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2010 Mazda3

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  • I can't believe someone didn't open their mouth at the meeting on fnalizing the front end design and say "you gotta be kidding me?", "your joking right?"

    It reminds me of the Tribeca a few years back, Subura was smart enought to change the front end after one year because it was so ugly...Hopefullly Mazda will do the same thing.
  • If that darkened area (grille?) was painted to match the rest of the car, it would probably look much better. I kinda like it though.....probably looks better in the flesh.
  • Someone please tell me why I should pick the new Mazda3 over the Honda Civic.

    I don't see a huge advantage . . am I wrong?
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Someone please tell me why I should pick the new Mazda3 over the Honda Civic.

    I don't see a huge advantage


    You obviously have never driven a Mazda3. The handling and power and pure drivability trump the Honda Civic. As for the current Mazda3, you can get more car for less money. Real world resale value are pretty darn close to one another and the Mazda3 has been extremely reliable.

    What does the Civic offer that the Mazda3 does not? Longer track record of reliability and a couple more mpg's? That's not worth it to me.

    Why would you choose a Honda Civic over a Mazda3?
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    look at the running footage of the car here. It actually looks really good. The grille looks a lot smaller when the car is in motion. I think the Mazda3 will look hot in person.

    http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2010-Mazda3-driving_200348.htm
  • My impression is that Mazda 3 is about the same price if not higher than Honda Civic.
    Civic will have a much higher trade-in value and lower lease costs as well.


    I have heard the new 3 looks very good in person, but not in the photos. Will give it a shot, especially the hatchback.
  • Inside Line has posted a first drive review. The one new piece of information I saw is that the navigation will be priced near $500. That sounds tempting as long as the software and maps are good and the smaller screen isn't too much of a compromise.

    It would sure beat the clashing look of the standard white text information screen next to the orange radio screen which makes it look like an afterthought.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    My impression is that Mazda 3 is about the same price if not higher than Honda Civic.
    Civic will have a much higher trade-in value and lower lease costs as well.


    Your impression is not really right.

    Lets compare apples to apples here. Take a 2009 Mazda3 i Touring Value Edition with an automatic transmission vs a Civic LX-S with an automatic transmission.

    Mazda3: $18,465 with destination and regional adjustment.
    Honda Civic: $19,425 with destination

    The Mazda3 offers more power, 17" alloy wheels, and fog lights.

    Lease programs are also very similar and come to within a few dollars of each other.

    The Honda Civic does not have a "much higher" trade in either. It is a little higher, but, you also pay more for the car. They depreciate almost equally.
  • Edmunds say the Mazda will depreciate
    $2,546 $2,312 $2,035 $1,803 $1,619 $10,315

    Total cost to own : $38,698
    and the Civic will depreciate

    1,520 $2,277 $2,003 $1,775 $1,594 $9,169

    Total cost to own: $35,541

    Meaning, if you drive both cars for 5 years, you will save $3200 with the Civic.

    Of course, this may lessen with the new model . . on the other hand, you won't see big discounts on a brand new model like the Mazda3
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,810
    IMO, the biggest difference is in the way they drive. The Civic is (and is designed to be) more of an appliance car. These little Mazda's are "driver's cars," meaning they're generally a lot more fun to drive. I personally believe that Mazda does one of the best manual transmissions around (compared to their direct competition, that is).

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  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,662
    I personally believe that Mazda does one of the best manual transmissions around (compared to their direct competition, that is).

    Agreed, even when compared to 'superior' automobiles...I drove a G37 a couple weeks before I drove a Mazda6 MT and the Infiniti was clunky had a difficult time going into gears; it was not fun to drive.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I have an issue with sites like Edmunds, that evaluate depreciation. Since Edmunds is a publishing company, I have found their "real world" numbers to be way off in several ways. Since their values and pricing are not generally used in the business, I tend to ignore them. Real world values are a direct reflection of market conditions, supply and demand. Edmunds has no way of knowing that 5 years from now.

    These small cars, like the Civic and Mazda3, saw their value sky rocket in the summer due to high fuel costs. These cars at the auctions were going for values up published and unprecedented as well as new cars sales seeing record monthly numbers.

    Now, the general public does not know that. That's no fault of their own.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    Real world values are a direct reflection of market conditions, supply and demand

    But as a class they would tend to rise and fall pricewise in tandem so Edmunds may be wrong in the future values but right based on past numbers.

    However, I totally agree that Edmunds fair value prices are way off in a lot of markets. It would be impossible for them to publish a number for many different metro areas and there are large differences as you and I have noted in the past(Chicago vs. NE). If I had used their value when I bought my 2007 Mazda6 I would have paid at least $1500 more for the car. I hope uninformed(unsuspecting?) visitors to Edmunds website don't take those values as anything more than somewhat of an average.

    In the current thread talking about comparing 5 year costs for a 3 vs. a Civic, what number do they start with? Do they use real world purchase price numbers or MSRP to start off their analysis with? That would throw the whole equation off immensely......my 07 Mazda6 was purchased at about $4700 under MSRP. I couldn't have touched an Accord for much under $1500-$1700 under MSRP at the time. That would be quite a large difference over 5 years in less finance and less depreciation costs from original purchase price.
  • Where do you live that you get MPG like that?

    My neighbor has an '06 3S with a MT and he dsaid he gets 27-30 hwy.

    He loves everything about the car except that he said his A/C never cools the car when temps are in the 90s and he has dark tinted windows.

    The porblem in my area is that the dealers don't let you take the car for more than a short ride so you can't actually see the real MPG.
  • A few picks of the hatch have been released on autoblog: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/25/mazda3-hatch-unveiled-will-debut-next-week/

    Note the high camera angle to minimize the grin. The inside bits of the front grill are slightly different from the sedan.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Where do you live that you get MPG like that?

    I live in Connecticut. We are getting "winter gas" now, so I will see my FE drop a little bit. I have an 05 Mazda6 2.3L mtx.

    He loves everything about the car except that he said his A/C never cools the car when temps are in the 90s and he has dark tinted windows.

    That was a common issue in the 04-06 Mazda3's. 07+ seem to be fine

    The porblem in my area is that the dealers don't let you take the car for more than a short ride so you can't actually see the real MPG.

    That stinks! One can never really tell how the car really drives without at least a 20 minute test drive, maybe more.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,662

    The porblem in my area is that the dealers don't let you take the car for more than a short ride so you can't actually see the real MPG.

    That stinks! One can never really tell how the car really drives without at least a 20 minute test drive, maybe more.


    It all depends on the dealer...a local Mazda dealer asked if i would like to take a Mazda6 home for the weekend; other dealers & manufacturers look annoyed when you start browsing their inventory.

    I had an 05 3 (for a brief period) and the AC was fine...though not as powerful as other autos I've driven; but it did the job.
  • Yea, the car actually looks nice from a high camera angle to minimize the smile. At first, I was really shocked by this design direction, but I'm getting used to the look. Still, Mazda is going to lose a lot of sales with the smile. I give the new smile two years tops before its heavily revised.

    Car and Driver and Motor Trend have first drives up on their websites as well. You have to dig around the marketing speak to find actual impressions of the drive. Seems like the new car is slightly better than the outgoing one - but nothing dramatic. Positive first impressions though.
  • Mazda has more pics and a video of the Mazda3 hatch. The video is of the European model with seems to be just slightly different. It looks like the pics are the US version. I'm going by the side turn signal markers being on the side mirrors for the US, but separate markers for Europe.

    http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayUpcomingMazda3_5Door.action

    Overall I like the look of the hatch much better than the sedan, and I think I'm also getting used to the new face. Still can't wait to see it in person.
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    I hear that the new Nav system in the 2010 Mazda3 will cost $500. Not a bad price. Much cheaper than shelling out 2 grand on a in dash GPS. They wanted to make it more in line with portable systems cost wise.
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