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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,704
    edited May 2013
    "40 miles while only using 1 gallon of fuel. "

    Indeed I would agree with the posted link. I think (swag only) it is well within the range.

    The VW Touareg TDI is rated 19/28 mpg EPA. It has easily 900#'s over the MB and almost a Liter BIGGER engine. So with me getting 32/33 mpg consistently (in SOS DD 420 mp R/T), my anecdotal information indicates 14 to 18% BETTER. It is almost a slam dunk it will be WAY more, if I went the requisite 65 mph. Doing that would decrease my safety factors, so I am not cruisin for a bruin. Indeed if I tailor my speeds to get 43 mpg (posted that for 80/90 miles in the mountains coming out of highway 50 from South Lake Tahoe, not freeway ) that would be closer to 54% BETTER than its EPA (my swag is 5 mpg under the speed limits or 60 mph) .
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    edited May 2013
    for use in the USA: (if automakers want to *seriously* build a diesel market in America that is not merely marginal)

    1. small diesel pickup truck (1/2 ton)

    2. HUGE 9-passenger SUV

    3. Subaru Outback Wagon

    and of course, what we already have---F250 and F350 type heavy haulers.

    Forget small sedans, forget mid-size SUVs, forget large passenger cars. The economics don't work here like they do in Europe.

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  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,426
    What about minivans? A sienna or odyssey with a nice diesel should do real well. That niche is ignored by hybrids as well.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,238
    edited May 2013
    What about minivans?

    Minivans are too practical and are not driven by the elites who define what's important, besides which those who don't fit into that category would rather be shot on sight than be seen in a minivan. It's all about SUVs or SAVs or LMNOPVs because they're not perceived as suburban drone carriers, at least by those who drive them. For the rest of us. . .

    It's all about what's cool or happening or whatever this week's word is. Can you imagine what the TV commercial for a diesel minivan would look like? Neither can I.

    The fact that such a vehicle would be useful beyond belief is totally irrelevant.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,009
    edited May 2013
    Hey, I'm pretty l33t. :P How about this in a diesel minivan?

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    Mercedes-Benz Citan Compact Van Under Consideration for U.S. (No word on the actual powertrain we could get).

    Oh, all the commercial has to say is 40 mpg.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,704
    Even if they WANTED to, the legislative and other food chains have it tatoo'd in almost every possible place that hybrids to plug in's ARE the policy.

    Most UP front is what the WSJ calls the $8,000 premium to run a diesel due to all the hurdles a diesel car are made to over come. Can you imagine if diesels were 8,000 to 9,000 cheaper (than like models of course) ??? The REAL economics would be FAR better here than almost ANYTHING in Europe, despite it working well over THERE.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,704
    edited May 2013
    ..."What about minivans? A sienna or odyssey with a nice diesel should do real well. That niche is ignored by hybrids as well." ...

    Indeed that is a lower volume (higher dollar) NICHE and all that implies.

    Edmunds.com (or shall I say I read a road test on the) did a very comprehensive take on the VW Touareg HYBRID. (The EPA as I recall was 24 mpg vs spa 28 for TDI)

    Not to gush on, but this thing is SOOOOOO MONSTER, the brake pads and rotors are oversized to the TDI's (tennie tiny ;) ) Both the HP and Torque figures dwarf the TDI's. MPG compared to the TDI is almost abysmal.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Dang...except for the bit of Nissan Cube happening at the A pillars and side windows, that thing looks fine..

    Of course all MB's should have the 3 point star rising above the leading edge of the hood.. displaying proud for the driver..
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    edited May 2013
    Small road trip today, acceptable mileage:

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    This was mostly cruise set at 65 on state highways driving, with a few slowdowns and city streets mixed in.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Can you imagine what the TV commercial for a diesel minivan would look like?

    Oh yes I can..as Steve suggests "40MPG!" works..

    You spoiled this great first part: "The fact that such a vehicle would be useful beyond belief"

    with the word irrelevant. And with that, I can't agree at all. I'm guessing you were speaking for the ignorant masses...to that I say..don't help them..
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    acceptable mileage

    So you're trying out to be featured as Jay Leno's next stand-up comic I presume?

    If we had colored text options, I'd have posted that in green..
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Speaking of Ads. When MB offered the 2005 "E" with diesel the ad showed a guy traveling 800 miles without stopping for fuel. With your mileage you should be good for 900 miles.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Indeed if I tailor my speeds to get 43 mpg (posted that for 80/90 miles in the mountains coming out of highway 50 from South Lake Tahoe, not freeway ) that would be closer to 54% BETTER than its EPA (my swag is 5 mpg under the speed limits or 60 mph)

    I hear ya, but sometimes there are anomalies associated with various displacement and gearing choices. Plus all the other numerous factors like injector nozzle sizes, pump psi, etc etc.
    I say that because I am reminded of the mileage I got with my old Land Cruiser wagon (weighed more than your T or an ML) with an inline big 4, NA'd. Was a 3.4. And I am comparing it with my 89 Toyota P/U (also 4x4) that weighed over a 1000 pounds lighter, yet couldn't come even close to the mpg of the big wagon (which also was only a 4 speed with top cog direct vs the 5 speed in the P/U) even though it was a full litre less displacement, but was turbo'd.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,704
    edited May 2013
    Yes that is the interesting thing I have done the same trip any number of times in any one of 5 TLC's. So needless to say, I know the drill in a gasser SUV (4800#'s, aka CUV being 174#'s heavier) Also it is scary to go the speeds in the SUV TLC gasser than the CUV. To cut to the chase, I know if I went the same speeds as the TDI in the gasser SUV's, the mpg would deteriorate much further than the 14 to 17 mpg I CAN get, albeit going far slower.

    TMI factoid is the TLC's tranny is made by Aisin. The one 4 speed manual I had I do not remember who was said to have made it. I assume it was probably Aisin also.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    To clarify, those two were both diesels. The p/u turbo actually being even more rare than the wagon. It might have been an 87? The old brain is starting to forget...I almost think it was an 87 not an 89 cuz by 88 we were hard-pressed to find diesels.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    I assume it was probably Aisin also.

    Probably. I know the front hubs were Aisin on both.

    The tranny in the wagon was really sweet. It had quite a long stick, but not too long a throw and just snic snic'd..if only they had used as much galvanizing in the sheet metal as they do now. Gosh it was a great SUV. If only I had owned it from new I KNOW it would not have been as rusty as it had gotten..It even had rusted-through rain gutters :(
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,704
    I am hearing you. In some ways, I am VERY curious to see how "the marbles in the can days of old diesels" integrated into the newer diesels (25 to 1 compression ratios). So for example 19 to 16 to one are the current "NON" (diesel) sounding diesels compression ratios. Just that difference alone can be responsible for both more power and mpg.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Yes..and the new Mazda diesels low CR amazes me. It is barely higher than their gas jobs..or at least the smaller displacement ones in EU. It seems to me that..at the very least, it would make them a little more cold-blooded when the temps really drop. That said, I guess lower CR's allow for a bit faster spinning speed during start up, but still..
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    I was trying to be modest :P

    It makes me doubt the trip computer sometimes, but that number is pretty amazing. To cruise in comfort and relative luxury with near-hybrid mpg.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    21 gallon tank, definitely should be able to beat 800. Gotta love it. Runs like that make me not mind the payment as much :shades:
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