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2009 Toyota Venza Crossover

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  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Right now most stores have one Venza in stock, or none if that one was sold recenly. They can't show you any I4's because they haven't hit the roads yet. A lot of people are interested in the new 2.7L I4's because they will be so different. It's part of the 'R'-Family of engines that Toyota is spreading across the entire lineup worldwide.

    They are among the best-in-class in every segment they're in, both in power and in fuel economy.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    We have 7 due in next week. Six are FWD's ranging from $29700 to $35000 and one is a 4WD at $28500-ish.

    I'd guess then that the base FWD is going to be right around $26500 - $27000.
  • Has anyone compared the Venza to the 2010 Lexus RX350? The base on the Lexus is about $8,000 more. They look similar, aren't they made by the same company? Where does the $8,000 value come from?
  • feltfelt Posts: 105
    What a delight to see you responding on this thread. You may not recall, but you and I exchanged a number of messages in 2001 re the Highlander. I always appreciated your technical knowledge and understanding, and the ability to explain complex issues. I still own that 2001. It has been a wonderful vehicle, and for that reason I am interested in the new Venza.

    I am not absolutely convinced I want the 4 cylinder ... but I do want to drive one before I make a decision. I recently sold a 2004 4 cyl Acura, and while it was a much lighter vehicle, that 4 cylinder (with vtec) was powerful, quick, quiet and efficient. The Venza 4 cylinder is a much larger displacement engine than the Acura ... in fact, it is almost as big as the 2001 V6 in the HL.

    I will be watching for your post.

    By the way .... what is a "Venza?" Does it come from a Japanese word? I wonder what it means. I keep referring to it as a Verza, and my wife corrects me .. it is a Venza.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Allegedly it's a mixture of two words.. Ven - ture and Mon - za ergo a 'sporty adventure' vehicle?
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    That having been said, there has been some talk in Congress of a tax rebate for new car purchases. Why would anyone buy with that "dangling" as a possibility.

    The auto tax relief amendment sponsored by Senator Mikulski would be for purchases from November 12, 2008 to December 31, 2009. So if it does happen, it would still apply to purchases as far back as November.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    It appears that they have the very same F/awd system but the advantage (long memory of $4-5 gas) goes to the I4 Venza. But I may still wait a few years for them to adapt the I4 to DFI.

    But then by that time there may be an RX275h using this same I4 but with DFI and Atkinson. Or maybe just a plain old RX225.
  • I have geen looking for a venza for about a month now, and have not had much luck finding a 4cy with any option pkgs on them. I have contacted about 12 dealers in 3 different states. Some dealers said they could order what I wanted but they did not know when they would have the allocation to put that order in and then it would take 12 weeks or longer for me to get it. Some dealers said the would find one for me and then they never called back. Then others siad they have 1 or 2 on the way, but have no options other than the convience pkg. One dealer even told me he couldn't find anything for me and to go to another dealer, at least he was honest with me about the availability. Most everything out there is awd 6cy that has every option on it. I did find one fwd 6y, that the dealer would sell me for 4000 of sticker price, which i thought was very good. But i was really looking for a 4cy for the better gas milage. I even sent a email to Toyota complaining about the media blitz of advertising for the Venza, and the lack of availability of them, and got a response back the same day telling me to go to the cutomer realations expert a the dealer and they sould be able to help me. Bull, they can't make more cars, why advertise and then not have anything available, is my point. Ended up buying another car and different brand. Hopefully Honda won't have the same problem when they release there Accord based staion wagon/crossover vehicle. Don't think I will waste my time with Toyota again.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Why are you trying to buy a vehicle that hasn't hit the showrooms yet? Don't you think you're being a little unrealistic?

    From the very beginning it was stated that the I4's wouldn't be available before Feb 09. This was announced last Fall. Actually they are going to begin to arrive in good quantities next week....exactly on schedule. Don't you think that you're being a little unrealistic?

    Maybe you missed the initial launch schedule. Now you know it.
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    http://www.wheels.ca/article/501747

    The pricing is in Canadian dollars.
  • Wow sorry you must work for toyota I guess, didn't mean to ruffle you feathers buddy. Actually no. According to the 12 dealers like I stated before, the dealers said the are not getting any 4cy and if the do it is only 1. Or they could be ordered.

    Maybe I missed the inside information that you obviously have. Could you let me know where those good quantities are going to be next week?

    So I can know it!
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    Maybe you missed the initial launch schedule. Now you know it.

    I agree with you in general -- if dealers could sell 4-cylinder models, they would. You can't sell what you don't have or don't know. You could have stated that without the hint of attitude, but that's just my two cents.

    One could argue that every dealer should know what's going to hit their lots in the coming weeks. That too opens a can of worms. If you start to "pre-sell," you're taking the risk that the vehicles will arrive when you think they will. If they don't, you've got angry customers.

    If you don't pre-sell, customers think you either 1) don't know anything; or 2) are intentionally not telling. Again, angry customers.

    It's a tough situation for everyone. I'm not in the auto business, but I'm facing a similar issue in my own line of work (and I'm seeing it from the "dealer" perspective).

    By the way: in my area, I'm having the opposite problem locating a Venza V6. The only ones available are basic cloth-seat models -- lots of them, in all different colors. All the ones with the Premium Package have been sold, including the distributor's next allocation.
  • feltfelt Posts: 105
    I find it interesting that Toyota (the world's largest car manufacturer) reports big 4th qt losses; sales are flat across the entire industry; they bring out a new car that is generating a lot of interest; and they pitch it as a low volume car, and allocations are limited? Wouln't Chrysler love to have that problem?

    Tell me about the 6 speed auto. Is it a 5 speed plus OD? In 1956 I owned a 3 speed stick with OD ... In each gear you could engage the OD, so, there were 6 ratios, but it was not a true 6 speed.

    Anyone have more information about the downshift hesitation?
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    My guess would be that when mated with the V6 2 of the six "hard" gears will be OD ranges. And we already know that the lockup clutch is used in gear ratios below OD, making the 6 speed possibly a "9" or even a 10 speed.

    With the I4 only the "top" gear is likely to be an actual OD range.

    The 2010 RX350 includes the most current firmware "fix"(***) for the 1-2 second downshift delay/hesitation so my guess would be that this problem will remain with Toyota and Lexus for a few more years.

    *** Watching the rate at which the gas pedal is released to determine the driver's future intent, IMMEDIATE future intent.
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    Anyone have any opinions on the tires that come with the Venza? I've seen Goodyear Eagle RS-A and Michelins, with most of them being the latter.

    Looking at tirerack.com, the Michelins appear to be much higher rated than the Goodyear. There's also a huge price difference between the Goodyears and the Michelins.

    So...if the Venza I'm looking at has Goodyears on, I'm planning to ask the dealer if he'd be willing to swap them. But is there really that big of a difference between the two brands?
  • Believe what you read on tirerack.com, especially the owner surveys. Of course, if you always drive on dry roads and don't push your vehicle too hard, then you won't notice much of a difference between any two tire models. But if your roads get wet and/or snow covered sometimes and you like to go around curves a bit faster than the speed limit sign suggests, and if safety is of some importance to you, go with better tire - the Michelin in the Venza's case. If the dealer won't make a swap for you (even if you offer them $50 to do it), consider quickly replacing the RS-As with something like a Yokohama Parada Spec-X and sell the Goodyears on Ebay. The Yokohamas will end up costing you about $750 shipped, mounted & balanced, but you'll be a lot happier and safer. And if they help prevent even one minor accident versus the Goodyears, they'll pay for themselves immediately.
  • md outback speaks well. Trust tirerack surveys, and buy from them when necessary. I have and can vouch. On my Venza order I wrote the Michelins into the contract. Snow, bad weather and mileage difference are all very significant vs Goodyears. Costco tireman in my snowy mountain area further affirmed the winter capabilities of the Michelins. The Yoko Paradas are also a very good choice, but not IMO better than the Michelins, so insist on the Ms in your order or search. BTW, all the gripers about 20" tires and cost should realize that the Highlander Limited leaves you NO decent choices of AS tires--a serious problem. Venza V6 has multiple good choices.
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    Thanks to both of you for your comments. Although snow is not an issue where I live, we have poor weather just like anywhere else. Any additional traction is a good thing. I also read -- though all anecdotally -- that the thread life on the Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires is disappointing, so that's another notch in favor of Michelin.

    I'll insist on Michelins -- hopefully if the one I want has Goodyears on them, I can convince the dealer to swap them for me.

    I did a quick Google search of the Venza's tire size (245/50R20) and it looks like it's a pretty popular tire size. The Dodge Nitro, Mazda CX-9, Ford Edge, Lincoln MKX all seem to use that particular 20 inch tire size.
  • Hopefully this also applies to the 4c that has 19 inch tires . anyone know if the size difference changes anything?
  • The same make & model of a tire should perform similarly regardless of size - though some vehicles may "like" a certain type of tire better than another. The big uncertainty with the 4 cyl Venza is that there are very few 245/55R19 tire models available. The tirerack shows only a Bridgestone Dueler H/L400 (a really horrible tire) and I think there may be a Toyo and a Blizzak model around. We'll have to see what Toyota puts on the 4 cyl Venzas when they arrive. I believe this same size is also used on some Highlander models, so it's surprising there isn't a bigger selection.
  • I also researched it and that seems to be the only tire made in that size. How can that be ?
  • I also researched it and that seems to be the only tire made in that size. How can that be ?

    Sometimes an OEM will work with tire suppliers to develop a specific size with specific characteristics for a particular vehicle (Mazda's original Miata was famous for this, and most Porsches have a specific tire designed for that particular model, referenced with a P in the model number (but not the size, most cars have P referenced in the the width).

    When Chrysler launched the minivan, it used an awkward size as well, it was like a 195/75R15 or 205/70R15, both were pretty hard to find (the GY Invicta GL was about it) but now that is a very common size for passenger cars. It just takes a little while to proliferate the market. Of course, if the market isn't big enough for the tire manufacturers, then it will stay hard to find.
  • Very detail comparison. What's year model your 4Runner?
    Any measurement in driver seat height difference vs HL, CRV or RAV4 ?
  • Very detail comparison. What's year model your 4Runner?
    Any measurement in driver seat height difference vs HL, CRV or RAV4 ?


    Re: Some personal views on the Venza [qs933]When I test drove the Venza, what struck me was not so much the seat height, but the expanse of the dash area compared to a truck-based SUV like my 4Runner. The large dash and small side windows made me feel like I was sitting lower than I actually was.

    Earlier in this thread, there were actual measurements of a Venza's seating height and my 4Runner. I believe the seating height (at both the highest and lowest positions) of the Venza was roughly 5 inches lower than the 4Runner. If anyone has access to a Highlander and an RX, that would probably be a better comparison.

    Looking at the dimensions of the Venza and the 2010 RX, the Venza is 3 inches shorter, has 0.8 inch higher ground clearance, and is about 1 inch longer and wider.
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    Very detail comparison. What's year model your 4Runner?

    My 4Runner is a 2005 Sport Edition RWD with a manual seat (not power). The 4WD and models with a power seat may be slightly different, though I doubt it's significant.

    Unfortunately, I don't have easy access to a Highlander, CRV, or RAV4 for comparison. I would guess that the Highlander is somewhere in between the 4Runner and Venza, but that's just a guess.
  • feltfelt Posts: 105
    I have been studying the Toyota web-site, and find that the per-designed packages do not include options I want (or to be more accurate, include options I do not want). Is it possible to order exactly what is wanted? I know there is a 12 week delay ... that is OK, I am in no rush. And I know that dealers would be less likely to "deal." That is more problematic.

    This business of an allocation is ridiculous. With Toyota announcing lay-offs, and reducing shifts, I cannot believe they would not process an order irregardless of a dealers allocation.

    If these options are not possible, I may just wait for the Honda crossover, or buy something else.

    Congress cut the incentive to buy now.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    There is a wide, WIDE world of difference in the 4runner 2WD/AWD/4WD system and the Venza and even moreso for the HL. The HL relies ONLY on TC braking to "enforce" engine torque distribution when a wheel(s) loses traction with the roadbed.

    The new Venza and 2010 RX350 F/awd systems make use of an entirely different design, very much like that used for the past 3-4 years by Ford in the Escape and Mariner and now Mazda in the CX-7. This "new" system remains primarily FWD but with the ability to shift up to 50% of engine torque to the rear when/if conditions warrant.

    I fully expect that the next models of the HL and Sienna will be adopting this "new" system.
  • While you can supposedly custom order a Venza, I have not seen any message yet from someone who has actually tried this successfully. What options do you not want? The larger dealers that have a reasonable supply of Venzas (more than 10) seem to have a variety of vehicles from lightly equipped to fully loaded with more on the way - including 4 cylinders now in the pipeline. You are correct that a dealer is less likely to negotiate hard for a custom order, so you may actually get a better deal by accepting some options you don't want but buying a car already on the dealer's lot. And you get the car immediately.

    And if you decide to wait for the Honda, you'll probably run into the same problem. I was in the market for the new 2008 Accord coupe in late 2007. Problem was, each dealer only had one or two and those did not have the options or colors I wanted. I would have had to wait more than 6 months for the supply to build up enough so that there were a few choices available.
  • wwest--
    Can you give me your sources of information on the current(2008/2009) Highlander AWD system, in particular where you say that it relies only on traction control for power distribution? I'd like to research this for myself. Thanks!
  • feltfelt Posts: 105
    Thank you md outback for your response. I think I already knew the answer ... but it is nice to get confirmation. My problem is I still think this is a buyers market. I think GM and Chrysler would "bend over backwards" to sell a car. Toyota does not seem to have that mind set. I have no use for the DVD system, (do not even want it in the vehicle); I am not so passionate about the moon roof, but have no need for one (my HL has one and I rarely open it). But I do want leather and the Nav. system. I think I best wait and see what develops. Not to inject politics, but this congressional spending bill is going to change a lot of factors. I think we are facing a tremendous inflation cycle, and it is hard to know what to do. I could buy a new car now, but I am having a "stupor of action."
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