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2010 Mazda3

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  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    What kind of milage would you get with a six speed manual on a 2.5 liter, a 5spd manual 2.3L, and a 5spd manual 2.0L?
    I want heated seats and moonroof. So I have to buy a GT. A HB would be lighter. I threw the 2.3 liter in there because there are lots of left overs ,and someone on here have posted you can save alot of dollars on an 09.
    A salesman tells me the milage is the same regardless of the transmission. I don't think so. I'd buy a HB GT to morrow loaded with all the bells and whistles ,if had a six speed manual and a 2.0 liter.Gas is going back up
    again least we forget. :shades:
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    A salesman tells me the milage is the same regardless of the transmission
    Strange.

    Automatics quite often are less fuel efficient than manual transmissions although some automatics (e.g. Honda Civic) are changing this dictum.

    The number of transmission gears is also an important factor; so a 5 speed automatic is often better than a 4 speed. A 6 speed manual is better than both.

    The weight of a car can also be an important factor; less weight uses less fuel. As manufacturers add content to their vehicles, the weight moves in the wrong direction.

    On the other hand, manufacturers are trying to improve fuel efficiency based on public demand so they introduce innovative technologies (e.g. direct fuel injection).

    However, I would not be surprised if there is a 25+% advantage for the 2.0L over the 2.5L Mazda3.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    There is nothing strange about mpg being about the same regardless of transmission. While a manual is theoretically more efficient, manfacturers do not make their manuals with gearing that is designed for efficiency.

    According to EPA figures, there is little difference based on the transmission, but a significant difference between the two engines:

    Mazda 3i: 25/33 w/manual, 24/33 w/auto
    Mazda 3s 21/29 w/manual, 22/29 w/auto
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    You beat me to it.

    The number of gears does not always dictate fuel economy. The gear ratios and final drive ratio often are the deciding factor in fuel economy.
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    Mazda HB Grand Touring w/auto 5spd.
    MSRP $2473.00
    - Discount $743.00
    total $23,622.00
    Add Title $26.00
    dealer prep fees (paperwork) $289.00
    add sales tax $1236.50 (maine) 5 % add Excise Tax 700.00(Town tax)Bring MSRP to town hall for true price.

    Total cost (cash deal also) $25873.50 :confuse: Methinks I'll wait awhile and keep the money in the bank ,or maybe it's safer under the matress. :shades:
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    The number of gears does not always dictate fuel economy.

    Agreed, it does not always dictate fuel economy. Nothing is a 100% but it is sensible to assume a 4 speed automatic is likely to be less fuel efficient than a 6 speed manual in the same car. When comparing the fuel economy of different vehicles, other factors come into play as well as the transmission and number of gears. Otherwise, why are manufacturers like Toyota and Mazda introducing 5, 6 (and in the case of BMW) 7 speed machines?
  • dc_davedc_dave Posts: 51
    I too am really interested in the 2010 3 but no way under these economic times am I going to hand MSRP over to a dealer. I'm going to wait until September - this is when the new Golf/Rabbit/GTI will be released to the US market. I see the 2010 Golf as the only true 5-door competitor to the Mazda 3 and I think this car will make the Mazda dealers work a little harder for our business. Plus, the Golf/Rabbit is suppose to have a TDI version ready at launch.

    Dave in VA
    06 TSX
    08 V70
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Nothing is a 100% but it is sensible to assume a 4 speed automatic is likely to be less fuel efficient than a 6 speed manual in the same car.

    But those are typically not the choices. Long ago one often had a choice between a 3 speed automatic and a 5 speed manual. In those days, I would always choose the manual. In the Mazda3 the auto is now 5 speed and the manual is either 5 or 6.

    In 2005 my wife bought a Jetta, the choices were 5 speed manual or or 6 speed auto. MPG ratings were about the same. The missing gear in the manual was 6th...meaning that the top gear in the manual was equivalent to 5th in the auto.

    In 2007 I bought a Mazda6 and had a choice of 5 speed manual or 5 speed auto. MPG ratings were about the same. With the manual the rpms would be about 25% higher in the top gear. 5th gear in the manual is very close to 4th in the auto.

    I would not be surprised if rpms in top gear are higher in the manual than in the auto, even with a 6 speed manual in the Mazda3.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I'm going to wait until September - this is when the new Golf/Rabbit/GTI will be released to the US market. see the 2010 Golf as the only true 5-door competitor to the Mazda 3 and I think this car will make the Mazda dealers work a little harder for our business

    Well, by then I'm sure the 2010 Mazda3 will just be "another car" to sell as far as a dealer is concerned. Now, if VW brings the new Rabbit to our side of the pond come September, I have no reason to believe that VW will discount those either. This makes even a little savings on a 2010 Mazda3 seem that much larger.

    I agree with you about the Rabbit and the Mazda3 as being the top cars in the "hot hatch" market, especially with VW's improved reliability. Would I buy a Rabbit? Probably not. I have driven one (2007), though, and they are quite impressive.

    Plus, the Golf/Rabbit is suppose to have a TDI version ready at launch.

    You can forget about seeing any savings on those. My local VW dealer is still asking $2,000 over MSRP for the Jetta TDI's right now. Let's see how expensive diesel gets come summer time. If it gets around $5.00/gal like last summer, people may not want to pay a premium price for them. But, who knows!
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    if VW brings the new Rabbit to our side of the pond come September, I have no reason to believe that VW will discount those either. This makes even a little savings on a 2010 Mazda3 seem that much larger.

    I don't think it will take long for discounts to appear on the new Rabbit or the Madzda3.

    My wife wanted the new Jetta in 2005. We ordered one within a month or so of launch, with maybe a token $100 discount. Then a month or so later, I found another dealer 70 miles away had just gotten in exacty what she ordered in and when I contacted them, they offered to sell for below invoice...that was $700-1000 less than the price we were offered on our order. We also got discount financing of 2.9% for 24 months. This was maybe 2 months after launch.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I don't think it will take long for discounts to appear on the new Rabbit or the Madzda3.

    Me neither, but, I suspect in September that a Mazda3 will have a higher discount then a newly arrived Rabbit.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    In the Mazda3 the auto is now 5 speed and the manual is either 5 or 6.
    Actually, considering that there are still plenty of 2009 Mazda3 as well as the incoming 2010 Mazda3 the choices now are 4 or 5 speed automatics and the 5 and 6 speed manuals. Plus, the competition includes models with a similar array of choices. I think it is resonable for consumers to ask about the difference in transmissions and for salesmen to explain their product choices clearly.
  • bettebbetteb Posts: 11
    My local dealer is asking MSRP for the Jetta TDI. There is no shortage of them. If you check out the VW Board, you will see that 2k over MSRP is simply not being charged right now.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    If you check out the VW Board, you will see that 2k over MSRP is simply not being charged right now

    I don't need to check the board here on Edmunds. I just need to place a phone call to my buddy who is a GM at a VW store, in which I just confirmed they have an addendum on all TDI's per the store owners request. And somehow, they get it. :confuse:
  • bettebbetteb Posts: 11
    How strange...I was offered a TDI at MSRP and turned it down.
    Perhaps your buddy was at lunch?
    Or maybe he was on the phone.. :D
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I guess I was deceived by the title of the discussion, I was under the impression that, with regard to transmission choices, we were discussing only those that are available in the 2010 Mazda3 :P ;) .
  • dc_davedc_dave Posts: 51
    Also, with the Honda Insight launch moved up to March 24, I can see this car stealing same sales from the 2010 Mazda 3. I understand that they are not direct competitors but they will be cross shopped and when one sees that they can get an Insight EX for 21.5K they may tell the Mazda dealer who's looking for full MSRP to "take a hike".

    Dave in VA
    06 TSX
    08 V70
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Insight EX for 21.5K they may tell the Mazda dealer who's looking for full MSRP to "take a hike".

    You don't think for one minute that Honda dealers won't ask for full list, or more?? Common....Honda dealers are known for doing that.

    I highly doubt the selling at MSRP thing will last too long.

    As I said, dealers in my area are still charging AT LEAST MSRP, some more, for the TDI Jetta's.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    I was under the impression that, with regard to transmission choices, we were discussing only those that are available in the 2010 Mazda3

    Sorry, it was not I but the original poster who was comparing different engines, transmissions and model years. And that makes a lot of sense. Why wouldn't one compare the 2009 to the 2010? I've been comparing the models since 2002 (when I bought my Protege5, precursor to the Mazda3) and frankly I have not seen any significant improvement in terms of fuel economy. Toyota and Honda have far better records in this domain. How long will it take Mazda to produce a hybrid Mazda3?
  • We compared the 2009 to the 2010. The difference was enough to eliminate the 09. The wife said it was like comparing coach to first class. The interior was much nicer. The drive was quiet in the 10. The suspension was nicer in the 10. The price difference was about 2.8k (so far). We are holding out for a bit less price difference. Also, my son has a 2008 and it rolled 40 feet down our driveway into a neighbor's tree (dummy isn't sure how that happened?). The damage was $4700, the car crumbled like an accordian. The car couldn't have gotten to more than 5-10 mph. The 2010 is supposed to be much stiffer. Perhaps that will help? :(
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Cars are supposed to crumple "like an accordian". They absorb the crash energy so that the occupants do not have to. The increased stiffness is not, I think, related to crumpling of body parts, instead it is related to the ride and handling.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    We are holding out for a bit less price difference.

    Good idea. About a year and a half ago Mazda introduced the 2008, followed 6 months later by the 2008.5 and then again about 6 months later by the 2009 and now about 6 months later we see the 2010 model. Each time there is a new iteration, the previous model has to be moved off the lot quickly, which translates into more deal making. Good luck.
  • tgassetttgassett Posts: 20
    Well, I finally made a commitment on Thursday and brought home my 2010 M3 S Sport automatic today in Crystal White Pearl Mica. I absolutely love the car. I was the first one to buy from my local dealership. If mazda can't sell this car they need to close up shop. I drove an 09 in December trying to decide if I wanted to wait or not. I like the 09 but like a previous post said it is like comparing coach to first class. Boy am I ever glad I waited. It is everything that I was looking for. I have been a Honda guy for years but Honda doesn't really make anything to compare with this car unless you want to talk Civic Si. And it doesn't come in automatic and has very little torque. Different strokes for different folks. You certainly cannot compare this car to the regular Civic or really anything else in the compact class for that matter. If your a doubter, go drive one. I bet you will be impressed.
    Everyone keeps complaining about the gas mileage and says Mazda should make a hybrid. Are you crazy? That is not what this car is about. If you like the car but want better mileage get the i version as it is comparable to the Civic in mileage. The S version mpg is exactly the same as the Civic Si. How can you complain? If you want a hybrid go buy one.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    The pearl white is beautiful!!! I am so glad you got what you wanted.

    But, I am wondering why they chose to make the navigation screen so small?
    It is almost a joke to even have it in the car. Its a little, tiny screen..lol.
  • marsdogmarsdog Posts: 9
    I believe the reason for the small Nav screen is to make it more accessible to everyone. If you look around, most OME Navs are $1500-$2000, while portable units (of similar size to the Mazda3's) are a fraction of those. I think this nav may start a trend to more affordable, smaller units designed to compete with portable units, with all the convenience of a built in unit.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I think what Suzuki did with the SX4 makes the most sense, just put an actual portable unit in, but with a built holder for it. I'd likely not pay for a navigation system, in any case, but I'd at least consider it if it were ~$500 and could be taken out and used on non-driving trips. $1500-2000 for a unit that is permanently installed will never be something of interest to me.
  • marsdogmarsdog Posts: 9
    I know what you're saying but I've been close to buying a portable unit a couple times, but one of the reasons I hold back is it seems like a hassle to remove and hide the unit each time I stop. Personally, I love this built in unit and the fact that it doubles as all my driving info when I don't need the nav... something a portable cannot do. I'd never pay the huge price tag as you mentioned, but since I planned on buying all the gadgets anyway, the cost for the package makes sense for me at least.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    You make a good point. For the money, you get a very nice car. I really wouldn't need a navi unit, I use my iphone. Though, I am try to find a suction cup for it.

    Compared to the Acura TSX, the screen in the mazda is very small. I guess the location of the screen works okay, because you could be driving and glancing at the screen to find a location.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    Everyone keeps complaining about the gas mileage and says Mazda should make a hybrid.

    Q: Why do you think "everyone keeps complaining about the gas mileage"?
    A: Because we all fear that the days of cheap gas are numbered. Once OPEC returns to $4 gas, we'll all be singing the praises of fuel efficiency again.
  • tgassetttgassett Posts: 20
    A: Because we all fear that the days of cheap gas are numbered. Once OPEC returns to $4 gas, we'll all be singing the praises of fuel efficiency again.

    I am all for fuel efficient vehicles. That was a very important factor for me as I was making my buying decision as my friends pushed me toward a 17-18 city mpg v-6 car. What I am saying is that everyone wants the power, sport, handling, and solid feel, you get with a bigger engine and more solid vehicle like the Mazda 3. But on the same hand they also want 30 mpg city and 40 mpg hwy. That combo just really doesn't exist. Let me clarify that, it does not exist in this price range. Sure if you want to drop TDI money on a Volkswagen or similar vehicle you can sort of have your cake and eat it too but I didn't want to spend over approx $20k. For what I paid I can buy a lot of $4 fuel. I am very satisifed with my purchase in all facets. I am not saying that just because I have a big grin on my face.
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