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2010 Mazda3

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  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    My Mazda 3 I New Value 08 is a nice car but, I want a hatch. The problem is I only have 4701 miles on it and it books for $15475.
    So for the first time in 6 years I went over to a V Dub dealer. I looked at a Rabbit S auto, power seats. heated seats, mirrors and sunroof.The price $19325.00
    What scared me was 170 HP and low MPG. Then I looked at the GTI loaded $23.200. Mazda prices can't compare to VW's I dont think.(no salesman came out they were a watching TV. I was wondering if my Type S is getting 31 highway and is the best HB I ever owned ,where have all the Hatches gone.If the GTI is geared like my Type S I bet I could get decent milage and more standard bells and whistles than Mazda and at a way better price.

    Mazda won't deal at all.Am I crazy but I thought car dealers were in rough shape sales wise. Mazda said , if you don't take the gas grille we will take $500.00 of the GT HB I was interested in.
    Lastly, I went over to Saturn, they have a HB called Astra 3dr. or 5 door and a salesman came out.They both come with heated seats ,lumbar support, but you can only get moonroof on 5 door. Actually the car is an Opel.Sharp cars for $20K,but 1.8 liter engines. handles like a sports car though.
    Well, I'am waiting untill September untll Mazda gets off it's high horse.Also, in 2010 I hope Ford is smart enough to bring the HB Fiesta over.
    Lastly, I think Ford and especially Acura goofed dropping its hatches :confuse: .
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    Right now gas here is $1.99 and Diesel is $2.54.
    Yup, I think gas is giong up near $3. ,or $ 4.00 again . Then Diesel will be $5.50 or better. Then would you want a TDI? I don't think so.
    However, this being ST. Paddy's Day I will Spend $9.00 for a rack of Guiness. :shades:
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    However, this being ST. Paddy's Day I will Spend $9.00 for a rack of Guiness.

    Sounds good to me. Cheers!!
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    That combo just really doesn't exist ... in this price range.
    Hmmm... As we all know car manufacturers choose different vehicles for different markets. In Canada Mazda has introduced the Mazda3 GX 2.0L engine as a fuel efficient cheaper alternative to the 2.3L and 2.5L versions. In the UK and elsewhere, there are the Mazda2 and the Mazda3 diesel; both of which are more fuel efficient while being affordable and zoom-zoom capable. Meanwhile, competitors like Honda are providing options like the Civic hybrid as cheaper alternatives to the Prius for our marketplace.

    My sense is that not enough of dealers are hearing that fuel efficiency is a key driver in our decision making. Consider the last time you've seen an ad for a car praising its lightness and consequently its fuel efficiency.

    Finally, a little disclosure: my 2002 Mazda Protege5 automatic is a treat to drive and averages 25 mpg overall. The P5 became the Mazda3 S in 2004. In the latest (April 2009) Consumer Reports, the Mazda3 S Grand Touring Hatchback was rated at 25 mpg; CR notes "Highs: Handling, powertrain, braking, reliability, standard ESC; Lows: Road noise, instrument contrast, unimpressive fuel economy".
  • dc_davedc_dave Posts: 51
    Q: Why do you think "everyone keeps complaining about the gas mileage"?
    A: Because we all fear that the days of cheap gas are numbered. Once OPEC returns to $4 gas, we'll all be singing the praises of fuel efficiency again.


    Do you know what the 2010 Chevy Camaro V6 and the 2010 Mazda3 2.5 have in common? They have the same HWY EPA fuel economy numbers, both get 29 MPG. Of course, the Camaro also has 304 HP.

    Dave in VA
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    What's a Canadian Mazda GX compared to the cars Mazda offers here? Is it a S or 3 model?
    When I bought my Type S it didn't have heated seats ,but the Canadian model did.
    TY
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    With a manual, that camaro is rated at 25 mpg hwy. I wonder how they got it up to 29, with the automatic?
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    Dave, maybe if the Camaro is a six speed and your'e driving it like "Granny Grunt" 45 mpg you'll get 29 mpg.
    The Camaro is a muslcle car and a fun ride. I get on I 70 with my 200 HP Type S and it wants to go,but not 45 miles an hour,rather 75miles an hour. No way do I get 29 mpg @ 75, I do at 60 though.Out west some states are'nt posted. I drove from Arizona to Vail . When I hit the Gun Barell 80 miles of road kill and desert I was averaging 85 to 100.
    No way ,if you live in Wyoming,New Mexico, or CO and CA arwe you going to drive like Granny . You'll get run over. NO 304 HP car is bought with gas milage in mind.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    What's a Canadian Mazda GX compared to the cars Mazda offers here? Is it a S or 3 model?

    The GX is the 2.0L Mazda3 with 148 hp and 135 lb.ft. of torque. It's available as a sedan (called Mazda 3 GX) or a hatchback (called the Mazda3 Sport GX). The GX model is over a thousand dollars cheaper than the pricier GS and GT versions of the Mazda3. For more information, Google Mazda Canada.

    By the way, my 2002 Mazda Protege5 automatic is also a 2.0L but it outputs only 130 hp and 135 lb. ft. of torque. Its curb weight is 2749 lb; compare that to the 3077 lb. Mazda3 S GT automatic which is approx. 330 lbs heavier!

    I'd argue that bigger is not better in this case. Imagine if the 2010 Mazda3 was lighter than its predecessor? Wouldn't that make it more agile, more fuel efficient, more zoom zoomier?
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    Thanks, if i known that I would of looked into a Canadian purchase. I live in Maine in the summer and close to the boarder.
    I agree if the 2010 Mazda 3 were lighter you would get alot zoom with gusto.Why can't they gear a 6 spd mazda 3 HB with the 2.0 and have a cold weather package and sunroof as an option?. No they want you to go to a S model.
    I have had 2 RX 7"s a GX and and GXL and a Mazda 323 HB(I wish they made it now) I always liked the protege ES too.This Maxzda 08.5 New value I can't get my golf clubs in the trunk, let alone my mother in law.
    I'm going to wait as much as I fear Volkswan Das Auto. You get what is optionable On a Mazda GT HB standard for $19600.00 now. I went to VW dealer yesterday. Also they have a 7 speed DGB transmission coming.,That Rabbit had heated seats and a sunroof standard. :confuse: .
  • dc_davedc_dave Posts: 51
    Dave, maybe if the Camaro is a six speed and your'e driving it like "Granny Grunt" 45 mpg you'll get 29 mpg.
    The Camaro is a muslcle car and a fun ride. I get on I 70 with my 200 HP Type S and it wants to go,but not 45 miles an hour,rather 75miles an hour. No way do I get 29 mpg 75, I do at 60 though.Out west some states are'nt posted. I drove from Arizona to Vail . When I hit the Gun Barell 80 miles of road kill and desert I was averaging 85 to 100.
    No way ,if you live in Wyoming,New Mexico, or CO and CA arwe you going to drive like Granny . You'll get run over. NO 304 HP car is bought with gas milage in mind.

    I hear you - I'm sure those EPA numbers are probably on a downhill, coasting at 45 MPH, still EPA fuel economy numbers are all about playing the game and GM really did a good job to get a 29 Hwy MPG EPA rating.

    I know that the 3 and Camaro are not direct competitors but you would be surprised who many people shop for cars simply based on their price point. Since there is a bit of overlap with their prices - some will cross shop the two.

    Dave in VA
  • zar1zar1 Posts: 24
    Apparently enough '08 & '09 inventory has been moving out for Mazda to introduce special financing on the 2010's, 2.9% 36/mos. and 4.9% 60/mos. Not great, but not bad either given it's just been introduced. Local internet pricing has also come down to Invoice +$200.
    Inventory in the SD area as of yesterday: '08-3, '09-153, '10-118. The 4 dr. has about the same number of '09's as '10's, 98 vs. 95. For the 5 drs. it's 55 vs. 23. The 5 drs. seem to have arrived more recently. I hope there will be more incentives in April. We'll see. . .
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    Zar, go to Car and Driver site and build a Rabbit 4 door 2.5L 6 speed tip tronc 170 HP. In other words compare it to the Mazda S HB 4 dr. 2010 $ 3300.00 less and the 2010 is coming is the best selling car in its class in Europe.Also the price I gave you has more options than Mazda.
    I never liked V Dubs, but, I think they will make Mazda come down alot.
    Also, I'm trying one and most likely switch to VW when 2010 gets here.
    Hey try a build on the 2door both rockets. :shades: :
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    The Mazda3 has always sold well in Canada and this year it reached the top of the car sales followed by the Toyota Corolla in 2nd place and the Honda Civic in third. Canadians love small cars.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Zar, go to Car and Driver site and build a Rabbit 4 door 2.5L 6 speed tip tronc 170 HP. In other words compare it to the Mazda S HB 4 dr. 2010 $ 3300.00 less and the 2010 is coming is the best selling car in its class in Europe.Also the price I gave you has more options than Mazda.

    What are you talking about??? According to VW's website, a 4-door Rabbit with 17" alloy wheels (standard on Mazda3, option on Rabbit) is $20,690 MSRP. A 2010 Mazda3 s Sport 5-door is $20,200 MSRP. Where is the $3,300 difference you are talking about? I hope not the $16,300 strippy base model that has absolutely no equipment!!
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    Avi , I built a 2010 Rabbit 4 dr 5cyl 170 HP Base price $1930.00 I loaded it with the same as the Mazda 3 S Grand Touring HatchBack. I added sun roof heated seats@ mirrors,. 6peed Tip,floormat pkg,17" alloys.Everything Mazda had and the price was $21,179.00 I left out ground effects ,dual pipes etc.
    Go to Car and Driver and you can build a 2dr(no armrest) or 4 dr. HB. This car is coming soon,but the Polo is not going on line untill Oct. Chill take a Tylenol. I like natural aspirated cars too.
    However, V Dub could bring Mazda prices down. I think a Mazda speed is built on the same idea as the 2010 VW I built.
    Well, for all you do this Guiness I'm drinkin' is for you :shades:
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I'm not sure we are comparing apples to apples.

    All that I have seen shows that the cars are priced the same, with the Mazda giving you more features at the GT level.

    Since details about the North American Polo are not known, I guess it is irrelevant at this time.

    As for the Mazdaspeed3, it can be had for less money then a GTI when comparably equipped.
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    Shipo or Avi can you guys go to Mazda wheel and Tires Forum as I'm not laying out $224.00 for tire sensors.I want to put the Eagles back on when I head east.
    Thanks
  • In avi's defense, I work a Mazda/VW Dealer in St. Peters, MO. The 2010 MZ3 and the 2009 Rabbit are in two very different leagues, and it can only be experienced by driving them both back to back. The HP/TQ delivery on the two cars is very different, as is throttle response, steering feel and feedback, ride quality, build quality, etc. The 2010 MZ3 is so vastly improved over the 2009 model that they can hardly even compare. The new MZ3 is so much more refined, but it still hasn't lost that fun to drive factor that those of us who have experienced it have come to know and love. I own a 2007 Mazda3, and would give it up in a heartbeat for a 2010 MZ3. I would not, however, trade it for a Rabbit, or even a GTI for that matter. The VW's just are too different. It's really a matter of taste.

    And as far as equipment goes, other than the lack of heated seats, a MZ3 S Sport 5 door with the Bose/Roof package has all that a Rabbit with all available options has going for it and more, and the prices are more than comparable. You can't get leather in a Rabbit at all, unless you count a GTI, and if you go that route you are in the upper $26k range MSRP (at least from what I can recall, I don't feel like parusing the back lot right now).
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    Well, for the MZ3 Grand Touring you get all the goodies for 24k plus change right.As far as your sport goes you can put heated seats in for $850.00, and are you talking manual or tiptronic. Also, how can an auto tranny get the same milage as a manual?
    I think Mazda has it right finally. I wonder what Honda and Toyota will do?
    Does mazda offer the 2.3 still?They might have all 3, 2.0 ,2.3,and a 2.5liter. I would prefer engines as an option though. I forgot the Rabbit has heated seats. I priced one with Moonroof and heated seats no arm rest $19600.00 MSRP. I think you're right ,but
    I have to check mpg for both. :shades:
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    Also, how can an auto tranny get the same milage as a manual?

    It's not uncommon for this to happen these days. In fact, some auto transmissions even get BETTER mileage than their manual counterparts. The 6-speed automatic is now becoming commonplace, replacing the ancient 4-speeds that have been used for what seems like forever. More ratios mean better acceleration and better fuel economy. Also, automakers can have better control with engine/drivetrain electronics if it has the ability to assign a certain gear at any time, also helping with mileage and overall performance.

    Are they good enough to abandon the three-pedal setup altogether? Not in my book, not by a long shot. For the point-A-to-point-B driver? I'd think so...
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,966
    This is a big country. Just because dealers are doing something in CT doesn't mean that is the case everywhere or even anywhere else. In Chicago area TDIs are going for invoice or below. The Sportwagons are still going for MSRP or slightly lower because they are still in limited quantities in comparison to the sedans.
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    I think you are right on.I can't find a an 09 Mz3 Grand Touring left within 200 miles . So i gave up.Also, Mazda isn't dealing as far as I can see.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    For those of you old enough to remember, the stylish Scirocco coupe is back. Interesting alternative to the Mazda3 GT or maybe even the Mazdaspeed3. And that front fascia is like the evil brother of the 2010 Mazda3. :)
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Do you know something I don't know? I ask because the last I heard, there was about a zero percent chance that VW was going to bring the new Scirocco to North America. I find that particularly dissappointing as I bought a brand new 1979 Scirocco many years ago and other than the fact that it didn't have A/C, it was one of the most enjoyable cars to drive I've ever had the pleasure to experience.

    Long story short, I'd buy one in a heart-beat if they were to bring it over here. ;)

    Best regards,
    Shipo
  • relldonrelldon Posts: 8
    Does anyone know from their own experience owning a 2010 Mazda 3 i if the real world MPG of the car exceeds the EPA designated mileage? I'm interested in performance but I'm also interested in MPG.
  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 472
    2010 3i has the same engine as the 2003 - 2009. See other threads on real world Mz3 mpg. In short, the EPA estimates are about right, and many are able to exceed them with a little effort.
  • marsdogmarsdog Posts: 9
    I just picked up my new 2010 MZ3 s GT Auto last night :shades: and I'll be following the mpg closely and provide updates. This of course, doesn't provide alot of data, but in my freeway commute (approx 45 miles) the MID showed an mpg average in the low 30's. I stress, this was just freeway driving and I was consciously driving conservatively, though averaging just under 70mph. More data to come
  • hiwaystarhiwaystar Posts: 10
    Fully loaded with Bose and Tech package. MSRP 25600 and change. Don Miller Mazda of Madison took 24,670 for a brand new (no miles) or they offered another $700 off for a Demo with 700 miles on it. I took the demo becuase it was Graphite which was my preference. Can't wait to pick it up. My only worry is will it handle our Wisconsin winters adequately enough.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "My only worry is will it handle our Wisconsin winters adequately enough."

    Given how incredibly terrible the tires were that came on the previous generation of Mazda3, my bet is that the tires that are coming on your new ride will be just as lousy in winter conditions. That said, if you simply upgrade the rubber with something of a higher quality, you should be good to go.

    I yanked the Goodyear Eagle RS-As off of the 2009 Mazda3 that I bought in November after only 714 miles and replaced them with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires, and the difference, even on dry pavement, was astounding. I've driven 11,000 miles since mid-November on the Michelins, and over that period of time we had nearly 100 inches of snow here in New Hampshire. So far at least, the new tires haven't missed a beat. :)
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