banter back and forth between these forum participants. Its only a damn car. Get over it!!
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > Some causing injury accidents.

    Of the extremely small number that actually stalled, where's there a report to support that?

    Remember, when the engine cuts out, you still have a 50kW electric motor providing propulsion and a battery-pack powering everything. So, it's not like driving cannot continue.
    .
  • Have to agree with you on that John. Bringing up old history from six years ago show how desperate these diesel addicts are. Actually, diesel would be nice if they would design one to work like a hybrid. I just don't know how the start/stop cycle would work as diesels work quite differently than the Atkinson cycle gassers. So now I'll just glide along in my reliable space pod, listen to XM and enjoy the sound of silence at the stop lights during my commute. Much better than shake, rattle and ....um never mind,,, y'all get what I'm talking about. NVH.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    I see passion for both of these cars and I kinda have to laugh at the juvenile banter back and forth between these forum participants. Its only a damn car. Get over it!!

    Welcome to the forum. Your insight is most appreciated. Poor dealer service is a big turn-off. Here in San Diego we have 11 Toyota dealers. I have only dealt with two on the service level. Both were incompetent. By contrast Drew Ford/VW has been great to deal with for both Ford and VW since the first car I bought from them in 1986. I have had them service both Ford and the VW Passat TDI and they proved most competent and reasonably priced. So my experience with Toyota and Lexus dealers has been just the opposite of yours.

    The diesel vs hybrid rivalry has existed here at Edmund's since about 2003. My question to you is what type driving do you do? Are there any mountains in your commutes? Or winding roads with a lot of up and down hills? If you take a Sunday drive out in the country, which would be your choice to drive?

    If I based my vehicle purchases on the dealers here in San Diego, I would never buy another Toyota or Lexus.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    Just so those here know what the World thinks of the New Golf. It was awarded THE car of the year award. You can look through the archives. I don't think you will see the Prius even in the running. It requires a superior vehicle to be chosen for this prestigious award.

    http://www.wcoty.com/media/?release=45&year=2009
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    Maybe for the 2010 award, the 2010 Prius will be in the running. This was the 2009 World COTY award. The Prius that was eligible for that award was a six-year-old model. I'm not surprised it wasn't considered. The Golf was a new design.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,962
    You are right the Prius is in the running for 2010. If the Prius wins it will make for a good debate with the 2009 vs the 2010 car of the year titles.
  • I believe that award was bestowed (or some type of award) back in 2004 to the Prius. For 2010 the Prius really evolved but didn't change too much. Just because an award was given to a car does not mean it is golden. Anyone remember the Renault Alliance? Need I say more? The Golf may be a fine automobile if you want to be very familiar with the service bay at your nearest dealer. Sales figures don't lie. The Prius is a hit whereas the Golf is just an also ran in the US market sought after by a very niche clientele.
  • The reason the Golf sells is because it is small, it is a hatch and thats what Europeans like. If anyone is arrogant it is you because you seem to have a penchant for knocking the Prius. Sales figures in the US are what I go by as that is the metric that matters most. I don't care what people drive abroad. I care what goes on in this country with respect to the auto industry. It is a shame that you can't admit that hybrids and EVs are the wave of the future. The Toyota hybrid system is so advanced that Nissan and Ford have licensed the technology in their hybrids. Where is VW on that horizon? No where. They will never , ever sell their cars in the numbers that even come close to what Toyota or Honda are selling. Americans want reliable vehicles and that is why they stay away from VWs. Oh, lastly I see you have an old Lexus (aka Toyota with a higher education). 1990 right? I'd like to see if a 1990 VW would hold a candle to your Lexus. LOL
  • Geez folks, there are positive aspects about both cars. Why can't we just get along? :)
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