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Normally each states DMV will list when to turn off/on high beams? Here is CA's https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/hdbk/driving_in
According to local police, as many as 69 Dieselgate buyback vehicles have been reported missing from the Silverdome. One particular dealership may have played a part, as it handled as many as 41 of the missing cars. Legal representatives for the dealership say that the dealer purchased a number of the recalled diesels from a supplier in Michigan, spending about $11,000 each. Indiana police say the vehicles were given forged Michigan titles allowing them to be transported out of state and sold. This investigation into apparent title fraud led to the discovery of some of the missing vehicles.
http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/14289/nearly-70-recalled-dieselgate-cars-have-been-stolen-from-volkswagen
The DMV isn't known for publishing the best driving handbooks in CA.
They actually have the audacity to say with a straight face - "All speed limits are based on ideal driving conditions." - Maximum speed law paragraph in the link above.
Really?
So all the driver's on the road in CA driving 15 -25 over the speed limit must not being taking "conditions" into account then!
At least they don't lie about the Basic Speed Law anymore. It used to say you may never go over the prima facie speed limit, but that you may have to go under it, LOL! Not how the Vehicle Code read, ever!
Just like it's hard to NOT applaud that 50% or more of the accidents due to DUI and then driving: now CUT to 30%. This of course means that 70% of all accidents are now added/due to being stone COLD SOBER!! .
What skews the numbers?
Well, for one, anyone going even 1 MPH over the speed limit is technically speeding and that makes accident reports say things like "speeding a factor in causation."
The big one though, is that drunk drivers THAT tend to SPEED tend to crash, and drunk drivers that speed AND crash tend to die in those crashes. No one with any logic would include drunk drivers that speed and blame the speeding, but that's how it is done at most government agencies. Filter out the idiocy from the statistics and you end up with about 2-3%.
https://youtu.be/CgldIzy__g8
Little road trip today, 46.1 mpg per the trip computer.
I thought I might replace my old plow truck with it if I could maybe snag for $10K, but I think I would be waay out of the range of reasonable on that.
I had fully intended to have put 200k to 300 k miles on the 2003 VW TDI. 400,000 miles total. It was not to be.
But then on the other hand, here's an organic & recycled vehicle that can be used by a card carrying environmentalist (Al Gore?) to: for example, Apple Board Meetings? https://www.yahoo.com/gma/canoe-unearthed-hurricane-irma-could-hundreds-years-old-195804517--abc-news-topstories.html
I wonder where the organic & recycled paddles are?
I can speak for the ones I have or now to have HAD!
So on the 2003 VW Jetta TDI 1.9 L, 5 speed MANUAL, 400,000 miles on the oem cluch is doable given "normal" operation. That would be @ the 14th oil change.
If I wanted to upgrade to bigger injectors, or not, a more heavier duty OEM clutch assembly can be swapped in @ the same time or not! So it's a no brainer to go from 155# ft to 250 - 300 # ft or so, or NOT! The kicker or sleeper: one can still post the " normal 48 to 52 mpg" unless one exercises ones right foot in an "UN" disciplined manner.
So I'm told yes, new injectors will pass.
They can & will steer one to the products with the proper EPA #'s, if & when appropriate.
It's probably just a matter of time before they have a product line for the GM TDI. There are also a plethora of after market vendors that cater to the American diesel market.
https://youtu.be/hjVmkUTuMGU
You'll just need patience
Coal-rolling bro trucks should receive financially crushing citations.
@ 200,000 + miles, it will need its 2nd major tune. I'm sure my mechanic guru will have some other parts change recommendations. I will probably need new windshield wiper inserts & new tires.
Too bad the EPA/CARB didn't include the 2003 VW TDI for compensation @ what was paid new in 2003.
I have driven that route with the Touareg TDI. The VW is still the better vehicle for winding mountain roads. Not to mention the extra two hours to travel about 60 more miles. If I can hit I15 during decent traffic it is the best route. My Sunday afternoon drive from San Diego to Pahrump was 5 hours flat, 336 miles and one potty stop.
This is for Andres3: I went to the DMV in Pahrump on Monday morning to change my drivers license and get the new GMC Canyon licensed. Their system is still slow. I was 15th in line when it opened at 8 AM. I was out of there at 9:30 with my new license and plateS. I asked about the front plate. She said if there is no place for it, then it was not required. Their license fees are NOT cheap. $625 for the new PU truck. It is rated over 6001 lbs.
Just a note on the VW Touareg. It is parked in the garage in NV. It has not been driven for 3 weeks. I left it locked up and got concerned about a dead battery. Can you open electric doors with a dead battery? So I did leave them unlocked. It started fine after 3 weeks sitting. Our 2007 Sequoia would go dead battery after 2 weeks in the garage. Not only that the Toyota factory battery was shot right at 3 years. The VW is over 4 years old and the battery seems as strong as day one. Engine popped to life like I had just turned it off. I will miss the Touareg if VW does not fix and has to do the buyback.
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To answer the host's posting, I've read in more than one article & more importantly VW settlement agreements, that Bosch was supposed to pony up $ 1,500 per affected eligible unit. But you are right, I'm now waiting to see, if it will be $500 or $1,500.
I had to call VW roadside assistance, not very helpful other than queuing a tow truck. I called a VW dealer to talk to a knowledgeable service or sales guy, and that was helpful, led me through the following steps:
1) You can easily pop off a plastic trim piece that pretends to be a door handle, and like magic, a keyhole cylinder appears! Doors open-able at that point.
2) You have to put the key FOB near (like within an inch or two) of where you'd normally put in an ignition key (but since all VW's are pretty much push-button start), this wasn't intuitive or known to me without being told.
3) With the FOB adjacent to the steering column sensor, the car recognizes it, and only then can you use push-button to start the vehicle.
4) Was happy VW engineers thought about the CONS of modern technology! Thought we might be screwed by the fact no one uses a real key anymore.
I did manage to drain my Passat's battery a few times, but it was due to the starting issues I had last winter (cold weather), not the long sits. As with yours, it fired right up like I had just used it the day before (when the fuel was flowing!).
The 2001 Corvette Z06 is tethered to a Battery Tender Plus (brand) & ithe Z06 doesn't even stutter start. One try, drive off immediately if not sooner.
There are obviously TMI's!
One TMI on VW deep cycle DIESEL batteries is that VW engineering has transfer a lot of functioning to the electrical systems, for fuel saving purposes. The electrical systems are NOT designed to FULLY recharge the battery: to 100% for example.
(Off topic the battery tender plus gives blinking lamp (circuit) indication of the battery's charge, i.e below 80%, @ 80 %, @ 100%.)
The fintail, which has a large battery and little to draw it down while parked, fires right up on the first turn even when parked for 5-6 weeks. I suspect a lot of modern cars, with small batteries and systems constantly running, can't pull that off.
Global Warming's core arguments, which have never been true, & never proven are being gutted by....science! In fact the "change" to Global "Climate change" was much more than a pivot! It's hard to have not noticed winter, spring, summer & fall since the ice age @ least 10,000 years ago! It's just the REAL deniers are in FACT & in fact in denial!
Now, I believe in freedom of religion! However, when it's wrapped in "settled" pseudo science to begin with, & passed around the world like communal pork cutlet bits in everything, I take extreme umbrage!
“There’s a section on sustainability... asking what processes are in place to make sure the cobalt does not come from child labour in the DRC,” one said.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-cobalt-evs-exclusive/exclusive-vw-moves-to-secure-cobalt-supplies-in-shift-to-electric-cars-idUSKCN1BX1RE
http://www.dw.com/en/child-labor-still-rife-in-democratic-republic-of-congo/a-39194724
Indeed, TESLA has seen fit to discontinue their cheapest EV (model, X). Anyway it is sliced, EV (pmd: fuel) is FAR more costly. Government subsidies at all levels have to be even FAR better than they already ARE to get at least me to switch to EV.
So in fact by the % of (your) mileage, diesel remains the best cost-effective around town mpg & cost effective solution already "in the quiver". Whom in their right, even wasteful minds would buy a $45.000 to $140,000 EV to do a portion (whatever #/%) of those miles/mileage! ??
In contrast your 27 mpg would suck up 577 gals of ULSD?
It's no real secret that I considered the 2003/2004 Toyota Prius, which certainly at the time would have easily taken care of the around TOWN miles, albeit (even then) FAR more costly (pmd:fuel) miles. In almost 2 decades that has not changed.
So faster forward, the 2003 VW Jetta TDI ( should have had 511,000 + miles ) has a leisurely 186,000 miles.(13,300 miles per yr average) As it turns out, the 2004 Honda Civic (225,000 miles) was bought since the primary commuters did not want to drive stick shifts. This was to be followed by the 2009 VW Jetta TDI (120,000 miles) The 2003 and 2004 VW A/T's were to be avoided (like the plague). So faster forward to 2017 Las Vegas, Nevada, the 2003 VW Jetta TDI is for @ least 3/4 mos being used for commute purposes. Now she's driven 1996 TLC, 2003 VW Jetta TDI, 2004 Honda Civic, 2009 VW Jetta TDI, 2012 VW Toareg, MB GLK 250 BT, etc. So she's developed a perspective ON diesels.
Ever slow Las Vegas diesel news day! . My daughter won $900 shawdowing her friends crap table bets!! She also was thrown a few chips for having a 20 min ROLL! For those that are not acquainted, the house does everything to break up a 20 min uninterrupted roll. I think it may have paid for parking the diesel @ the casino.
It also can drive already unaffordable rents higher! How many renters would demand their rents be higher, so landlords could install solar panels & those devices to meter solar panel renters usage? To write that here realily sounds absurd! ?
In S F. CA, some rental units owners are being forced to seismically upgrade with absurdly low to no renters contributions. Up to 9% loans can be gotten through the government seismic "improvement" programs to get seismic upgrades. Seismic upgrades have zero (earthquake resistant) guarantees!