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VW Golf vs Honda Civic

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  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    Next year (2001) there will not be any Civic H/B for the USA market. So, the Golf will be battling the Focus ZX3.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    On the subject of VW vs Honda vs Ford vs GM, when shopping for almost any brand hatch late last year I visited VW dealerships to see and feel a Golf, there were never any on the lot, Focus sedans were in stock but no hatchbacks, lots of Toyota Celica liftbacks for $ 20 + and several Civic hatchbacks in stock ..
    oh yea, SUV = Silly Ungainly Vehicle

    Rob Fruth - Houston, Tx
    http://freeweb.pdq.net/rfruth

    1981 Raleigh for commuting, errands & fun ____ __o
    1997 Trek 2300 for real fun ! ____ _ \ | _)
    2000 Civic (dx 5 speed) hatchback (_)/ (_)
  • mnnmnn Posts: 31
    (quack56k):

    I need some advice on whether to go for the VW or stay with the Honda. I own a 97 Civic LX Sedan (well, I always hit my head when retrieving stuff from a coupe, so..), and am contemplating of trading it in for either the Accord SE (5 sp), or the VW Golf 1.8 T (I heard the Jetta has loads of problems, and it is more expensive). I have test driven the Accord and find it smooth, though lack a bit of sporty feel. I have not had the chance to test drive the Y2K Golf, but I have driven the 97, and that felt great, safe, sturdy, especially in the snow (which is lacking from the Honda). The reason for changing car is that I find my Civic slow, especially when you have the air-con on, and merging onto the highway is not much fun. OK, if my criteria is a more powerful vehicle with a good manual box, high resale value, and low maintenance, which one, (in your opinion) should I be looking at (you won't be held responsible). Plus, I'd probably need a bit of financing, and the VW's rate sucks (bank rate), should I just forget about the Golf altogether?
    I love my Civic, but from the 6th month of ownership on I found myself in need of more horsepower, and I think the Golf would be a nice advancement?!

    When is a good time to buy VW?? I don't seem to recall any "trend" in their promotion like the Honda does. (I live in Canada)
    Anyone out there can help me out?
  • hugozhugoz Posts: 82
    Thanks for the new spin on the "SUV" acronym. If you can think of a synonym for "boring" that also starts with the letters, s,u or v, let us know!

    Concerning hatchbacks, anyone who's unsure about their choices in the $12-13K range ought be looking at the Ford Focus ZX3 hatchback. Don't take my word, though: check out the ZX3 postings -- the people there are absolute fanatics about it!
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    mnn, I've had two VW Golfs, my current 1996 and a 1987 before it. If you're looking for power, I think the Golf GTI is the way to go. IMHO, the Golf gives a more solid ride. I drove the Civic hatchback in 1996 and stayed with the Golf. Why not test drive them both and see what works for you?

    carlady/host
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    Well if it don't mind a coupe or hatchback the Integra GSR has one of the best manual gearboxes and shifters in the world and should be a bit faster than the Golf 1.8T since it's about 300lbs lighter and has 170hp. although I think the Golf Turbo is also a good choice - don't get the diesel turbo though, it's not fast. The Golf 1.8T should have pretty good power (150hp but lots of torque)
  • judasjudas Posts: 217
    I wouldn't count on the GSR being faster than the 1.8T GTI. I've seen 0-60 times for the 1.8T Beetle anywhere from 7.1 to 7.6, and the GTI is lighter, and more aerodynamic (Although that probably wouldn't matter to 60, might make a little difference in the 1/4). The GSR has about 20 more HP, but its got about 30 less lb/ft.
  • mnnmnn Posts: 31
    Just one quick question: are Golfs made in Germany, or in Mexico like the Jettas and Passats?? And, does it really matter in terms of quality?? (I noticed there are a lot of lemons with Jettas). Also, is it true that if the VIN# starts with a "W" it is German made, whereas those with "3" or "4" are Mexican?
  • judasjudas Posts: 217
    I think that GTI's are still made in Germany, and that Golf's are made in Brazil, but I can't remember where I heard that or even if it's accurate.
  • qwordqword Posts: 20
    If I were you I would look at the 1.8t Golf and the TDI Golf. Believe it or not the TDI Golf out accelerates the 2 liter Golf. Not by much but hey it's a 90hp diesel engine that averages 42-50mpg, pretty impressive if you ask me. However for a couple of thousand more go with the GTI that way you will not have to worry about future turbo problems. I would also take a look at the Integra GSR which is also in that price range I think. Though it lacks considerable in torque it still offers alot of fun up top.
    I was once told that anytime is a good time to buy a VW since VW doesn't offer to many rebates like other car manufacturers.
    Good luck!!!!!
  • phrozenphrozen Posts: 1
    Does anyone know when the next generation of civic hbs are coming out? Or any specs about them?
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    Sorry, phrozen, only bad news to report. Honda has decided not to continue the Civic hatchback model. Honda is out of the hatchbacks market altogether.

    carlady/host
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    Topic # 271 is Honda Insight Hatchback, is the Insight really available in a hatch version, if so great if not maybe Honda has a 5 door hatch in the works ! SUV = Soccer UV ?



    Rob Fruth - Houston, Tx
    http://freeweb.pdq.net/rfruth

    1981 Raleigh for commuting, errands & fun ____ __o
    1997 Trek 2300 for real fun ! ____ _ \ | _)
    2000 Civic hatchback when I have to (_)/ (_)
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    Yes, you're right! The Insight is a hatchback. As a hybrid car, I tend not to think of it for the typical car buyer. Good point. I don't see any sign of a 5-door yet. We certainly need more of them on the market.

    carlady/host
  • Does anyone have an e-mail or P.O. address for Honda? How can we convince Honda that there are some people who would like a 5dr hatch and not a gas guzzling SUV?

    I have been keeping up with a site called vtec.net and Honda sells 5dr hatches in Europe.
    What can we do to convince Honda to sell these models in the U.S.
  • judasjudas Posts: 217
    You can round up a couple thousand friends that want to buy one. 5 door hatches have never sold well in the US, with the possible exception of the Golf (And even that's up for debate.) The vast majority of 5 door hatches sold here have also been obscenely ugly, witness the Nova 5 door, Prizm 5 door, Saab 5 doors have never been particularly attractive, etc, etc. I've never seen a picture of a Honda 5 door (Do they even produce one?) I guess you're stuck with the PT Cruiser or a Subaru of some sort.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    for Japan and Asian markets only. Go to VTEC.NET and look up the news/rumors. Somewhere down the list (in March I believe) there is an article from a Japanese magazine that shows pictures of the '01 Civic 5dr htbk, '01 Integra Type-R and NSX.
    The Civic 5dr looks like the new Forcus HB a little.
    They will also have for the first time a 4dr Civic sedan Type-R with the current Integra
    Type-R engine - 200hp! (Japanese version is always 5hp more than US). I guess they know these cars won't sell well here :( Sure they might sell a couple of thousand but probably not worth their while to export.
  • deevcjdeevcj Posts: 9
    I own a 2k Golf GL, with the 2.0 engine. I can tell you that speed is not its thing, any Neon or Honda out there can take it and I wouldn't even consider running agianst a Focus ZR3. I looked at, drove and researched the heck out of the three since I wanted a hb. If Honda still made an SI hatch, that is what I would of bought. I went with VW for features like ABS, fit and finish and looks. The Focus just screamed small car to me even though it is big on the inside. Something else to consider, only 1000 Golfs are sold per month in America, I have more stangers ask me about my car and have never seen more than a few like it.
  • nasaboynasaboy Posts: 2
    I'm getting rid of an '87 Civic DX Hatchback in a few months. It has 163K on it but the rust monster has basically eaten the car. I thought a few people out there might be interested in the results of my "road test." As far as maintenance goes, I've changed the oil, air filter and coolant religiously; the car does not burn any oil. Do I want another Honda? No. Why. . .
    1. Wiper motor failed at 19K. Replaced under warranty.
    2. Carb floats failed at ~43K. Complete carb rebuild.
    3. Ignition switch failed at ~53K. Car had to be towed.
    4. Radiator replaced at about 120K. This car has gone through 2 thermostats as well. With all that, it still runs much closer to redline than any other car I have ever driven.
    5. Cassette has not worked properly since about '93. Right speaker failed in about '95. This car has the worst radio reception I have ever experienced.
    6. Starter motor replaced at about 135K.
    7. The car has had a vacuum leak as long as I have had it. The idle sounds funny but seems to work OK.
    8. The stick has been very sticky since about '96. I am told the problem is bad bushings. Too cheap to fix.
    9. Seat belts have failed to retract properly since about 1995.
    10. The skin of the right rocker and the structural components no longer touch. Rust in other places too. Left rear wheel no longer perpendicular to road.
    11. After about 50K miles, virtually every brake job involved a cylinder replacement.
    There have GOT to be better vehicles on the road than this piece of trash. Lest anyone think that I have the only Honda problem child, I have a friend with a Civic that REALLY overheated. Although there was never any coolant in the oil or oil in the coolant, the problem was only fixed at 92K with a replacement engine. Back to my car, both CV joints have been replaced, but I consider that quasi-routine.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,346
    Well, with a couple of exceptions, your list of "problems" are pretty trivial. It's an old car with 163K. Sounds like you REALLY don't like to spend money. Your radio has been broken for seven years and you put up with it....?

    I wonder what you would be complaining about if you had bought a Volkswagen instad of a Honda?
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