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New Honda Insight 5-passenger Hatchback

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  • lucien4lucien4 Posts: 56
    If any dealer is asking markup I'd go to another dealer hat doesn't (at least I've heard of some dealers that don't). Even if supply might be tight in the beginning.

    Second a $1500 markup would make it more expensive than a Civic Hybrid (which according to Edmunds is selling around $21,500). Also the current Prius is discounted as mentioned.

    The next Prius will be more expensive than the Insight but has better mileage (50mpg vs 41mpg), back seats are roomier and more powerful engine (1.8l engine vs 1.3l). So it depends what you are looking for. The Insight should win economically since most won't recoup the extra costs of the Prius III unless gas prices go substantially up and you drive lots of miles.

    Motortrend will be posting 2 comparison video's of the next Prius and Insight. First overview part is posted on motortrend.com/youtube.
  • As frugal es the Insight might be, and I am thinking that 50 MPG will be easily achieved by most drivers, the price differential between a Yaris and the Insight can't be recouped IMHO.

    I would love the great MPG of the Insight (some articles talk about members of the press achieving more than 60 Mpg on an introduction of the cat I believe in Arizona recently).

    For me a Yaris makes more sense as it costs much less.

    42 MPG or more was the mileage my rental AT Yaris got recently, with ambient temperatures around freezing. I'll bet I can get 45 MPG in summer.
  • lucien4lucien4 Posts: 56
    Agree you wouldn't quickly recoup costs against cheapest entry-level Yaris starting at $13K, however if you compare it against more comparable 5dr Yaris with automatic+power at around $16K you would (and still it's smaller and has less features).
    Plus if you get sales tax exemption (like in WA) you would recoup the costs in 7 years at 15K miles. If gas goes up back to $4 you can reduce that to 3-4 years.

    Autobloggreen got 63mpg and I think most should be able to beat 50mpg in mixed driving with econ on.

    Some dealers got Insights today. Here's 1 dealer that got 16 cars according to their inventory: http://www.priorityhonda.com/new_honda_insight_inventory.php
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Of course that 16k+ Yaris with auto, cruise, power, and keyless can be had for $13300 (see link below at Fitzmall). If you go for the manual transmission stripper, it is under $12k with the present discounts.

    So comparing the 13.3k Yaris to the Insight LX at MSRP would save about $7200 and you would even get cruise control with the Yaris. Still very difficult to justify on cost alone.

    Toyota Yaris
  • rookie60rookie60 Posts: 39
    I have already ordered my Insight. All dealers in Minnesota are sticker price. They will be coming in very sporatically for the first 6 months. More demand than supply. Hence, sticker price. Not over sticker price. I drove a new Insight today. Nice car. Light years ahead of the goofy Yaris with the speedo in the middle. Also, remember that 5-6 years down the road, the Honda will sell for a LOT more than the Yaris. I was pleasantly surprised by the comfort and driveability of the Insight. I anxiously await the car that I ordered to come in.
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    And remember that $7200 now will be worth a lot more than $7200 in 5-6 years when it is invested and not expensed on a quickly depreciating vehicle. If fuel efficiency improvements to hybrids and electric plug in vehicles continue, neither will probably be worth too much in years to come. Also if Toyota lowers the price of the Prius to Insight levels as is being reported, Insights will soon sell at invoice or less. At that price, the Insight may not be such a bad economical choice. Let the early adopters take the hit and the bargains will be here soon.
  • lucien4lucien4 Posts: 56
    I don't really get the comparison to the Yaris. If it's really about cheapest car then buy a Versa for under $10K (plus discount potentially). I could see the comparison with the Fit which is more similar in size and features. Someone who buys an Insight certainly doesn't buy it just for lower price.

    The demand in Japan for the Insight was 3x higher as expected so I would be surprised if you wouldn't see supply issues here in the US eventually as well (same factory). But in this economy no one can predict demand but at least pre-orders appear to be filled about 80% and the car only showed up in the showrooms few days ago.
  • Real world MPG with the VERSA is really bad compared to the YARIS, IMO.
  • rookie60rookie60 Posts: 39
    Honda Insights have arrived in Minnesota. Dealers will be getting 5-9 per month for approximately the first 6 months or so. They all will get sticker price for them. None will ask for more than sticker. If you wait a year or so I am sure you could get one for less than sticker. However, with the low supply now, there is more demand than the dealers can supply. I drove an Insight yesterday. VERY nice car. Mine will arrive soon. Then I will know what the REAL gas mileage is. Somewhere between 40 and 63 I am told. Price and mileage are not the only criteria for buying any car. You have to like the car FIRST. The Insight is a nice car.
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    I suspect that there will be many Honda fans who are looking for a small, economical Honda Hatch that will be torn between the 2010 Insight and the 2009 Fit. At least that description fits me & I am hope to purchase one of these two cars in the next year. There may even be a few Fit owners who dump their Fit for the "greener" Insight. How about a separate topic for "Fit vs Insight" where the above folks can post their findings, observations, & comments? Thanks!
  • rookie60rookie60 Posts: 39
    Interesting thought. I considered both the Fit and the Insight. If I had already bought a Fit, I would not change. Both are hatchbacks. Both have room. I personally like the looks of the Insight better than the Fit. I also prefer the dash in the Insight although I know a lot of people do not care for the speedo on top. I do. It would take 5-6 years to recoup gas savings so that is not much of a concern. I do like the idea of great mileage on the Insight. I also like the style of the Insight. The Fit is a bit "frumpy" for me. Performance is about the same. Longer wheelbase in the Insight may allow it to ride better. My ordered Insight will arrive in June. I have a friend who has a Fit. We will see.
  • jkenn49jkenn49 Posts: 5
    I know most people won't think it's a big deal, but I had the first testdrive at Dix Honda in State College, PA. We were stopping to drive a used 2009 Corolla and used 2007 Civic. I wasn't expecting to see the car until Earth Day, but the Insight arrived there today and had only been driven by the mechanic that gave it a state inspection. It was raining unfortunately, so we didn't get a chance to really go over the car, but my wife and I drove it about 5 miles each. I wish I could say I love the car, because I was really looking forward to driving it. Most people will say it rides fine, and it is ok, but I thought it was not nearly as nice a ride as the Corolla or Civic. I'm used to driving small cars, so acceleration isn't that big a deal to me. The one thing I really did not like was trying to look out the back hatch window. There is some kind of bar across the middle that really hinders your view, and because of the slope it is really hard to see.
    Sorry to say, even though we had been considering the Insight as our next vehicle, for the money, it makes more sense to buy a year old Corolla. If the money was even, I'd prefer the Civic, but Corolla's are dirt cheap right now - not exactly sure why.
  • dweiserdweiser Posts: 288
    I hope this helps with the Fit vs. Insight thread. I have an 09 Fit Sport, auto, w/Navi (Navi only for the stability control), with 990 miles that I will trade in on the Insight tomorrow. I've owned the Fit since 10/01/08 and I really like it. I get around 34 m.p.g. with the Fit on short trips here in the mountains of western North Carolina. I hope I like the Insight as much as I've enjoyed the Fit. I'll post again with my impressions and m.p.g. from the Insight after I drive it for a week or so.
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    Donald: Congratulations on two new cars in the less than 6 months! With only 990 miles on your Fit, I would guess that the Insight was on your radar before you bought the Fit & you indicate you really like the Fit. I am curious why you are so quick to dump it for the Insight. I will be very interested in hearing your comparisons, especially after you have 900 miles on the Insight
  • Yeah, Toyota has some great incetives on 2009s right now.
    How did the insight look? Tiny? Stylish? Was it an LX or a EX?
    What color?
  • lucien4lucien4 Posts: 56
    Note I collected most info on Insight 2010 in my blog here:

    http://lucienk.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!A4AE3FB12A26635!952.entry

    It also includes pdf link to US Insight manual. Honda's Insght site is up as well now where you can see all colors.

    The lease offer for $229 seems pretty good deal although not sure if every dealer will offer it (since it says that in the fine print that there's a cost reduction by dealer participation).

    Do people have to wait and order it? I thought most dealers get relatively big inventory unless those are already completely presold.
  • jkenn49jkenn49 Posts: 5
    The Insight looked very stylish and did not seem small inside or outside, but the rear leg room was not nearly as much as a lot of other small cars. We drove the EX - I believe sticker was $21,800. Considering you can buy a 2009 Corolla LE with less than 20k miles for under $14k, and a low-mileage 2008 Prius for close to $18,500, I would have a tough time justifying the additional cost. I understand there are people that would always prefer a Honda to Toyota and that's fine, but $8,000 is a lot of money for me. It's going to come down to personal preference.
  • I got to go see one. It definitely has a premium and the used Corolla seems like a better deal. Does it look better in any color than blue? Also do the wheels look cheap?
  • rookie60rookie60 Posts: 39
    I drove the Insight last Monday. Nice car. Plenty of front seat leg room. Rear is a little cramped. I am 5' 9" and my head almost touched the roof in the back. A 6' person would hit their head in back. Car was extremely comfortable in front. I am surprised how comfortable it was to drive. A couple of different dealers told me they would only get about 5-9 cars per month for the first 6 months or so. They have waiting list of 40-50 people so don't expect to go down to the dealer today to pick one up. If you want one, go to the dealer and get on a list. You can get $5,000 off on an Odessy. Nothing off on a Fit or an Insight. I like the USB port to hook up my ipod. Nice feature. Car was semi-quiet. Slight buzzing of the engine. Not objectionable. Tons of high tech settings to look over. A tech nerds dream for setting up displays. You don't have to but the options are there. Price is reasonable. I expect resale in 4-6 years will be excellent.
  • Nice. Any opinion on the exterior styling? Wheels? I almost stopped by the Honda Dealership to take a look. With gas going up and Obama's new mandate I would :) expect Hybrid sales to go up.
  • rookie60rookie60 Posts: 39
    Exterior is nice. That is what the hybrid airflow shape dictates. I prefer the Insight over the Fit. The wheels appear small. Not a bad design though. Bet the farm that gas prices will go up. It is not Obama that will raise prices. Chinese and other third world countries demanding gas, new federal gas taxes, and inflation from the stimulus package will do that. Also, OPEC is cutting back on production. That also will cause prices to go up. It is a perfect storm for $4.00 per gallon to come back.
  • Yeah, I was reading the Wall Street Journal. Honda predicts they will sell over $3million scooters alone. I think $3 is the normalized price, but we will see.
  • rookie60rookie60 Posts: 39
    $3million scooters????????
    $3 is the normalized price??????

    I don't understand what you mean.
  • dweiserdweiser Posts: 288
    I traded in my 2009 Honda Fit Sport w/Navi on a 2010 Insight, it arrived today. It's been pouring for 3 days here in western NC but I had to take a little drive in the Insight. I loved my Fit, I hope I love the Insight. The Fit was getting 34 m.p.g. and the Insight shows 39.5 m.p.g. after being driven from SC on major highways to be delivered. I expected higher m.p.g. on the Insight to be honest but like everything I have to say, no hasty judgments. The Insight hasn't been with me even 24 hours. The Insight is (to me) a nicer looking vehicle than the Fit which I thought was fine looking. No audio controls on the steering wheel on the Insight EX as there were on the Fit and I already miss that. The Fit had no bad manners, handled well, and was fairly zippy. The Insight is sluggish (w/ECON on), the engine seems to "tremble" a bit when stopped at a light (seems like it's going to stall), the steering is "sloppier" than the Fit's excellent feeling steering, and stopping with regenerative braking is, to be honest, weird. More later as I get used to the Insight. My brother emailed me tonight that Fits are selling for dealer cost. If the Insight moves into the 45 to 55 m.p.g. range I believe I'll love it; if not I'm going to miss the Fit with its "magic seats", handling, peppiness, and stereo steering wheel controls. Even though I'm 63 I'll NEVER buy another vehicle that won't accept/play mp3s from a thumbnail device.
  • lucien4lucien4 Posts: 56
    With most Hybrids you get lower mpg in the break-in period. So that should improve. Pity they don't have audio control buttons on steering wheel with the EX without Navi (in Europe they do). I can definitely see that it takes some time getting used to a Hybrid coming from the non-Hybrid Fit. Imagine previous gen Hybrids had even less road feel (e.g. Prius I...). I had no trouble getting used to drive Civic Hybrid.

    According to the manual it should play MP3/WMA/AAC from USB (EX). Do you have an LX? In that case I guess you have to resort using data CD (which can play both MP3/WMA). Or there's also an auxiliary input jack that might be an option.
  • dweiserdweiser Posts: 288
    I see my last sentence was confusing. I can listen to my MP#s with my Sandisk thumb USB device plugged in. I could in my Fit Sport and I can in my Insight EX. I wasn't very clear about that. I should have said something like, I have enjoyed listening to my MP3s (with the random selection - like shuffle on an iPOD) so much in the Fit & the Insight that I'll never own another vehicle (in the future) that doesn't have that functionality. I owned a $100,000 Porsche 911 C4 not long ago and it didn't play MP3s AND the Random playback had to be RE-SET every time the car was started! Give me a break!! I joked my $15,000 Honda Element had a more sophisticated audio than my $100,000 Porsche! Sorry for being so long-winded.
  • lucien4lucien4 Posts: 56
    Ah got it. Thanks for the review by the way:-). Keep us updated on the mileage.
    So far I've heard from someone else he got 52mpg on the highway on his test drive but real-world conditions can vary and the average mpg can be quite different.
  • Thanks for the update. Pretty amazing that there is finally a Hybrid for the masses. Hopefully they will sell a ton. :)
  • bmoore1bmoore1 Posts: 1
    I test drove one today in SoCal (Miller Honda on Van Nuys). Nice car. Pretty zippy to drive. Loads of room in the front. A bit cramped in back. The materials are slightly cheap inside. The look outside is great. Very sleek.

    The only problem was the price... they were asking $3,500 above MSRP. The sales guy said it was a premium because they'd only gotten five and already sold 3. He didn't expect the premium to decrease any time soon.

    His boss confirmed their strategy of raising the price although he said maybe they could lower it "a little bit." He said the Priuses also were selling for above MSRP as a point of comparison.

    I was kinda turned off at that point. I see that carsdirect.com also quotes the sticker price. $3.5K premium? That's over 15% of the car.

    Another potential buyer who was also looking had the exact same reaction.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,572
    The Prius isn't selling above MSRP... Heck, Toyota even has a $1000 rebate on it!

    New models in short supply always go for a premium.... If you have to be the first one on the block, then you'll pay that premium...

    I'd rather wait 6 months and pay $4000 less, personally..

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