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2010 Mazda3

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  • zar1zar1 Posts: 24
    After shopping some dealers this weekend I noticed that some 2010 Mazda 3's that I had previously seen publicly displayed were not out on the dealer's lots. I asked if the cars had been sold and was told that they were ordered by Mazda to remove them from sale until a small replacement part was shipped from Mazda. I was then shown the cars in a back lot with signs saying "Hold from Sale pending Part Replacement from Mazda". The dealer would not identify the part and was hesitant to call it an official recall but unofficially, that's what they referred to it as and they reported that it was only in effect for certain V.I.N.'s. Can any of you insiders shed some light on what this is about? Thanks.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    There is a recall on the wiring harness related to the starter motor. Depending on the VIN, it's either a small replacement clip that clips into the starter or the complete starter wiring harness. There is a potential for the car to stall and not restart.
  • zar1zar1 Posts: 24
    Thanks Avi, you always come through with the straight scoop! :)
  • zar1zar1 Posts: 24
    I see Mazda and the NHTSA have released official information today. Ref. Mazda Recall # 5409D, NHTSA Campaign ID # 09V126000. Recall to begin May 6th of all 2010's sold to date. (www.safercar.gov). I know that recalls on new models are not uncommon. I just hope that this is the only issue and not a sign of any future, as yet, undiscovered problems.
  • zar1zar1 Posts: 24
    Office of Defects Investigation (ODI)
    Recalls - Search Results

    1 Record(s) Displayed.
    Report Date : April 21, 2009 at 08:52 AM
    NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 09V126000
    Vehicle Make / Model: Model Year(s):
    MAZDA / MAZDA3 2010
    Manufacturer: MAZDA MOTOR CORP Mfr's Report Date: APR 15, 2009
    NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 09V126000
    N/A
    NHTSA Action Number: N/A
    Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
    Potential Number of Units Affected: 25400
    Summary:
    MAZDA IS RECALLING 25,400 MY 2010 MAZDA3 VEHICLES. A CLEARANCE BETWEEN THE ENGINE HARNESS AND THE HOUSING OF STARTER MOTOR MAY BE INSUFFICIENT. DUE TO THIS, THE COVERING OF THE HARNESS MAY BE DAMAGED THROUGH VIBRATION DURING OPERATION POSSIBLY CAUSING A SHORT-CIRCUIT BETWEEN CERTAIN HARNESS WIRES AND THE STARTER HOUSING. A SHORT-CIRCUIT CAN RESULT IN ENGINE CONTROL MALFUNCTION AND/OR POOR SHIFT QUALITY.
    Consequence:
    THE MAIN FUSE MAY BLOW OUT CAUSING THE ENGINE TO STALL AND INABILITY OF RESTART, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
    Remedy:
    DEALERS WILL HAVE THE ENGINE HARNESS INSPECT AND ADD A PROTECTOR CLIP ON THE AFFECTED SECTION OF THE HARNESS. IF NECESSARY, THE HARNESS WILL BE REPAIRED. THIS SERVICE WILL BE PERFORMED FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON MAY 6, 2009. OWNERS MAY CONTACT MAZDA AT 1-800-222-5500.
    Notes:
    MAZDA RECALL NO. 5409D. OWNERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV .
    rule
  • sonnyrockersonnyrocker Posts: 126
    Another reason why 2009 model of the 1st generation Mazda3 is better.
  • The initial "batch" of the 2004 Mazda 3s also had a recall notice; I should know, mine was one of them and never had a problem after the chip was updated.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,363
    My 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 had a sales hold placed on it until the upgraded motor mount was installed.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    My 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 had a sales hold placed on it until the upgraded motor mount was installed.

    There was never a "sales hold" on the 2007 Speed3's. There was couple instances of a motor mount issue, but, I believe no vehicles were recalled and sales were not placed on hold.
  • jb66jb66 Posts: 8
    I agree, If anyone has their heart set on the 2010 wait until this time next year and get deals that we are getting on the 2009's A lot of car for the money.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,363
    There was never a "sales hold" on the 2007 Speed3's. There was couple instances of a motor mount issue, but, I believe no vehicles were recalled and sales were not placed on hold.

    Well, here's the Mazda Dealer Recall Notice. The last paragraph on page 1 states:

    The National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act prohibits the delivery of any subject vehicle without performing the necessary repair for defects or failures. Failure to perform applicable recalls before delivery can result in extensive dealer fines and penalties from the Federal Government. Therefore, you must complete this recall for all affected vehicles in your inventory prior to delivery. (emphasis added)

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 791
    Although I really like the 2010 model, my gut is telling me to wait for the second model year (2011). The initial demand of the new body style will die down by then, too. I can soldier on in my 2006 MZ3 5-door for another year or so...
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I stand corrected!!

    None of the vehicles at my store were affected. I guess that's why we did not see a sales stoppage!
  • marsdogmarsdog Posts: 9
    How do I know if my vehicle is affected? It shows no recalls on my mymazda.com page, but I bought it the last day of March, before the recall was announced, so I assume it will effect me, but how can I be sure? Thanks!
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,363
    None of the vehicles at my store were affected. I guess that's why we did not see a sales stoppage!

    Yeah, it must have been somewhat of a geographical thing- as to which dealers had the older cars. When I bought my MS3 in 2007 my dealer had to get the car I wanted trucked in from another dealer- and that dealer couldn't release it until the new bolt was installed. No big deal, and no motor mount problems since!

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • zar1zar1 Posts: 24
    Mars, Mazda isn't releasing any information to the public at this time. I'm not sure why the reluctance, but the Natl. Highway Transp. Safety Admin. (NHTSA) report notes that the recall will begin May 6th, even though Mazda reported the potential safety hazard on April 15th. It may be that they need to wait for parts to arrive to address the hazard. All I know is that when I called Mazda headquarters and the contact number listed by the NHTSA on Friday, April 24th, Mazda customer service said that they had no information whatsoever on the subject and were unaware of it. Also, when I selected the "recall info" option at Mazda, this recall was not yet referenced. With 25,400 Mazda 3 2010's being recalled, it would appear that almost all, if not all cars shipped to the U.S. so far, will need to be inspected. Expect to be contacted by Mazda on or about May 6th. For most it should be a quick install of a clip unless damage has already been sustained to the wiring harness.
  • marsdogmarsdog Posts: 9
    Thanks for all the details!
  • yvanhyvanh Posts: 8
    :confuse:
    With all respect sonnyrocker, check the facts (or take a test drive) first before posting something like this, I almost chocked reading it.

    DSG is actually a dual clutch mechanism that (with the help of a computer) helps to pre-determine your next move.. long story short, if you're accelerating the 2nd cluth plate will be sync with the next gear, so when you request it, is already there, making the gear change (literally) inmediate, on braking conditions the opposite occurs.. if you just take your foot out of the gas and do a up or down shift, you let the computer to decide, so it might take a bit longer (like a regular tiptronic) and/or actually do the opposite that you want. (like upshifting when you wanted to downshift but you were in high revs.. makes sense for a computer)

    DSG is currently considered the BEST consumer transmission on the market with very close approaches by Mitsubishi on the Lancer Evo, and Nissan's GT-R versions.

    I would recommend anybody to take a VW GTI, EOS, Audi A3, TT or any of them fitterd with a DSG tranny for a test drive so you can be amazed by it. I had an A3 loaner for 2 months and had a BLAST with it, I let an exceptical co-worker (who btw owns a mazda 3 now) drive the car, and almost bought a VW. There was just a few # of people that could keep up w/ me during daily driving on twisties and corners.

    The 2010 Mazda 3 is a heck of a car, the Auto tranny is good and the "auto-manual" is not bad (actually a bit quicker than many I've driven), but, is no DSG. If Mazda can pull a dual-clutch system on the 3's, I bet it'll own the market.

    Not a rant, please don't take it that way; I'm like you, a die-hard manual shift driver; however, I do recognize that with systems like DSG, the manual transmission has it's days counted.
    :)
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I have to disagree here...

    I've driven an A3 with the DSG as well as two GTIs, and the DSG is simply a glorified automatic transmission. Yes, it shifts faster (usually) than most automatics, and yes, it shifts faster (usually) than a manual transmission as well, but who cares. It's still an automatic transmission. Ugh, no thanks.

    Best regard,
    Shipo
  • sonnyrockersonnyrocker Posts: 126
    Right on, Shipo. My point exactly.
  • cam964cam964 Posts: 2
    Be aware of Toms River Auto Maill, Mazda dealer in NJ. They quote you one price and then when you decide the next day to go through with the deal, they tell you there is no way they can sell the car at a lost. Just a heads up.
  • sonnyrockersonnyrocker Posts: 126
    That's why its a good idea to get the quote in writing, or email.
    Good job on posting this, and let them know that you will alert others of their "reputation" all over the Net.
  • sonnyrockersonnyrocker Posts: 126
    BTW,
    Honda Bommarito in St. Louis did that to me. They quoted me a price for a manual shift Civic. When I showed up, they didn't have any manual shifts at all.
    Guess what? I made the best decision I can make, I bought me a Mazda 3. Honda's lost. Too bad, so sad.
    I love Honda, but their dealers have ego issues by betting on Honda sells itself, so they are jerks. They will never earn my business if they don't change their way.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,363
    Yes, it shifts faster (usually) than most automatics, and yes, it shifts faster (usually) than a manual transmission as well, but who cares. It's still an automatic transmission. Ugh, no thanks.

    Exactly. I drove a GTI with DSG and I honestly didn't like it as well as the ZF slushbox BMW uses in the 335i.
    A true manual trumps them all.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,744
    I've driven an A3 with the DSG as well as two GTIs, and the DSG is simply a glorified automatic transmission.

    I'll start this by saying I have NOT driven a DSG.

    However, one of the huge benefits of DSG, and one of the reasons I love to drive stick, is NOT the shifting. If I loved shifting I would love automanuals as well.

    DSG's big advantage is that it does NOT SLIP. It is always in hard contact. So when you push the gas, it goes. Just like a stick when in gear. None of that rubbery, sloppy, push the gas pedal to the floor to get some acceleration. It is in direct contact engine to transmission to wheels. I've often theorized that the reason I like stick is because I HATE that slippy connection provided by an automatic.

    I really need to get out and drive one!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I have to tell you, I'm not seeing your point. A great many automatic transmissins (slush boxes included) have locking torque converters that form a hard link between the engine and the drive axles. As roadburner mentioned in an earlier post, the slushbox based automatic in the 335i drives easily as well as the DSG, and even better in some circumstances (such as when you lift off the throttle when the computer was expecting you to keep the hammer down) when the computer controlling the DSG has the wrong gear selected.

    Said another way, an automatic is an automatic is an automatic, regardless of whether it's a slushbox or a DSG.

    Best regards,
    Shipo
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,744
    I have to tell you, I'm not seeing your point. A great many automatic transmissins (slush boxes included) have locking torque converters that form a hard link between the engine and the drive axles.

    But the torque converters only lock up once a cruising speed is reached.
    I know my current automatic Acura TL is a great car, but it still has that rubbery delay while the engine revs and the transmission decides to grab. Just like our previous Odyssey and Villager. Like all automatics I've ever driven.

    I *have* ridden in a BMW with the transmission you mention. I found it very rough to shift and not that enjoyable. The DSG is much smoother shifting.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I agree (though I've not driven a DSG either), but what I still like about manuals, though I no longer drive one, is the lack of slush, Stepping on a clutch and moving a lever around just was never all that exciting.

    The other advantages of manuals have pretty much disappeared.
  • hiwaystarhiwaystar Posts: 10
    After a month and about 1,000 miles I'm getting between 29 and 30 MPG's.

    I live in a rural area and do mostly highway driving, or at least highway speeds. I'd say my avg highway speed is 71/72 MPH. Not alot of traffic or stop and go driving.

    I have the 2010 Grand Touring with the 2.5L Auto.
  • relldonrelldon Posts: 8
    Thanks a lot for your input. I would expect that your MPG would go up as the car gets more broken in, all other things being equal. Let me know what it is after 3000 miles. The average speed for my commute on rural roads would be more likely at 60 to 65 MPH so I would expect slightly better MPG due to the lower speeds.
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