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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    Yes the GD is tickled. She was driving an older 4Runner with 2WD. They are looking forward to winter trips to her husband's family in Tahoe. They also have the Sportswagen TDI that he commutes with. That is 45 miles each way so they save a bunch with the VW TDI.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    edited August 2013
    With all the emphasis on GREEN fuel, are there folks who see the green handle (ULSD) and chose the "environmentally GREEN" hose !?

    Yes, I could see this happening..also for my comment on this:

    I would SWAG filling diesel in vehicles requiring RUG/PUG is probably more common than the other way around.

    Yes, I agree with this also, mainly because your average diesel owner is basically a more responsible/aware vehicle owner...they aren't driving a diesel by accident..they drive one cuz they want one.

    Steve...it's wor$e to put gas in a diesel.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,927
    Thanks, wondered. I see ads in the UK for mobile service to drain tanks when you stall out after putting petrol in a diesel. There's a job opportunity for you when diesels catch on more. :shades:

    And I agree, Ruking - for a while there only diesels had green pump handles and then some suits decided that gasoline was "green" too. Dumb. Seems like BP was the instigator.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,479
    edited August 2013
    To me, the other scary thing is that the "green" plastic hose cover does not seem to always designate ULSD/ D2. I have seen them on other than D2 dispensers.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    If only it was as simple as just a pump out drain. That scene is more doable if diesel was pumped into a gas job..
    But that said, it used to be worse when diesel injection pumps were wholly responsible for entire injector psi. So...if anyone else can weigh in on the newer diesels, maybe it is not the catastrophic scene that it once used to be? Still really bad though..
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,927
    edited August 2013
    Yeah, the mobile service covers both but I think diesel in a gasser is much more common. I don't even remember that outfit doing gas out of diesel recovery when I looked at that link a year or so ago. "More than 400 people accidentally do this every day in the UK" - that in a country where there's what, likely 50% diesel vehicles running around? You'd think it wouldn't be too hard to make the nozzles harder to fit into the wrong filler tube.

    And yeah Ruking, I was thinking about the plastic hose covers when I said gas went "green".
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    For sure...remember when we went no lead? Rhetorical...of course you do...haha ya got a few years on me old man :shades:
    They made the leaded nozzles a bigger dia than the insert they put in no lead filler pipes to prevent mistakes.

    I'm shocker by those UK'rs...there're in a bigger, mindless hurry over there than we are here I guess :(

    Ya..gas in a diesel (even a really new one) is still something I would DREAD happening to my new GLK. Even caught quickly (let's say the fuel stn delivery guy had a mix :sick: ) I'll bet that scene would take an easy 150000 miles of life off the affected engine overnight. One problem for sure that I can get my head around, even with present tech, is the horrendous damaging pinging that would ensue before actual shutdown. Most owners (borrowers?) putting gas in their (friend's) diesel, are the least likely to actually tune in to the terrible sounds their car was making before actually conking out :( Gas is more explosive than diesel under ambient atmospheric conditions, so imagine how prone the electronics would allow it to ping under the extra high CC pressures of a diesel? The knock sensor would tell the ECU to retard timing as much as it possibly could. But that parameter might still be so broad that pre-detonation (and noticeable lack of power) would create an awfully foul mood diesel.

    So...that's actually an interesting question...I wonder if these new models have sophisticated enough electronic intervention that they shut the engine down like right away at the first whiff of the wrong fuel? Fast enough that maybe the engine life can be saved?
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,479
    edited August 2013
    In the US market that UK statistic is hard to put into context. There are 40 M passenger vehicles in the UK. So the incidence is 146,000/40,000,000= .00365% The US market has 258.4 M, AND we do not have the US market figures. So even if we do 146,000, the incidence is .000565%. Again 50% + are diesels in the UK (20 M+). The US markets are more like 5% (12.92 M)
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,927
    edited August 2013
    I have no idea if that 50% number is real either - just pulled it out of thin air.

    But 400 a day is a bit much, especially if it happens to you. :blush:
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    I've heard that 50% number randomly quite often too, so is probably not far off the mark.

    Anecdotally though, on Coronation Street (a UK TV soap) the vast majority of vehicles used in scenes are predominantly diesel...by a landslide actually..
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    Seems like BP was the instigator.

    BP was an early adopter of ULSD before the mandate. If they have put green handles on their gas pumps that is a bad idea. However I will not be buying any BP/ARCO diesel for my Touareg. They only take cash or charge for ATM purchases. So I cannot use my Costco AMEX that gives me 3% on all fuel purchases at non box store stations. Our local Chevron has good price on diesel most of the time. Right now Diesel and RUG are both around $3.95. Plus I only have to fill half as many times as with the gassers.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    One good thing in CA is all the gas dispensers have to have those sealed type nozzles to protect us from Deadly RUG/PUG fumes. Diesel nozzles are still the same old ones that have been around a long time. I never let anyone fuel my diesel vehicles in the past except where forced by Oregon law. And he was the one that broke my filler cap and it cost him $225.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,479
    edited August 2013
    What I have come to think about cars outside US markets is to suspend both belief and disbelief. While we tend to think they are seamless across country's boundaries, they are indeed NOT ! While not many folks do this, try to import a NOT made for US market car into the US. One will quickly see, it is FAR from seamless.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,406
    Seems like we have a new diesel mpg champion - at least by EPA standards.

    http://rumors.automobilemag.com/2014-bmw-328d-rated-by-epa-237163.html
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,896
    Now MB needs to get the C250 diesel going to beat it. C250 diesel 4Matic wagon, yes.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,896
    As long as the car is 25+ years old, you'll have no problems. Otherwise, virtually impossible. The US has perhaps the most repressive private import rules on the planet.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    That is GREAT news. I love to see the competition for diesel champ. The Passat TDI did not hold the title for long. Though the Chevy Cruze diesel is top rated at 46 on highway. They must have geared the Cruze for highway mileage, as it drops off in the city well below the competition. The ball is back in the Audi and MB court to top BMW. I don't expect the Domestics to compete much.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    I seriously thought about bringing an old diesel SUV from Canada. The hassles and just old technology, combined with very high prices killed my interest. Glad I waited. Hopefully I have my new ride today.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,479
    edited August 2013
    A good thing really !!!! For decades BMW used US markets to sell their (relatively) fuel hogs (among others). The BEST ( mpg) BMW's STILL do not hit US markets. :sick:

    It would seem the (ZF?) 8 speed A/T is a key component of both the performance and mpg metrics. Makes me wonder if a 6/7 speed M/T will be offered. It remains to be seen if real world mpg will meet and/or exceed or come below EPA figures. @ almost 40k MSRP, the new BMW 328 D, is FAR (@ app $17 K) MORE expensive than the VW mentioned in the article ;) With a few (can't do without) options, $45 to 55 k would probably seem "normal".

    So for VW, I think it hastens the 8 speed dry sump DSG to the US markets.

    I also look forward to the also rumored BMW X5 35 D or whatever the redesign will be designated. Since the 328 D has the 8 speed A/T, I would suspect the X5 35 D would also have to have it. (from 6 speed)

    14 BMW X5 35 D "REDESIGN"
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