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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,012
    How can you dislike diesels if you get one that burns gas?

    “Literally, don’t try this at home!” he says. “It certainly is not a natural thought to run gasoline in a diesel engine, but when you control it properly, then not only can it be done, but you can achieve very impressive efficiency numbers, across the board. The emissions signature is significantly lower.”

    The lab pushing petrol car engines to new extremes (BBC)

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,707
    edited October 2013
    LOL! :) So what do you think the legislative and regulatory agencies like the EPA are going to say to real world (certified) engines that can do this ?

    Keep in mind there is no passenger (DIESEL) engine yet certified to run 100% BIODIESEL !!! ????

    So do you think we would get this diesel hybrid 261 mpg VW to our shores? Heaven forbid ! We got the 50 mpg Prius! :)

    http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20130701-a-german-time-machine
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    So what was it?
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,707
    Just saw a BMW print advertisement 5 series diesel. Optional is xDrive intelligent all-wheel drive.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I think BMW is serious about catching MB. My local dealer has on their inventory seven of the new 535D models. They also show 19 X5 diesels and 15 of the new 4 cylinder 328Ds. Edmunds does not even show the 2014s being available. The 328D is highway rated at 45, not sure anyone beats that do they?

    I don't think any Mercedes dealer has that kind of inventory on diesels.

    http://www.bmwofelcajon.com/searchnew.aspx?model=X5&trim=xDrive35d
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,707
    edited October 2013
    It certainly sounds like they have gotten so ! When I went to test drive the 12 BMW X5 35 D, there were two (diesel) units between 2 BMW dealerships, aka in the silicon valley, ca. This was interesting in itself, as they are "imported", made in South Carolina, albeit for world wide sales. So Kudos to BMW for making that US plant part of the strategic vision (if one will). But then for a host of reasons, Germany and the EU promises to be depressed for @ least the foreseeable future (5 years). Sort of a side/Side bar, China likes stuff oemed in both Germany & the US. Part of the answer of course may have been the inventory matched the areas' "real world" interest. :( :) The best deal at the time "seemed" to be .... take it, or... leave it.

    MB @ the time wanted to line me up for a test drive, (no inventory between again 2 dealerships). For the 13 MY, they seemed very aggressive in selling the MB GLK 250 blue tec. In line with that, they seemed to have competitive discounts. However, no ZERO down & percentage.

    BMW's 45 mpg H EPA seems to be the current MPG leader. It is good to see BMW go from one of the leading gas guzzler lines, to a very competitive mpg market leader.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    I'm not sure I understand what car you bought. Was it a Cruze diesel?? An employee here has a Cruze Eco and is getting that kind of mileage (also a fairly new car), so if that's all the diesel has to offer, that really sucks.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    What I find interesting is Mercedes is still the Luxury leader in the USA with just under 25k units sold in September. WW Mercedes sold 142,000 vehicles in September. With China leading the pack. We truly are becoming a second rate market.

    I am thrilled to see BMW bring more diesel models to the US. Audi slipped several in but to me the high mileage 4 cylinders from MB and BMW are the most exciting. The 328D wagon is a good option as well. MB better get there small wagon on the lots to compete. The BMW does not have the torque of the MB 4 cylinder. It is claiming 280 ft lbs vs the MB at 369 ft lbs.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    China also has something like 4.5x the population of the US. Its socio-economic model is nothing the US needs to emulate.

    C250 4Matic wagon, please.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    If it was the diesel, then only 35 mpg combined seems odd to me too. Doesn't matter that it is a new engine being broken in, still should be doing better than that. Unless 'combined' involves Chicago-like freeway 'parking lots' where more time is spent idling and stopped than moving anywhere.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    just got a CA "STAR" station "smog certification" on a 13 year old 385 hp/385 # ft of torque vehicle.

    What vehicle was this? It couldn't have been the TLCs.. and the VW T doesn't have that much HP, plus has a bit more torque than that, and it sure wasn't the Jetta or Golf, so...
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I had to get my wife's LS400 smogged this year. Passed well below the maximum numbers. It is now 24 years old. The diesel smog check in CA is a joke. Another case of harassing diesel owners and collecting more fees. Not happy with higher tax on diesels. Not sure when they will start checking my Touareg TDI.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,707
    edited October 2013
    It's the Chevrolet Corvette Z06. Essentially like the others, it smogs as when NEW. Not bad despite the 60 year old + engine design. LOL It sports pushrod "technology," even as I have read, the 2014 iteration. I read in passing the new "Sting Ray" posts H EPA 29 mpg. BUT it has a Tremec 7 speed M/T.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,707
    edited October 2013
    Unfortunately that will be next year. Yours is a 2013, so as a condition for registration, 2014.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I don't think you have to have a smog check the first 6 years. This was the first year for the 2007 Sequoia. I sold it to the grand daughter so no smog was needed as a condition of sale. Then it is every other year. At least in this part of the UPSR of CA.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,707
    edited October 2013
    Yes, that used to be correct. In the earlier days it used to be EXEMPT! I had to smog the 09 TDI in 10. I agree with you, TOTAL RIP off !

    Well, I was posting 34.5 mpg, but could not resist much less than 75 mph on the upgrade (210 miles ZERO to 7382 ft down to 6225 ft) on the SOS DD trip. The views and weather were GORGEOUS !! It didn't fall off too much given a few stops and slows for mountain road work (escorted traffic, other than those, almost no back ups). The low fuel lamp and buzzer went off and filled 23.77 gals/ 26.4 gal tank (3.65 per gal) 786 miles or 33.2 mpg.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited October 2013
    I had forgotten you had a Vette in the mix. You sure do have an interesting and diversified collection in your family..altho the Bruisers (an affectionate term I use for the TLCs) are a bit redundant..especially since nary an oil burner between the pair :( :wink:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I wish I still had my 1964 TLC. I would of course gotten rid of that horrible engine Toyota put in it. Along with most of the running gear. I guess it was the body style that I liked. Only two surviving photos I have first the Tierra del Sol run 1965 and high in the Sierras.

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Wow! Very cool pics, Gary..
    I'm not familiar with the Tierra del Sol run. Was this your very truck?

    See why I call 'em Bruisers? haha That one's a little close, if not over the edge of maybe of running the oil pump a little starved, unless you had special baffles in the pan?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I killed the engine and winched out. The TDS run is one of the oldest 4X4 runs in the US. Still going every year. They make it tough going. I was taking pictures and my wife wrote stories for 4X4 and Dune buggy news back then. I still have some of the old newspapers. I should scan them into the computer.

    http://www.tds4x4.com/
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