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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Back then gas was (almost) free.

    EPA revised and lowered the numbers, so the 2003 Prius numbers would be a lot lower today.

    As for the Passat TDI vs. TCH, head to head CR got better fuel economy in the quicker TCH. They didn't go out on a diesel-favoring highway drive, but it would be nice to see that couple try it.

    Don't take a Camry, though, take a new Avalon hybrid. Why? Because it has a bigger fuel tank, so it could actually try to beat the Passat's record, which was for total distance on one tank, not observed MPG. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited November 2012
    PS If I mention it, let me verify...

    Yeah, 2003 Prius would be rated 42/41 under today's methodology, 41 mpg EPA combined.

    Observed is 45.4 mpg (above the 42-45 max you claimed) so the truth is some where in the middle.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,836
    how about soon comparing the cruze diesel with your favorite gas-powered cruze model? early ruminations about the selected diesel engine do not seem favorable. until it's actually in a showroom i can't believe it will actually be offered...
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    until it's actually in a showroom i can't believe it will actually be offered..

    It was supposed to be here by now according to early reports. Maybe they are having trouble getting it past the tough EPA/CARB RULES. Honda could not make their fine diesel engine pass muster. GM should be able to fudge being owned by the Federal Government.

    GM tight-lipped regarding diesel, next-gen Chevy Cruze

    http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/2012/08/gm_tight-lipped_regarding_dies.html
  • So, we poor Europeans gets the Cruze in gasser and diesel formats............Saloon, Hatch and Estate but the home country may not get the diesel ?

    Something seriously wrong with the world.

    Cruze The Estate
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Something seriously wrong with the world.

    Yes, that's what I thought when I saw X3 2.0d's and 2.5d's coming off the assembly line in Spartanburg, South Carolina only to be shipped to everywhere else in the world except the US. And it really got my blood boiling to hear that X5's with the M-diesel engines were only 500 feet away from where I was standing, but couldn't be acquired at any price here. :mad:

    Although I am pleased that I can pick up a new Porsche Boxster S or 911 shipped from Germany for quite a bit less (I think) than you have to pay over in Europe. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited November 2012
    It's just crazy.

    Cruze wagon is pretty handsome, and I bet they'd be discounted enough to be a lot cheaper than a TDI Jetta SW.

    How much better is the MPG in Europe? Usually it's between 20 and 40%, but I wonder if the Cruze Eco slims down that gain?
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,490
    Not only only does mpg suffer add to that power and torque. I know for a fact the 2003 TDI got 2 mpg better (4%) than its US version (50mpg). Power and torque were BETTER @ 100/110 hp/177# ft to 90 hp/155.
  • Absolutely correct on the Porsche pricing front.............and similar for other marques. If I could afford new Porkers I doubt I'd be seriously concerned, but I can't so I'm utterly unconcerned. However, I think your VW pricing is very competitive vs Europe. Likewise pricing for the Honda CR-V, which is a real bummer as I believe yours are built in the same factory, (Swindon, UK), as ours. Had that discussion with a friend in TX and he was staggered to find out it was a UK-built car.

    On the plus side, of course, we do have a very fine selection of small/medium cars/engines that never see tarmac over your way. Swings and roundabouts, I guess. Doubt you'll ever see Skodas for sale as they are concentrating really hard on China, (surprise). Here in Europe they have the best reputation of any of the VW Group marques.........and they use all shared components dressed in different party frocks. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Is that due to CARB emissions or something? Must be de-tuned.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/28/la-display-confirms-diesel-mazda6-for-us/

    173 horsepower and a magical 310 pound-feet of torque

    From 2.2 liters, not bad.

    Their other SkyActiv models have headers and have focused on keeping weight in check, so those numbers sound promising.

    I test drove a CX5 with my sister, and that seems like the perfect engine for that currently underpowered vehicle.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,917
    edited November 2012
    Hmm...Mazda 5 with a hollowed out interior and a diesel...bike hauler?

    Mazda 6 wagon diesel would also be a good car, maybe not a bike hauler, roof too low.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    OMG could there actually be a car we both want? LOL

    I deemed the 5 a tad small for me, but it was the only van you could get with a manual so I did sample one.

    With the engine above it could be the ideal middle, enough power yet still plenty efficient. Good room but not big or heavy. Torque and range to please anyone.

    A SkyActiv-D Mazda5 may be good enough to replace BOTH my city and travel/weekend cars. :shades:
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,269
    Dang... that is a TALL engine! How do they fit that under the hood of a sedan? :surprise:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Especially one with FWD.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,917
    I'd consider something like that for a hauler. Mileage would probably be amazing too, as the vehicle itself is pretty light. Really couldn't lose.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    What next, peace in the middle east? ;)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    Only $100 more than the 2.0L Turbo Premium Gas Hog. For me a no brainer. For a street racer get the Gas Turbo.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Is the TFSI a gas hog?

    They do want premium fuel, though.

    Ford & Hyundai's turbos run OK with regular fuel.
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