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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    edited March 2013
    ..."and very sensitive fuel delivery systems. "...

    "I didn't see shifty say anything about HPFP systems having issues either.. "

    I guess that would really depend on what he meant about "very sensitive fuel delivery systems", eh?
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    edited March 2013
    Well, the old fairy tale starts off with: once upon a time when I lived in the north east with homes using close to bunker home heating oil, heating water for steam (radiator) heating..., I do not recall the landlord doing anything to the periodic fuel oil delivery systems.

    Now that is not to say there are not some folks who for whatever reason like to store up to 55 gal plastic drums of bio diesel in their garages !!!!! ??????? :confuse: :sick: :lemon:
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,664
    Well your furnace doesn't have to operate at 75 mph in the rain and snow and wild temperature variations, and, in fact, has its own built in fuel-warmer!

    Maybe you should have this discussion with some truckers, because they meet issues with diesel fuel all the time and they know what's up like nobody else does, including me.

    I've owned diesel cars and diesel boats, so I'm just conveying what I had to deal with. I did lots of filter changes, bio-cide, cetane additives, water traps, injector additives and fresh fuel changes, and I had pretty trouble-free performance. :)
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    edited January 2013
    Again..you're seeing something I'm not I guess..
    I did see this: "They also run extremely high compression ratios and are fuel-sensitive buggers" though..
    You just added the "delivery systems" to support your reply..instead of sending that defensiveness off for a nap like I suggested!! ;) :P
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    It sure does :( And using a product like Stabil, doesn't seem to create miracles on the storage shelf off season either. I have a number of gasoline and diesel engines in my fleet. The small engined seasonal ones are the most fussy. I think because of their small capacity..chainsaws and weed eaters/blowers all have super small tanks. So I have a regime here now...I literally go around every two months or so and replace the gas in those rarely used items with new gas. eg. gas coming out of my generators gets used in something else with bigger capacity and used more often.

    And coincidently, I thought I had this issue sorted, and even with these efforts, I still had to tear down the carb on my Yammy generator just yesterday..the knees are still screwed..
    I think I forgot to syphon and refreshen the gas in it once a year ago, and that was all it took to screw it up. i HATE ethanol :mad:

    Speaking of which..any electrical engineers here? My 2400 watt'r is defaulting into "overload" cycle (which requires shutting the engine off to reset) when attempting to power a 14 amp Skil saw. I can't even get it to stay by pressing the saw power button momentarily a number of times letting it build revs progressively, thinking that that would address the electric motor surge on start up. It will still run an electric heater, which I think is a 1200 or even 1500 watt. It'll easily power up two 5 amp electric drills powered on at same time..so I wonder what is up with the saw? Any ideas? It's a fairly fancy 2400 watt generator..uses inverter tech, very PC friendly and super quiet. It's been my standby for all things 'light' when the power goes out..TV, PC, fridge/freezers etc.
    And it still will run all these things fine, but recently started to balk at anything with a draw of more than about 700 watt. Asking it to start that saw is not outta line at all I wouldn't think..it is a 2400 watt, limme check the amp rating..16.7. Just went and got my old Makita saw which is 13 amp. It used to start it fine. But not this 14 amp Mastercraft, even...like I say.. switching the on/off momentarily a number of times letting it build revs progressively. Ya, the 13 amp tried to snuff it but didn't. Maybe the extra 1 amp is the issue after all. But something else and this one I am not sure if I bought it new this way..the 12 voltput says 19.96 volt and still 16.9 volt when powering an old 12 volt headlight beam. I wonder if there is a voltage reg that works on both sides of AC and DC? (it says to never run DC at same time, but don't know why..I always assumed this was idiot-proofing wording so someone doesn't try to run full 6.5 amp 12 DC and 16.7 amp 120 v AC at same time). 120 side is 124.8 volt under no load.

    I thought this was because of a dirty carb..(it is how I found out it was gummed a bit) cuz for the past few years all it ever did was light duty. But one day I tried to plug in a 700 watt heater and it snuffed the engine and threw the overload light on. After cleaning the carb..I just went and tried it on that same heater and it is fine now.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    I just merely lifted/repeated the quote. I didn't ADD anything.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    edited March 2013
    For me anyway the BIGGEST potential issue is the much larger current draw during winter. But the funny thing has been in 10 seasons of literal instant start during winter (snow). My batteries (3) have crapped out in perfectly warm and seemingly unstressed weather periods. :confuse: Two crapped out after I parked in the garage.

    I have never had bad D2( in 255k miles). On the other side, (255k or 510k total miles) I have never had bad RUG/PUG. If I did for EITHER, it did NOT affect running.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,664
    yeah you did...you translated "fuel-sensitive" into "fuel pump" :P
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    edited March 2013
    ;) So if you are saying the fuel pump is not sensitive?.... what is the fuss about ?????? :surprise:
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    The fuss is.. that you are not quoting accurately, then feebly try to defend it!

    I am quite confident that shifty would not concede that the fuel pump is not sensitive to the fuel that's intro'd to it.. AND YOU KNOW THAT! Quit trying to have to be right all the time! We're all friends here, especially those who support diesel on this forum..quit trying to have to constantly feel you gotta defend! Sheeshh..
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    edited March 2013
    I quoted accurately.

    Of course I know that, I was one that said that hpfp's fuel pumps fail more on gassers than diesels. Even as he says diesel fuel can be more wonky. The issue was balance. I quoted accurately. Shifty either said what I cited/lifted or he didn't. I do not think I lifted it from someone else and attributed to him.

    I think you must missed the full frontal attack drivel posts by another frequent poster. I believed the host's removed it. Why he feels he needs to attack close to everything and twists everything are known only to him. So if you are not of that ilk, I will just leave it at that.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,207
    edited March 2013
    Send that defense mode off for a nap.

    Nice concept, but I don't see it ever happening.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    I didn't miss it. But I am seeing a theme. Your comment about 'twisting' is pretty ironic if you ask me..I know..you didn't and won't..anyway..

    I like your posts ruking..just for the record, ok? although your excessive short forming drives me crazy sometimes to the point that I just get tired of looking up what they mean...when I spend more time looking up the shortforms than absorbing the content of your post.

    That said tho, I don't like mis-quoting and putting words in other's mouths and I guess I am a bit sensitive to it. I know that you seem to not see where you mis-quoted and that you actually believe that you didn't..whatever..peace still just the same..
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    ..."Nice concept, but I don't see it ever happening."...

    Moving right along.......
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    edited March 2013
    Not including shipping, ( which then makes a lot more sense to buy locally as shipping has probably been applied) (Peak) A Blue Def 2.5 gal container can cost anywhere from 26.58 to 11.75, on Amazon! Even usage is all over the place.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,664
    I just read an obscure fact--that Blue Def is consumed at 2% rate of diesel fuel but 4-6% in Europe. I wonder why that is? I thought we were stricter.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    It looks to me like Wiki compared apples to oranges. This is a good link explaining cost and percentages used in Europe. Trucks use more than cars or SUVs. AdBlue may be part of the reason the newer diesels get better mileage. Notice the cost is about $2.26 per gallon and going down. That is about half the best price charged here. We must be keeping the price of Urea up raising corn for ethanol.

    By using SCR technology with AdBlue, DAF have been able to improve the fuel economy which more than compensates for the cost of AdBlue. A fuel saving of 1.5% – 2.0% compensates for the cost of AdBlue and DAF’s SCR engines can give up to 4% fuel savings over their Euro 3 predecessors

    http://www.daf.eu/SiteCollectionDocuments/UK/adblue_the_facts.pdf
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    edited March 2013
    If I do the rough calculations (in the context of your post) the app amount (4.5 gal AdBlue/DEF) consumed (in a V6 TDI 3.0 in 13,500 miles/30 mpg = 450 gals),

    was @ app 1%

    (= 4.5 gal DEF/450 gals D2 fuel) I have seen estimates of 5 gals ( DEF consumption) in 15,000 miles.

    To me what might have been more consumptive (outlier) was break-in was conducted slightly to more aggressively (rpm). While I tried to keep it to 4,000 rpm (max hp specifications, no real advantage torque wise, past 3,000 rpm ) and under, (78% and under of redline) I frequently took it closer to when the computer controlled it :surprise: :shades: I also did aggressive DE accelerations. Speeds were also VARIED.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,664
    Yes they should instruct every American who buys a diesel car on how to DRIVE IT!!
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,491
    edited March 2013
    ..."Yes they should instruct every American who buys a diesel car on how to DRIVE IT!!"...

    I am beginning to think that is the REAL issue for the brouhaha with the 2004 Prius and almost any other vehicle folks might be happy to dissatisfied with. This is NOT to say there are NOT problems. There most certainly ARE. The specifications and parameters go unheeded, or unknown. So when the vehicle is not operated within them because of some mistaken assumption or erroneous facts, they are obviously and understandably disappointed.
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