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The Rebirth of Buick.........

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,000
    Well yeah, that whole 350 thing was a little joke. But I still think this new Regal should come with a standard engine that's a cut above the likes of the Malibu, Camry, Accord, Fusion, etc. And if it only has 182 hp standard, that's not really a cut above. Isn't the Accord's 4-cyl up to something like 192 hp these days?
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    ".....I assume you're joking because, otherwise, how do you reconcile 350 with the government's fuel economy standards? "

    Well, we're old school. There is NO reconciling the government's FE with performance. I say reproduce the Stage 3 455, and FI the engine. Start with that, and move up from there.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,205
    The Accord LX 4 cylinder has 177 hp and the EX has 190 so, you're right, the naturally aspirated Regal is a little weak by comparison. Of course, there are other factors, in addition to horsepower, to consider in a car comparison, but I also read that the rear seat leg room of the Regal will be rather tight. That would be two deficiencies that the Regal would have to compensate for, when compared with the Accord.

    Now, unusual as it may seem, Buick has sometimes scored higher than Honda on reliability in the past couple of years, but I don't know just how (uh) reliable that information is. Besides, it's too early to know how reliable the Regal will be.

    Could it be that the Regal will surprise us and outscore the Accord on handling, ride comfort or fuel economy? I suppose it's possible. The one area where the Regal may have an advantage is in styling. Based on the pictures I've seen, I like the Regal better than the Accord. I'd also vote for the Regal in terms of interior styling.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,205
    How would these engines meet the government fuel economy standards?
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    that I picked up at the library yesterday, which was running a cover story on Hyundai.

    I think Honda and Toyota will be more worried about Hyundai then anything. The Sonata's probably going to have better mpg, power, warranty and lower price when comparably equipped then anything else in the class. Hyundai's main problem may be making enough of them and keeping the quality up
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    "......"Of course, there are other factors, in addition to horsepower, to consider in a car comparison, but I also read that the rear seat leg room of the Regal will be rather tight. That would be two deficiencies that the Regal would have to compensate for, when compared with the Accord.

    Not quite:

    http://www.edmunds.com/new/2011/buick/regal/101249102/VehicleComparison?op=2&tab- =specs&maxvehicles=5&basestyleid=101249102&styleid=101184446&styleid=101138067&v- ehicleindex=2&removestyle=101138067&styleid=101201281

    Front and rear leg room are essentially the same, and a little more luggage room in the trunk of the Regal in a car 4 inches SMALLER.

    And, the 220 horse 4 will more than make up for it, which is standard in the CXL.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    Well, I would assume that a 455 with a 6 speed auto and 3.08 rears would return 22 or 23 on the highway, but when you are capable of pulling 10.5 second quarter miles, WHO CARES!!
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,000
    Well, I would assume that a 455 with a 6 speed auto and 3.08 rears would return 22 or 23 on the highway, but when you are capable of pulling 10.5 second quarter miles, WHO CARES!!

    I imagine they could still build something like that, but it would have to be low volume. And they'd have to build a bunch of economical cars to offset it for CAFE purposes. And as long as they could keep the raw fuel economy numbers above around 18/28 (~15/20 on the window sticker), they'd probably avoid the guzzler tax.

    I wonder if they can make an automatic transmission that skips gears under the right conditions, like that manual can do on the Corvette? That might help boost the fuel economy a bit.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    ".....I imagine they could still build something like that, but it would have to be low volume. And they'd have to build a bunch of economical cars to offset it for CAFE purposes. And as long as they could keep the raw fuel economy numbers above around 18/28 (~15/20 on the window sticker), they'd probably avoid the guzzler tax."

    Andy your heart is in the right place. But alas, I don't think it would ever fit in a car as small as the Regal. Now, if they made some sort of super sedan out of a Lambda platform................ ;)
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,803
    "General Motors announced an attractive price on its 2011 Buick Regal, which is generating a lot of positive buzz. But the automaker likely will lose money or at least not make much on every one it sells in the early going."

    GM Prices Buick Regal; Losing Money on Every One? (AutoObserver)

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  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    That is the unfortunate part of the weak dollar. Who knows, maybe when the Oshawa plant opens, they can make some Insignias here to make up the difference.
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    I'm glad the "attractive price" part wasn't your words! When I saw $27K, I said then what are the 4-cyl Altima, Legacy, and Sonata amongst other competitors?

    This is why GM is going to sell 35K of them; mainly to people who are Buick fanatics or just find something they like about the styling. What Buick needs are models that sell 5-10X that amount! They need some HR's; not a HBP.

    Is this all Buick is offering? No breakthrough to put it above the competition? Want $27K or $30K from me? Show me a car that gets 40mpg with 300hp, or a car that flies or submerges. At least give me some gull-wing doors! Do something other than waste tax-payers $ by producing another in a string of expensive, me-too sedans with no panache.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,205
    Thanks for the comparisons. Glad to see the Regal has decent leg room in the back.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,205
    I checked out the Encore at the Washington Auto Show. It's a polarizing design, as is the Juke, for example, but I think it fits in the Buick lineup as the brand's small car. I'm going to follow it to see how it sells.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,803
    "Buick has had three consecutive years of sales growth and sold more than 180,000 vehicles last year, up about 2% from the previous year and the most for the brand since 2007.

    “What's important about this growth is that so many of our customers are new to the brand. More than 43% of Buick buyers come from non-GM brands, and half of those came from imports,” said Tony DiSalle, Buick’s U.S. marketing manager."

    2013 New York Auto Show: GM debuts Cadillac, Camaro and two Buicks (LA Times)

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  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    Let's hope the Encore sells well enough for them to build it here instead of Korea, seeing as it is based on the Sonic platform.
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