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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 7,047
    MPG wasn't really the reason to get them, although the 40mpg the Note gets is nice. The Note at just under $16K with title, tags, & taxes, is the most we've ever paid for a car.

    Che...FRUGAL...the word is frugal, right? :)

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    edited February 5
    PF_Flyer said:

    MPG wasn't really the reason to get them, although the 40mpg the Note gets is nice. The Note at just under $16K with title, tags, & taxes, is the most we've ever paid for a car.

    Che...FRUGAL...the word is frugal, right? :)

    When the 2003 VW Jetta was bought for slightly more than that, I didn't think I was being particularly frugal! @ 187,000 miles, I look forward to the next 213,000 miles! But even @ 400,000 miles, it gives me 4.5 cents per mile : depreciation(full). So if I get that from the buyback @ app 110,000 miles,...sounds pretty good!

    For sure, that can be one reason!? But then, the next most important marathon will be whether or not they can go 12 + years and at least 180,000 miles !
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 30,433
    I can see me blasting across the dunes in a Tiguan with the 2.0L TDI biturbo. It is quite impressive in the Passat.

    Besides the 240 PS, the twin-turbo engine also comes with 500 Nm (368 lb-ft) of torque, the highest yet delivered by an MQB car. This is especially useful during acceleration, but can only be harnessed by a Haldex 5 all-wheel drive system and a new seven-speed wet-clutch DSG gearbox.

    Official numbers from Volkswagen claim 0 to 80 km/h (50 mph) takes 4.2 seconds and 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph) takes 6.1 seconds.


  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    edited February 6
    As much as I enjoy the VW 2.0 L TDI @ 236 # ft of torque, the MB 2.1 L BT @ 369 # ft is loads of fun! So IF VW is talking about putting a biturbo TDI with 368 # ft in a Tiauan, that will work!
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Dodge City, KSPosts: 6,374
    edited February 6
    Che...FRUGAL...the word is frugal, right? :)

    Most I ever paid for a car was the $21,200 for our 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS, PF_Flyer. Made it to 130,000 miles with no issues, then the timing chain froze on Highway 54 going south in to El Paso. Ouch! The car had been paid off a little over a year earlier. Mitsubishi issued a recall for a "prematurely wearing out serpentine belt" 2 weeks after we traded the Lancer GTS in on our '11 Soul base 5-speed because of this incident. We asked for compensation after we got the recall notice for the '08 Lancer GTS in our Alamogordo, NM, mailbox. Mitsubishi Consumer Affairs told us "but you traded your Lancer GTS in. If you had just called us right after the incident we would've had something to talk about."

    Umm. :( If I was a car company I would not have handled that incident that way. The car was paid off, still loved driving it, 130,000 miles and running very well, serpentine belt breaks. All belts had been checked at a Mitsubishi dealer 2 weeks earlier and found to be "fine." Nothing was due to be done on the service schedule of Mitsubishi's for this car.

    The belt that broke no doubt caused the engine seizure, they knew about it and they say "because you traded everything is null and void." Excuse me, I had no idea what you guys knew about a prematurely wearing serpentine belt! What would they have done? Called Mitsubishi Consumer Affairs when they're at a Mitsu dealer assessing the damage? Didn't even think about doing that. We needed transportation and all we could thing about was getting back on the road. So we traded for the Kia Soul. Dealer gave us $2,000 for the Lancer GTS body in trade. A replacement Lancer engine was tracked down selling for $3,400 (plus their labor to install it) and it had 64,000 miles on it! Rental car costs, nah, we weren't gonna go down that road.

    Left a sour taste in our mouths. Kia Soul's running fine - I remember saying the Lancer GTS was running fine before this happened, too. Ahh, car stories, huh?!

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    edited February 6
    It really gets back to what I've been saying about VW stepping UP for DIESELS & "diesel gate" & (what appears to be) BIG TIME!!!

    (anecdotally) DSG warranty extension, the HPFP (my out of warranty incident) & so far, "diesel gate's " $1,000 & Road Assist!

    So, what would one rather have: blasts of quality hot air from (Mitsubishi's) various departments: or,

    VW's DSG warranty extensions, out of warranty HPFP repairs and out of warranty cash & 3 yr Road Assisst? All three are totally documented! The 2009 VW Jetta TDI is still going strong @ 105,000 miles! I am looking forward to the next 296,000 miles!!!

    Well, if the buy back is attractive...?....($8,900+ is being bandied about) VW is also likely to offer incentives for a buy back clients next VW. If the new Tiguan has the TDI option with 368# ft of torque & 7 speed DSG/AT on the market & with great terms & incentives.....I might be a buyer!

    The 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS did NOT even make it to 12 years/180,000 miles!? IF what I am reading is true?

    If I got offered $2,000 f( vs $8,900?) or the 2009 VW TDI @ 105,000 miles and in a fit of Chicken Little TDI frenzy,...took it, would I have been had? Or should I be PC and say: the other guy got a GREAT deal! (STEAL) ? I would not take $2000 for even a 2003 VW Jetta TDI @ 187,000 miles.

    So, would someone want to explain to me why I would want to be GASSER fan boy? Just a quick + dirty calculation (anyone can do the math) indicates a LOT of money left on the table. Keep in mind that I have gotten similar treatment (Mitsubishi type) from Toyota, Honda & Ford! My 2001 GM product @ 75,000 miles has been relatively issue free afte Chevrolet stepping up during the warranty period!
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    edited February 7
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    edited February 7
    Slow diesel news day ! This linked article offers up nothing new, but settlements might be getting closer! The article seems to portend buybacks, for the older ones.

    Me? I'd would entertain replacement car monies with a great deal & good terms on an upgrade or downgrade VW TDI. After all, why would VW want me to switch over to another Mercedes ? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volkswagen-offer-generous-compensation-u-132938070.html

    Way off topic: Loads of Super Bowl football madness around here! The GS Warriors led off the festivities with a win, with a White House visit. Then, they manage another win!

    So...how about them Denver Broncos? I hear tell the cheapest ticket is $ 4,000!
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Dodge City, KSPosts: 6,374
    edited February 7
    ruking1, Golden State is a phenomenal NBA basketball team. Incredible team - one of their great shooters, Klay Thompson, is a Washington State University product.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    edited February 7
    Go Cougars!

    I have read there are approximately 3,000 athletes in all of professional sports ???!!! Given our population of 326 M, this group is .00000920 % of the population! Just this group itself is at the pinnacle and it is truly mind-boggling. The fact that K. Thompson & a handful of other basketball people are @ the pinnacle of (another subset of that) basketball is even more mind-boggling ! For better and for worse, we celebrate professional athletes. They are a cultural phenomena!

    I was at this Super Bowl, 1985 http://sports.yahoo.com/video/stanford-look-back-last-super-065012260.html

    F/F to 2016, One local station has about 7 1/2 hours of coverage ? :D
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Dodge City, KSPosts: 6,374
    Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson together on the same team forms a dynasty.

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    edited February 7
    Well I got to say, they are certainly on the uphill road ! The Warriors games are televised here as a part of the local cable TV. I'm not sure how it is in various places. So if I'm repeating the obvious, I apologize. Some of the games seem almost comical! But at the same time, they are just a study in absolute flow intensity. (Among other observations)

    We got hooked on girls (pre kindergarten to K-8 ) & women's (9 - 12) basketball (title IX- div 1) .So needless to say, We follow it! (6 universities teams to start)
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,032
    edited February 7
    C'mon, it's not that slow on diesel news out there. :p

    New Jersey Fourth State to Sue VW over Excess Diesel Emissions (allgov.com)

    Volkswagen to offer generous compensation for U.S. customers: paper (Reuters)

    VW launches new ad campaign in hopes of restoring trust (leftlanenews.com)

    The Classic Bob poster in the comments to the Left Lane News article offers up a bunch of fun acronyms, including:

    TDI: Totally Deceptive Invention

    :)

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    edited February 7
    Well if the EPA/CARB were doing their jobs i.e.,actually monitoring TESTING, like they do gas cars biannually, or @ the very least test a representative number, they would hardly have been deceived! That argument is a false endless loop! They are just PO'd because they got caught sleeping at the wheel ! So for example, the EPA/CARB are STILL CLUELESS as to what the affected diesel populations emissions numbers are! That affected Arblay way far less to not measurable ! And, ...they are damn proud of it! Geez!
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 30,433
    "For the past decade Volkswagen engaged in one of the largest frauds in the history of the automobile industry,"

    Not even close to knowingly selling cars with a faulty ignition switch for 13 years. Killing well over 100 people.

    Feinberg said he had not yet decided whether to consider claims that the emissions damaged the health of claimants.

    "I am inclined to not accept that and tell such people they should sue Volkswagen if they want to," he said.


    Smart man. Proving your health was diminished by a handful of VW TDI's faulty emissions would be nearly impossible to prove in court. How many millions of diesels are on the road today that put out far more NOx? Someway the attorneys can say a person got ill from his neighbors 2009 VW TDI and not his neighbor's 1988 Ford PU with diesel, that legally puts out 100s of times more NOx? Our litigious society will be the death of US long before NOx will.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    Well I hope that is true from the title, but I don't get that from the article.http://finance.yahoo.com/news/vw-plans-u-diesel-owners-100111288.html
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,032
    edited February 8
    Sounds like they are starting to make the right noises.

    GM and Toyota enjoyed "deferred-prosecution agreements that require the companies to cooperate with authorities. The charges will be dismissed in three years if the automakers comply with the accords.

    Volkswagen may not get that option."

    Emissions Lies Haunt VW as It Faces Tougher Justice Department (Bloomberg)

    Unless they start "cooperating".

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,032
    edited February 8
    Phys.org reports on a study by Radboud University in the Netherlands that models dieselgate fraud deaths. 700 "life-years" in the US.

    (a "life year" is equivalent to watching 26 episodes of Laverne & Shirley).

    "European officials knew that Volkswagen diesels fell short on pollution controls years before the company became engulfed in an emissions cheating scandal, records show.

    They also knew that diesels across the industry had problems that were similar, if not worse."

    Lab tests also hid pollution from Europe’s diesels (Boston Globe)

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 30,433
    I know I haven’t lost a relative, I just want to be treated fairly.’ They are all quite reasonable.”

    I just want my $1000 Visa cards and a New VW Touareg TDI LUX. B) White with Saddle Brown Leather.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 30,433
    In the United States, Volkswagen has conceded its software was illegal, designed to cheat emissions tests. In Europe, however, it has said the same technology is not illegal.

    If it is not illegal in the EU, why would the owners get rewarded anymore than driving the most fuel efficient cars on the planet?

    If VW TDIs are killing off 700 people a year, how many of those 700 people smoked? That has to be far worse than the minute particles of NOx in the air. So 125 of those 700 are more likely to die from smoking. We do have 480,000 smoking related deaths in the US every year. So how much do the tobacco companies get dinged every year? Let's see you are 685 Times more likely to die from cigarette smoke than NOx put out by VW TDIs. So why isn't the EPA suing the tobacco companies the same as they are VW. $48 b times 685 is around $33 TRILLION the tobacco companies owe US. Or better yet add that much tax to the cost of cigarettes. That comes out to roughly $2250 in taxes on a pack of cigarettes.

    My neighbor lady lives about 70 feet from our house. If I have the office window open and the wind is from the SE her cigarette smoke comes in my window. I don't think outlawing them is the answer. Just my hefty tax solution should be fine.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,032
    It's not 700 a day, it's 700 of those life-years.

    And I'd be happy with outlawing them. ;)

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    Thankfully that has as much chance of happening as outlawing gasoline, gas hybrids, ethanol or even EV for that matter!
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,032
    You are thankful that cigarettes aren't going to be outlawed? Good thing I'm not king. :)

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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    edited February 9
    stever said:

    You are thankful that cigarettes aren't going to be outlawed? Good thing I'm not king. :)

    What cigarette executive ever got prosecuted? Let alone convicted? What cigarette company ever got prosecuted, let alone convicted for their lies, coverups, high crimes & misdemeanors?

    Lol! Is it me getting (the abnormally high) TAXATIONS etc., from current cigarette sales? But think about Gagrices' post on cigarette deaths vs VW's (not measurable) affected diesel N0x? ! As King, you will have to probably figure fast out how to replace the cigarette taxations revenues you would have outlawed ! Not a good problem to have !

    For as many people as cigarette smoking has killed, does it amaze anybody else but me that pot smoking is now legal in at least Colorado?
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Dodge City, KSPosts: 6,374
    Brownies are...not an option. :D

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 37,355
    Every other prohibition has been a laughable and expensive failure, serving as little more than make-work projects for the first class sector. Why would this be different?

    Regarding the claims from the Eurodrone academics, I wonder if it is more new math coupled with not addressing the test cycle vs real world emissions. Maybe the tests are broken? Nah, that would mean the EUSSR nanny state is wrong about something.
    stever said:

    You are thankful that cigarettes aren't going to be outlawed? Good thing I'm not king. :)

  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 17,197
    edited February 9
    Three Reasons To Never Buy A New Car!
    http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Saving-Money/2016/0208/Three-reasons-to-never-buy-a-new-car

    But, think about it, even @ a record 17.5 M new cars sold in 2015: not many know how many USED cars were sold, which is the MUCH bigger number! Another thought: even at a 2015 record, it is only 6.5% of the 2013 PVF (269.3 M). That % percentage is barely above replacement.

    With 3 to 5% of the PVF being diesel, it's going to be around for a very long time!
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,032
    Read today that new cars are for poor people. Not sure what that has to do with buying diesels though.

    Diesel Fiat 500X has excess emissions, German lobby group claims (autonews.com)

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 37,355
    Likely a real world vs test cycle issue there. DUH once had claims about a 6 year old C-class that seem to have vanished - not exactly an impartial source.

    The greenies who have done so much need to address the tests if they don't agree, rather than making dramatic claims about logical non-issues.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 50,032
    edited February 9
    It's good to see - they need to tweak the tests to get closer to the real world results, or just test the ones on the roads. Reminds me of all the tweaks the EPA has had to do over the years to try to get mpg ratings that are somewhat real. Too bad it's too expensive just to have the regulators do all the testing in the first place.

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