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Hyundai Genesis vs. Audi A6 vs. Lexus GS vs. BMW 5 series



  • mobiusf1mobiusf1 Posts: 15
    I drove both the GS350 and 535xi, and other cars in the segment and easily picked the 535xi which I was fairly confident I was going to pick earlier. M35x, although the 2nd best performer I drove (really enjoyed driving it), is still slightly behind the 535 in terms of performance, the build quality was also lacking in addition to a lack of split folding rear seats (kinda important to me, gives a huge increase in practicality), and not so great gas mileage. A6 looks nice, has a great interior (except for strange omission of auto steering wheel adjustment unless they changed that) and costs a bit less than the 535xi (only the A6 V6 version); but definitely exhibited more body roll in the corners than the 535xi and weaker overall performance

    The 535's engine is simply awesome, its a twin-turbo inline 6, with stronger performance than Audi's V8, and better fuel economy. And the cost advantage for the Audi only comes with the A6's V6 engine.

    MB E Class, forget about it, a joke, and it costs more than the 535, at least the Lexus has a price argument. Lexus GS350, sorry, no way. Its steering is numb compared to the 535xi, noticeably more body roll in the corners, and headroom seemed to be an issue. I don't really need to go into any more about it because if the performance is not there than the other stuff doesn't matter. For others though, this may not matter as much. Lexus and Mercedes Benz don't make cars that fit my idea of enjoyable driving. The 535 is a true sports sedan and I certainly can't say that about the GS350. The iDrive, while it could be a bit more intuitive, is not that bad, and is not a deal breaker by any stretch. In fact I don't mind it at all. And no, the cup holders were not even a consideration, haha.

    This is an honest opinion, no bias, if Lexus made a GS model like their own IS-F against the 535xi, then it would far more difficult.

    Although the 535 has sharp handling, excellent road feel, fantastic engine performance and efficiency, I must also mention that the ride quality is excellent.

    Nothing against the Genesis though, a friend of mine just got one. I would definitely get it over the GS and then buy a used Honda S2000 with the rest (maybe I'd need a bit more, but you get the point). After driving it though I can say that the 535's handling, cornering, and overall performance are quite a bit better. I like it, especially for the price. You've got to understand that the Genesis doesn't, and isn't trying to, compete with the 5 Series; compete with Lexus, yes, but BMW, no.

    I could go into even more details but its late so here it is summed up in 1 simple sentence. If you want a floaty, relaxed (I would say boring) ride take the Lexus, if you want to drive, get the BMW ...and I love to drive.
  • jyymjyym Posts: 26
    Pretty much in line w/ what I think about the cars in the segment.

    The Genesis is not a sports sedan like the 535 and rather is a cruiser w/ a bit of sport (the only sedan that would come close to the 535 in driving dynamics would be the G8 GXP).

    I definitely would pick the Genesis over the E Class and GS350 (caveat: I haven't driven the new E Class and while it is supposed to be greatly improved, it's just too ugly for me to ever consider).

    Now, if BMW could just work on their styling - the new 7 was a disappointment (a bit too bland).
  • nibsnibs Posts: 65
    I too have tested and have taken time to drive many different premium cars. I've also tested the higher end Honda's, Nissan offerings. Although I have not driven the Genesis, I wouldn't consider trading my 530XIT. The XIT is a sleeper wolf among sheep. It may not be the fastest or the sportiest but when taken into perspective it does more than all of the others put together. Handling is awesome, it has loads of interior space, it is quiet and confident on the road. I have the comfort seats, which must have 20 different ways to adjust.

    I found the Mercedes seats to be too hard. The Audi reminds me too much of a VW, just bland and the seats are sized on small end. I have not been able to find that perfect ergonomic position that suits me in any car but the 530. That said, I even tried the latest BMWs and I still prefer my 530.

    Oh, my dog loves it too.
  • art234art234 Posts: 103
    Let me pose a couple of questions here....

    I am looking at the BMW 5 series 528/535 xi vs. the Lexus GS350AWD and the Acura TL. I have driven each and find them comparable--the BMW handles best but is most technologically deficient. It has a single CD, have to pay for a changer, no onboard HDD, no backup camera etc.

    So real world fuel economy--I assume Lexus or Acura gets better real world mileage then either Bimmer...would that be correct?

    Also--has anyone compared the Logic7 audio in the BMW to the Mark Levinson in the Lexus? Music is VERY important to me.

    I have an M35X which I can't WAIT to get rid of -- you can read about THAT in the Infiniti thread.....but I am down to these three choices.....drove the A6 and wasn't too impressed.

    Any help would be appreciated.

  • pg48477pg48477 Posts: 309
    I had an older TL model and the millage was great on the highway but very poor in the city. I now have 535 and the millage is about the same, but performance is better, much better.

    I have Logic7 and do not find it anything special, I heard that Mark Levinson is much better.

    As far as the total package goes, I find 535 the best in a class, GS does not come close and TL is in a different league.
  • nibsnibs Posts: 65
    bmw vs audi vs acura rl

    Get the technology package with the 535 and you'll be happy enough. As for driving, don't let HP and speed fool you. Get that HP to the road is the trick and BMW does it better than any other automaker.

    Good luck with whatever you get. Stay away from Volvo.
  • art234art234 Posts: 103
    What do you mean, Technology Package? I can't find any mention of a technology package on the 5 series...maybe not available in NY? Do you mean Nav?
  • nibsnibs Posts: 65

    The new 5 comes with usb and aux in. Add the Nav, satellite, and bluetooth, what else is there?
  • mobiusf1mobiusf1 Posts: 15
    The 535 is the way to go. Forget about the GS, and the TL is nice but not quite in the same league as the BMW. The 535 gets fantastic fuel economy. I'm getting 24.5 mpg combined driving... and I live in Brooklyn. The Logic7 system for $1200 might or might not be worth. I didn't get it on mine. Its definitely not something to based your choice of car on. If you get the non AWD version of the 535 then get the sport package. Read my post a page or 2 ago about some of the cars in the class, hopefully it helps. And forget about the CD changer. You should just put all your music onto an MP3 player. And by the way, even though BMW says its an iPod usb adapter you can actually plug almost any usb mp3 player into the car and it will allow you to use the steering wheel controls to control the music. I have a sony a810 walkman in there. Works great. Any more questions just ask.
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    Just like everyone else is saying, 5 seri is the best way to go.

    I personally think that the GS and the TL isn't as good as the 5.

    My only concern with bmws is, reliability and electronics, my first impression has not been very nice.

    Other than that, no other sedan is as exciting, especially when you're in the drivers seat.

    There is 1 more car which is about the same size as the 5, only if you're interested, the Jaguar XF, I saw 1 today in white, and I have to say, amazing looking from the rear in white color.

    Looks a lot better than the current 5, and did you know that there will be a redesign 5 sometime this year.
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    If you're interested in the Jag, there is someone in the Jag XF forum who is about to take the new XF or the 535.

    Only if you're interested, otherwise, good luck with the 535i.
  • bruceomegabruceomega Posts: 250

    I have an '08 535Xi.

    On the road, I have gotten as high as 30 mpg at a somewhat steady 74 mph. I typically average about 25 mpg on a trip with no effort to be frugal with the gas pedal. Trip computer shows overall average is 19 mpg, local and highway combined.

    I really like Logic 7. It's much better than the standard audio system in my wife's '06 X3.

    What I like most is Lexicon's Logic 7 surround sound processsing. When engaged, it seems like you are listening in a larger environment than the physical confines of the car itself, and provides a more natural ambiance.

  • art234art234 Posts: 103
    Thanks for the insight. The current thinking is going to be the BMW 5 series vs. the A6 from Audi, which I really liked. The BMW would, however, be a 528, which while not as fast as the 535, is adequate for my needs. My dealer just got a new one in with Logic7, but I have to add the Satellite and CD changer--the hard drive models won't be in for a while and will not likely have the incentives.
  • mobiusf1mobiusf1 Posts: 15
    hey sounds great. Question, have you driven both the 528i and 535i? Just saying, b/c to be honest, the 535 is far faster and gets very similar fuel economy. When your buying a car like this then the extra money shouldn't make that much of a difference because you should get the car you want. Don't compromise. I'm just saying this from my experience. But if your fine with the 528i than all the power to you.
  • art234art234 Posts: 103
    I have decided to wait it out a bit longer....I technically have 3 months left on the Infiniti M lease and in a worst case scenario my wife is willing to drive the M--leaving me with an RX400h which I love.

    I can order a new BMW the way I want it and it would be in just about in time...or wait for the Audis to be updated with the HDD nav system, which is coming for 2010--but I heard they may arrive early.

    I'll keep everyone posted.
  • adamjmankadamjmank Posts: 10
    I am driving my genesis 3.8 for 2 weeks now 1400 miles on it.
    Very disappointed with the bumpy ride ( bounces a lot ) and the dealer has no explanation for this. The car I test drove was not as bumpy. On the streets and highway around the dealership.
    I drive to work on highway 35 miles each way on concrete highway. makes it very bouncy for a 36000 car.

    I replaced my lexus with this and the same trip was much smoother.
    I also feel the rear wheel genesis 3.8 accleration is very less compared to the car I replaced.

    the car itself looks gorgeous in looks. I am still waiting for a resolution from hyundai. for now i am riding it with reduced air pressure although it doesn't help much in ride comfort.

    The tight ride (minus the bumpyness) can be compared with a BMW.
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
    "The Accord is sportier and fun to drive!"

    Funny, I just tried out an 09 V6 and thought it was nice but uninvolving, Maybe I drove too many BMW's. Then again, I was talking to the salesman. Better they should just shut up while you're driving. I thought my 86 Accord coupe was fun, but didn't handle. A flexy flier. It may have been in a wreck as the body was not solid.
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
    Mercedes E-Class and Infiniti M

    Mercedes has had horrendous quality problems and sounds like the battery drains down in just a few days. Infiniti M got rave reviews from Jin Healey @ USA Today, but gets horrible gas mileage.
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
    My daughter has an 06 Sonata, replacing a 97 Camry, one of which we also had. My first impression was that it didn't measure up to the Camry and the ride was too stiff. I drove it again last week and didn't notice those things, except that the seat doesn't go back nearly far enough. She loves it, esp the V6. Performs well. Give the Genisis some time. I'll keep my wifes 03 Avalon with KYB GR2 struts and Energy sway bar bushings, and 31 MPG. Totally different car after the changes. Big change in feel when we replaced the standard 15" wheels with the 16? summer mags too. Fun now. Details in the Avalon forum.
  • prema1prema1 Posts: 21
    I was a life-long BMW driver. I had a 325, 328 and most recently a 330Ci. I was looking at upgrading to a BMW 550i, when I decided to test-drive a Lexus GS460.

    I was totally blown away by the Lexus. Superior build quality, superior handling (with the standard active suspension on the GS460), better steering experience, much more intuitive user interface (I love the touch screen), and much more engaging styling inside and out (matter of taste but comparing them back to back, the BMW design seemed outdated).

    I should comment more on the handling. I am a performance driver. I used to take my 330 to the track. What impressed me about BMW historically is that the suspension is good in almost every setting. Other cars are tuned either for comfort but don't corner well (Benz E500, Genesis) or for performance but give you a jarring ride on bumpy roads (Infiniti M45, Audi A6). BMW 550 has a great balance of comfortable but performance oriented ride. However the GS460 is much better. The cornering experience is much superior due to the active suspension which holds it flat in sports mode. You really feel like you can throw the car around and engage the curves. In comfort mode, the car deals with the bumpy city streets much better than the BMW without losing its basic sportiness. Coming from a BMW330Ci (one of BMWs best non-M cars) I was blown away by the Lexus driving experience compared to BMW.

    The other factor was the electronics. I found the BMW iDrive totally distracting. In my old car tuning the satellite radio was really a pain. I love the intuitiveness of the Lexus touch screen. It's no iPhone, but to draw an analogy, the Lexus feels like using an iPhone while the BMW feels like using a Windows Mobile phone. They deliver almost the same functionality, but the Lexus system is so much easier and more pleasant to use.

    The only downside with the Lexus is the factory tires are not as good as those on the 550 if the 550 comes with Pilotsport 2s. I just upgraded the tires on the Lexus to Michelin PilotSport 2s and that closed the gap. With these tires the Lexus is smooth, grippy (strikingly so in the rain) and has great road feel.
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