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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    Must be the dash planter...

    Plus chics still go for cute over practical...I continue to read that the Beetle is basically a disaster. Amazing how two dif models under the same brand can be so different in reliability/longevity potential. Like GM's Equinox, vs a full-sized Buick.. one is a disaster..the other sorta delivers..
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,267
    edited February 2013
    still go for cute over practical

    Yes, and that includes the "falling in love" aspect. I know several female owners who admit they feel they paid more for a car than they should have, but they justify it (all of them) by saying, "but, I fell in love with the car!"

    I briefly looked at the Tiguan, but the pricing just doesn't make it competitive with the rest of the segment. I didn't even bother trying to drive one simply due to that aspect. Basically, it didn't make it through the first round of the Open.

    For these gals, perhaps that is not such a factor... ?
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,348
    Funny enough, I think it would be a good fit for my wife. She thinks a CRV is too big but wants something tall (she tweaked her back a few years ago). I've never driven a Tiguan, but have sat in one and was impressed with the passenger accommodations. Better rear seat room than my RDX. We will be looking in the summer, maybe at this, the CX5 the Crosstrek and perhaps the Countryman. I guess there's that new little Buick thing too. GLK and the X1 are out, she didn't like them, and its her car, so...
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Plus chics still go for cute over practical...I continue to read that the Beetle is basically a disaster.

    The new Beetle sold more than the Golf last month. Hard to find VW projections for the Beetle. They need to increase the supply of TDIs. I can see no earthly reason to buy a VW gasser. Seems such a waste of money. It looks like Car n Driver did pretty well with their test of the newest Beetle TDI.

    In the modern Beetle, pairing VW’s torquey 2.0-liter turbo-diesel with a six-speed manual delivers EPA-assessed mpg numbers of 28 mpg in the urbs, 41 on the open road. (The DSG automatic sacrifices 3 mpg on the highway.) We actually did a better than either figure, recording a whopping 45 mpg on a driving diet that included some suburban streets and a lot of country roads.

    This is rare for us; we have a tendency to underperform in terms of EPA forecasts.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,475
    There are precious few cars that would tempt me to go back to gassers.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,267
    I can see no earthly reason to buy a VW gasser.

    Agreed with you on that! TDI is what VW really has going for them, I think. In the gasoline realm, the only list I can see that they top (per segment) is price. With the TDI models, which have a modest premium over their gasoline counterparts, there's competitive value vs. other makes.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,475
    edited February 2013
    I am not sure what you mean from a defacto POV. So for example, IF 21% of each year's VW's sold (2009,2010,2011,2012) are TDI's, it would seem the majority see the gasser VW as the overwhelming choice (79%). They have VOTED with their wallets. One current exception is the JSW (Jetta Sport Wagon, 2009.2010,2011,2012) where the TDI percentages I have read in more than once place are consistently 80% +.

    But then on the other side, there are precious few other oems that offer the range of TDI models (albeit many using the same engine) as VW. So in that sense the % of VW's being TDI's might be reflective of the LACK of (or some other reasons) TDI's over the broad range of OEMS.

    In my own case for two subsequent diesels, I selected VW's despite having other choices BMW/ MB / VW and BMW/MB/VW. I would not have selected the 2003 Jetta, if not for the diesel option. I do have to say that in all three cases AND over a span of 10/11 years, VW really made price/performance ratio considerations VERY integral. Any to all others considered would NOT go the extra mile as VW.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,267
    edited February 2013
    I was looking at the choice of a VW, from a cost/value perspective, versus other makes in the same segment. To me, the gasoline versions are typically more expensive than other makes and yet do not offer any clear advantages while the diesel versions of the same model do have a clear advantage (fuel economy among them).

    Basically the same thing you stated in your closing paragraph. If not for the diesel option, you would not have selected the '03 Jetta above the other choices available to you at the time.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,475
    edited February 2013
    Your first paragraph could very well be. When shopping for an 04 TDI automatic () I bypassed the 2004 Jetta A/T as it cost more (1,100 extra for A/T) and offered no mpg advantage and some other reasons. I was just fine with far lesser quality in a 04 gasser, even as I am still very happy with it, 10 years later and hitting 150,000 miles (rest of the family STILL HATES it).

    Your second paragraph would indicate we agree on the diesel portion. But that the same time, I probably would not go for gassers on the wider vehicle choices, i.e., for as good as both MB and BMW gasser engines ARE.
  • KCRam@EdmundsKCRam@Edmunds Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,495
    the spread for me, being the owner of a car requiring premium fuel, is only .10 cents a gallon.
    So with my car getting 25 mpg and say a Golf getting 40, I'd be 'saving' $800 a year.
    I'm looking for something like $2000 a year savings to really tempt me to pull the trigger here.


    One of the full-menu stations near me (Hess, not an off-brand) would be able to make you switch...

    Regular Unleaded $3.599
    Midgrade: $3.799
    Premium: $3.939
    Diesel: $3.979

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,475
    edited February 2013
    Even with that spread, RUG is 44.7% more per mile driven. ;) (25 mpg vs 40 mpg)
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,475
    edited February 2013
    In the context in which you present the information, I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that diesel is a "guy thing"? NONE of the "guy" cars are anywhere close to diesel (no diesel option).

    Anecdotally, the three of four "women" drivers fight over driiving the DIESELS and not the gassers? When I (male driver) wanted to get a VW NB TDI, those same women drivers made it clear that I knew they knew it was a "chick" car. ;)
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,910
    edited February 2013
    Someone wondered why Tiguan TDIs weren't selling. I was curious if gender played a role since it comes in a diesel flavor. Still curious about who's buying diesel Bugs since they aren't selling to guys overall. A lot of those "guy trucks" come in diesel models. I don't know if Polk or other outfits keep track of stuff like this.

    It was a question, not a conclusion. :shades:

    I would think that more men in the US would be willing to consider a diesel than women, but who knows. Good research project for you for the weekend, since you've already got a good start in your own household. :D
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,475
    Of those I know in the "mink and manure set," those drivers tow horses and they are predominately women driving those Ford/GM/Chysler turbo diesel rigs. One of those blondes drives a hay truck when she helps to harvest her fams hay, but that is another story and a tractor trailer rig at that. :blush:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Happy wife, happy life. Show her the menu but let her choose.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Someone wondered why Tiguan TDIs weren't selling.

    Maybe because we don't get them in the USA? I think it is hard to determine gender on vehicle purchases. My wife's granddaughter bought a VW Sportswagen TDI last year. She loves the mileage but finds it too small with two kids in car seats. So she is back driving her 4Runner. Her husband drives the VW now. They want to buy my Sequoia as it is 4X4 and they make a lot of trips to Tahoe where his parents live. Her 4Runner is 2 wheel drive. I would say most women with children like SUVs and Mini vans and the type fuel is irrelevant.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,910
    lol, we had plenty of those in Boise too, although Hummers were popular too.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,475
    edited February 2013
    CA has a pretty goofy (to those driving cars in 24/7 winter conditions) but not to a lot of clueless CA seasonal winter drivers. MTN chain controls point personnel let 4WD vehicles go in all but the most extreme snow ice conditions. When a snow plow with road accurate GPS has issues, you would agree one really does not want to be in that soup anyways. They seem to even make cars with snow tires chain up, even as most cars are really not designed with chains in mind. So the second a chain or a cable gets "loose" you are looking at easily 1,000 in body/fender damage.

    So in effect if one has reason to be in winter conditions, defacto it only makes sense to have a 4wd cub/suv/pu.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    For anyone who lives with winter seasons and hills, it's hard to believe anyone would invest the $ needed to get into a late model 4 Runner, and not get AWD..
    In fact, was not the '4' in 4 Runner signifying it's 4x4 drive capability? In this case, buying a RWD 4 Runner is almost blasphemous..

    Yet I had a friend who had a Jeep Cherokee that was also only 2WD. A TWO wheel drive JEEP??? Again...even more blasphemous..
    And was suitably constantly stuck with it..trying to do what AWD SUV's do..

    When trying to resell those types of vehicles, I liken them to the value of a Cadillac or Lincoln without factory A/C back in the 60's or 70's. Some car lots called them 'pigs'. Aberrant one-offs I say..
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    In fact, was not the '4' in 4 Runner signifying it's 4x4 drive capability? In this case, buying a RWD 4 Runner is almost blasphemous.

    I was very surprised her 4Runner was 2WD. It is So CA we live in. She has had it a long time. I think it is a 98 or 99 model 4Runner. It was only an issue this last Christmas when they went to Tahoe. She took her mom's LX470. An SUV without 4WD is not worth much in my opinion. And resale is usually much less than with 4WD.
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