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  • cd68cd68 Posts: 11
    I'm please that Subaru will now offer the Legacy with a 3.0 non-Limited model. I noticed, however, that the 3.0 does not have the Bilstein sport suspension. It's only on the 3.0 Limited. I'm curious what the difference is between the standard suspension and the sport suspension? How noticeable is the difference while driving? Is it possible to retrofit the sport suspension to the standard 3.0 model? Thanks for any feedback.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    You can retro fit it, however its not simply the bilstien suspension. There are lighter aluminum control arms and some other bits I think that differentiate the Spec B and 3.0R v. the non Spec B and 3.0R models.

    I have an 05 LGT non-limited and on-track it's very well behaved but I have a lot more body roll than I'd like. I'm currently looking at upgrades for it to make it more track worthy since I just sold my Subaru race car and I'll need something to take to the track. Here is a list of items I'm looking to do to bring it up to spec:

    Koni Sport Struts
    Whiteline Sway Bars
    Downpipe of some sort
    Uppipe of some sort
    Cobb Accessport
    Hawk HP+ Pads

    I already have:
    SPT Cat-back exhaust
    Wider rims with 235-45-17 Tires
    Summer Tires Currently Yokohama Advan 048s, may be switching to Pole Position RE01Rs next time around.

    Other than that my car should be pretty well setup for doing HPDE, Time Trials and lots of fun on the street. I'm actually going to be entering into a One-Lap of America type competition (just shorter) later this year called the Southern Sprints. We'll see how well the car does at that.

    -mike
  • cd68cd68 Posts: 11
    Thanks for your reply. Wow - it does seem like there's more to the retrofit than I originally thought. From a price standpoint, is it worth doing the retrofit, or is it better to just purchase the Limited model that has the sport suspension?

    The problem is that I much prefer the cloth interior to leather - especially living in hot and sunny California, so that's why I was thinking the 3.0 would be preferred to the 3.0 Limited.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I'll be honest, if you aren't planning on tracking the car and even if you are, unless you have a lot of experience (I'm an experienced racer and track instructor) you won't notice the difference between the stock suspension and the "sport" one on the 3.0R/Spec B

    If you are experienced, like I am, then even the stuff in the 3.0R/Spec B suspension won't be enough for you to not tinker with it. The only reason to get the Spec B I would say is the 6MT trans, mechanical rear diffy, and the VDC.

    So I'd say go for the non-limited (that's what I have) and then you can slowly build up if you feel you need it.

    -mike
  • cd68cd68 Posts: 11
    Mike - nope, I'm definitely not experienced here. Thanks very much for your comments. The standard 3.0 should be just what I'm looking for. Hopefully they'll start showing up at the dealerships pretty soon.
  • I am seriously considering an '09 Legacy Wagon or Outback but am very concerned about some of the issues I am seeing about '06+ models. Any Sube owners wanna chime in? I presently own a GM SUV and hav no interest in bringing my vehicle to the dealer for warranty issues every other month as I have for the last 3 years!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Keep in mind that people seek out boards like these to report problems and try to find solutions.

    The Legacy is generally very reliable, far better than average.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yup I have an 05 LGT Wagon 5MT, no issues to speak of at 59k miles.

    -mike
  • jay_24jay_24 Posts: 536
    We have a 2001 Outback and a 2003 Chevy Tahoe(bought used in 2004). The Outback has been in the shop twice for fixes beyond normal maint. If I recall each was for a sensor. I currently have 130K on the Outback. The Tahoe has been in the shop twice. Once for automatic locks and another for a paint warranty issue. Tahoe has 75K on it.

    General maintainance for the Tahoe has been less.
    I enjoy filling the Outback with gas more than the Tahoe, since I typically get 28mpg with the outback vs.19 with the Tahoe. (highway miles)

    --jay
  • pilot1226pilot1226 Posts: 165
    Does the 2009 Sube Legacy Limited come with Fog Lights? I used Edmund's website for a pricing report, but it seems like in the "Accessories" there's no option for fog lights, which is something I'd like to have.

    In other news, talking with a dealer now to make a deal w/ pickup for next week sometime for a Limited.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I think the LTDs all come with foglights (hence no option for them) but any OEM fogs are generally useless in my opinion.

    -mike
  • pilot1226pilot1226 Posts: 165
    Yeah, you're right. Looking forward to those heated seats and mirrors though. Thanks for the heads up. Got a quote from a dealer for about a 3.9% apr and invoice pricing. I'll post some pictures in a few days, probably will arrange pickup for next Monday or Tuesday.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Cool!

    Good luck with it. If you need tint or clear-bra for it let me know I have a top notch installer that I'm good friends with.

    -mike
  • If you're thinking of buying an Outback, I would strongly suggest that you rent one first. I recently purchased an 08 O/B LTD W/VDC and the car has way too many rattles - it's driving me crazy and ruining an otherwise good car. This is my 4th Subie and I'm not that happy with it. Rattles may not sound like a big problem but it horrible especially if you do lots of driving like me.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Perhaps it's just your car and not ALL of them. This generation of Legacy is known for it's fit and finish and lack of rattles.

    -mike
  • Yes, I'm sure not all of them have rattles, but because this problem is so bothersome, I've been doing tons of reading about this and many Outbacks (not sure about the Legacy) are plagued with various rattles that are hard to diagnose. This has also been the case withe the '09 Forester. My neighbor owns an '05 Outback 2.5i and she has the same problem. With my O/B, the sunroof rattles from time to time and I'm also getting a rattle from somewhere in the rear cargo area - all the time - argh! The dealer wanted to rip out the entire headliner to try to find the problem. Not sure I want them taking apart my new car.
  • pilot1226pilot1226 Posts: 165
    Pickup on my 2009 Obsidian Black Legacy 2.5 Limited is Tuesday ;) Hooray!
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,269
    Yep, the new generation is awful with rattles. I had an '07 and an '08 and both had many rattles, and the same ones. In comparison, I recently bought a '98 Ford Escort, with 108,000 miles, for $800, and it has one rattle. How's that for irony? :P

    The good thing is that I was able to get the rattles sorted out on both Outbacks, but it took many visits to the dealer and more than a little insistence. I basically had to diagnose it for them, but hey, at least the new owners can enjoy their fantastic machines rattle-free!

    I will still buy another Subaru, maybe they will even have their fit issues worked out by then....
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats, take pics when you take delivery.

    I think that renting is not a solution, but I do think a long test drive is a good idea. Turn off the radio and drive around for a good bit.

    My van had a rattle but it turned out to be a coin holder I have that sits in one of the cup holders. I hate carrying around change, though, so I'll have to make a point of spending that change!
  • pilot1226pilot1226 Posts: 165
    Invest it! In time, it'll pay for your next Subaru! (I'm serious, I used to throw change into a giant Deer Park water container and recently cashed it all in, cha-ching!)

    If anyone was interested in a price, the out the door price, including tax, destination, and every single other fee (registration, titling, etc.) was $26,300.

    MSRP is $25,860 w/ Destination
    Invoice is $24,337 w/ Destination

    I didn't have a trade-in, so I had to pay full tax on the amount. Doing quick anti-math, 93% of 26,300 is $24,459 (NJ Tax is 7%), so we're looking pretty good there, including fees.

    I saw an itemized sheet for the "invoice" pricing from a few dealers, funny that they give you a full tank of gas on the way out but charge you $9 per gallon for the courtesy and another $15 on top for the labor to put gas in the car. Prices varied slightly from dealer to dealer, but the charge was there on all of them.
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