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2009 Toyota Venza Crossover

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  • linnettlinnett Posts: 19
    WWest, Thank you! That is exactly the kind of thing I wanted to hear!

    Of course, I haven't a clue what 17 x 8 tires are but I can always learn!

    Looks like a new set of tires for me right away!
  • maximafanmaximafan Posts: 592
    I've been perusing the Toyota website looking over information on the Venza. So far I like what the Venza has to offer as far as the various options and goodies that I like, such as push button start, dual exhaust tips, xenon lights, panoramic sunroof, back-up camera without the need for the navigation and so on.
    But.... I'm not seeing memory seats offered on any of the packages. This would probably be a dealbreaker for me, as I love
    having memory seats in my current car!!! :confuse:

    Does this vehicle not offer memory seats??
  • md_outbackmd_outback Posts: 185
    Hold on a second there linnett and wwest. Dropping down from 20" wheels to 17" wheels is a pretty big change and can lead to all kinds of conversion issues such as brake rotor and caliper clearance, assuming it is even possible. And to buy 4 new wheels and tires will require a minimum investment of at least $1000 to $1500 assuming you can find a compatible wheel. And a minus-3 conversion (from 20" to 17") will probably void your warranty. My suggestion is to drive a Venza V6 with Goodyear tires and then drive another with Michelin tires (those are the two brands of tire Toyota is currently using on Venza V6s) and see if you prefer one ride vs. the other. Then try to negtiate getting your new Venza with the preferred tire brand.
  • md_outbackmd_outback Posts: 185
    No memory seats are available in any Venza package. Simple solution - don't let anyone else drive it. ;)
  • linnettlinnett Posts: 19
    Oh, shoot, I hoped he meant a new tire not a smaller wheel! I am not brave enough to mess around with that! :)

    Ah, so see which tires are on the test drive vehicle in my driveway and ask if the other Venza in stock has the opposite tire! Thank you! I'll do that!
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    No memory seats are available in any Venza package. Simple solution - don't let anyone else drive it.

    That's my solution. :)

    If my seat settings are changed (i.e. when I take my car into service, it's almost guaranteed the seat is moved when I pick it up), I just take a few extra minutes to readjust. Not a big deal, especially with power seats.

    I can see it being important for a car that's shared on a day-to-day basis, though.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,207
    I was at the Toyota dealer this weekend having some routine service done. I looked at the Venza and Highlander. Seems to me the Venza doesn't get much better mileage than the Highlander, is more cramped and there is little difference in price out the door because you get a much better deal on the Highlander. So unless you like the Venza looks or size better, you ought to look at both of them thoroughly before you buy.
  • linnettlinnett Posts: 19
    You mention appropriate points! I looked at Highlanders two years ago and determined that I actually did not enjoy getting into it. I'm a 5'2" tall woman. I'll be the only driver of this vehicle. I tote cats more often than other people.

    Getting into the Venza truly is a different and more comfortable experience for me. It doesn't feel too tall. I very much like the smooth curvy feminine lines of the exterior of the Venza.

    For those with more critical cargo needs than mine the Highlander has a flatter cargo area when the back seats are down. I was surprised that that was not duplicated in the Venza but it really isn't critical to me.

    Has anybody seen Tropical Sea Metallic?
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    So unless you like the Venza looks or size better, you ought to look at both of them thoroughly before you buy.

    Different needs for different people. That's why Toyota offers both vehicles.

    Need to seat 7 occasionally or haul bulky items? Enter the Highlander.

    Looking for something that rides higher than a Camry, carries a maximum of 5, and has more cargo room than a sedan but less than a box-shaped SUV? Enter the Venza.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,207
    Is that the new blue color on Venza? If so, it was rather good looking IMO at least.
  • lal_cltlal_clt Posts: 27
    I saw the Tropical Sea Metallic about a month ago. Really liked it and when it came time to order my car, that was the color I chose. Now I can't recall what it looks like so tomorrow after work I'm going to drive by a dealer in Charlotte who has one on the lot and refresh my memory.
  • linnettlinnett Posts: 19
    Yes, it is some sort of medium blue. The still photo on the Toyota website looks screaming turquoise on my monitor while the 360 degree photos look dull mid tone blue. That left me uncertain. I expect this to be the sleeper color since you can't be sure what it is from their web site. So....I looked at the YouTube channel Toyota.com and wrote a note asking about the color. I said my sister had suggested that if I could find a color sensitive woman at the production plant perhaps she could tell me if this blue is aqua, periwinkle, powder or whatever. I didn't receive an offer of a phone call like that but I did receive an offer to photograph a Tropical Sea Venza at the plant. The results make me hope for a periwinkle aspect to this blue. It will not have the lovely twinkles that are seen in Blizzard Pearl.

    How can I share a photo with you here?

    This is useful too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPy7efXZyxo
  • mikeecfpmikeecfp Posts: 5
    I'm interested in understanding why Toyota seems so intent on using 20" rims on the V6 AWD Venza when all I'm hearing is that the ride is much rougher with the bigger rims and that stability in harsh winter conditions is hampered by the bigger rims. Besides the tires on 20 inch rims will wear out much quicker, so I told. And, they will much much more expensive to replace than 17" rims. (mikeecfp)
  • md_outbackmd_outback Posts: 185
    It seems that Toyota and other manufacturers have decided that big wheels make a big styling statement. They also help a bit when you are trying to increase ground clearance. The wheel size itself does not result in a rougher ride, it's the 50 series tires that have a shorter sidewall that cannot absorb bumps as well as a taller sidewall. But the short sidewalls are needed with the large wheels or the car will start to look like it's all tire (sorta like those pickup trucks with the giant wheels and tires). It's true that winter driving is better on narrower tires, but if you have a good tread pattern (such as the Venza's Michelins - not the Goodyears), they should handle well enough in winter conditions. You can always get dedicated winter tires if you live in a colder climate. I don't believe 20" tires will wear out any quicker than a smaller tire - if anything they should last longer due to fewer revolutions per mile. Tread wear is based mostly on the tire tread and compound, the weight and weight distribution of the vehicle and the biggest factors are driving conditions and driver style and following routine maintenance (inflation, rotation, alignment and balance). The tirerack has Venza tires ranging from $93 to $268, so the pricing is not that much different than smaller tires. At least the Venza V6 has several replacement tires to choose from; the Nissan Murano LE 20" tires have an odd size that is only made by Toyo, so you have no other choices unless you change tire size.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yes as md outback noted it's for styling purposes. The design of the Venza is somewhat 'over the top' as Toyotas go so adding very noticeable rims goes along with that concept. However ride quality does suffer if you're more used to softish Toyota rides. That's intentional it seems.

    The 19" rims on the I4 ride much more 'toyota-like'. I also think that the 2.7L I4 is perfectly sufficient. But to put this in perspective I've been driving 4c Camry's, 4c Civics, 4c Escorts and the 4c Prius since the 80's. I've never seen the need for a V6 for my personal ride. OTOH my wife prefers only V6s. The US market in a microcosm.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    AS a general rule wheel size will have very little to do with the number of revolutions per mile.

    Do you suppose perhaps the extra metal in the wheels is less costly than the rubber in the tires and the beancounters have taken "control"....??

    Larger wheels do look better, up to a point.......

    Additionally, larger wheels, lower sidewalls, will result in less CSA for road contact/traction, not exactly what one might want in an "SUV" crossover.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    To be accurate it's not an SUV crossover. It's a car with a bigger body. IMO it's a lot closer to a Camry/Avalon than to a Highlander; height to width ratio.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...not an SUV crossover..."

    Maybe so, but the I4 Venza with the new F/awd sure appeals to me if/when it's time to replace my '01 F/awd RX300. In point of fact if the I4 were equipped with DFI it WOULD be time to replace my RX.
  • feltfelt Posts: 105
    wwest - you have often mentioned "DFI" .... I assume that is "Direct Fuel Injection?" I have been reading elsewhere about Ford's soon to be produced "Eco Boost Engine." I assume that is a DFI? From what I have read, it sure seems that is the way of the future.

    Back in 2001, you and I exchanged severeral messages re Toyota's AWD system on the Highlander. The Venza system is different, is it not? You seem to like this sytem ... will you explain a bit more about the differences, and why you like this system?
  • md_outbackmd_outback Posts: 185
    AS a general rule wheel size will have very little to do with the number of revolutions per mile.

    Sorry, I didn't fully explain my answer there. I was responding to a general statement that tires on 20" wheels don't last as long as tires on smaller wheels. IF you do not adjust tire width and aspect to maintain the same overall tire circumference, then my answer is accurate. For example, a 245-50x17 tire will require about 9% more rolling revolutions per mile than a 245-50x20 tire - thus the 20" tire should last longer, assuming all other conditions are equal. Of course if you did such a conversion on any car, you would screw up the speedometer, odometer and countless other meters and sensors that rely on wheel revs equating to an expected distance covered. BUT, if one did adjust tire width and aspect properly to maintain circumference when changing to a different wheel size then, yes, there is little difference in revolutions per mile.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    It would be unusual in the extreme for someone to NOT adjust the tire size in accordance with a change in wheel diameter. Besides which the speedometer and odometer would need recalibration.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    I have become so disinterested in Ford products that I have no idea what "ecoboost" means for them.

    The current HL and Sienna F/awd system is a simple ONE wheel drive with the exception that TC, Traction Control, is used to sustain a high level of engine torque when wheelspin/slip develops. TC will moderately brake a slipping wheel or wheels in order to maintain engine torque at a failrly high level. Regretably if this happens to be a F/awd vehicle then traction MUST be regained quickly so engine dethrottling is just as instantaneous as the braking.

    Loss of traction at the front (driven) wheels can too quickly result in loss of directional control.

    With the new Venze and 2010 RX350 F/awd system the first action ( I hope.) upon wheelspin/slip, FRONT wheelspin/slip, detection will undoubtedly be to engage the rear driveline in order to distribute the available engine torque over a greater tire contact patch CSA.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    I have become so disinterested in Ford products that I have no idea what "ecoboost" means for them.

    Ecoboost is direct injection and in some cases, turbo charging (think MazdaSpeed3 and MazdaSpeed6). The 3.6l motor from GM (Cadillac CTS) is also direct injection.

    Does Toyota have a DI motor? They seem to have tuning down for excellent fuel economy, so maybe they don't need to use a technology like that...I know the components are more expensive to withstand combustion pressures and temps.
  • Did Toyota really need to make the Venza? The Camry does fine and if you need a station wagon you can get the Highlander with seating for seven.
    This seems like a GM move to me. Create un-needed cars and fake demand.
  • linnettlinnett Posts: 19
    Did Toyota need to create the Venza? I read an article that made me smile today. It said that about 50% of us consider our pets when buying a vehicle. Yea, that includes me. I'd prefer a little more cargo flexibility than the Camry or Avalon provide. It said the Venza was likely to attract baby boomers who don't need a big people mover or big SUV. I'm 57. I tote cats more often than other people. It suggested that Toyota expected women to purchase many of the Venzas but was surprised that the first ones went to men. I'm a 5'2" tall woman and the Highlander is not the vehicle I want to get into every day. The east of entry into the Venza is a positive thing for me. The soft, fluid, feminine cures of the Venza are pleasing to me.

    Oh, :blush: I learned about the lumbar button today. This should help a bit on comfort for me.
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    Create un-needed cars and fake demand.

    I'm curious -- what is "fake demand?"

    Given the relatively low volume of the Venza, I'm guessing the economics make sense even if Toyota produces the Venza to meet a very specific demographic: customers who want the versatility of a station wagon, the driving experience of a sedan, and the ride-height of a crossover.

    They don't need to seat 7 and are OK with sacrificing some cargo room for a sleek exterior. Styling is important -- hence the big grill and 20" wheels.

    If Toyota didn't have the Venza, would I have bought a Highlander? Maybe. But I was also seriously considering the Murano, which "fit" better with what I was looking for.
  • bbestbbest Posts: 1
    The Venza appears to fit my needs better than any other vehicle on the market. I want to be able to tow a 2500 lb trailer and carry a canoe on the roof. The Highlander is tall for lifting a canoe onto, and the Camry can't tow more than 1000 lbs. If there is a more suitable vehicle out there I would like to hear about it.
  • Hey, I'm a fan of Toyota. I'm just saying it might dilute their product offerings and decrease economies of scale.
    Maybe the Subaru Outback is more suitable? Nissan Rogue?
  • typesixtypesix Posts: 314
    The Venza is basically a taller than normal hatchback.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Making the HL heavier and longer in order to have a "reasonable" third seat capability moved it into a different market segment. The Venza is simple a "drop in" replacement in that market segment vacated by the HL.

    Also note that while the Venza can be purchased with the new I4 AND F/awd the HL cannot.
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