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Volkswagen Passat CC Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    Will see how the DSG feels in a week or two when I'm ready

    unfortunately it's not a DSG...just a regular 6 spd auto.
  • I realized that after I typed it. Kind of stinks, but I don't know if I could drive a 6-speed sedan through 30 miles of crowded city streets. Will see soon enough though.....

    Also considering the IS250 AWD, since they have awesome leases on that vehlce at the moment. Not sure if it is as SEXY as the CC is. I touched the CC and fell in love.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    I talked to a VW salesman today and the initial number he through out to entice me in was "under invoice"...not a bad point to start from; although I doubt they have much more room...
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    lol, I really think most VW are sexy, if such can be called that. I love them. Been a big fan of them. They just have this zoom zoom around town, classy type feel to them...lol anyway. :blush:
  • I am so ashamed. I’ve been scammed twice by Yorkdale Volkswagon o/b 2031113. I know I should have been more on the ball. I probably cannot do anything about it. Hopefully, others will not make the same mistakes as me. Shop elsewhere.

    I leased a new VW Passat CC through this dealer. They used an offer to lease form which doesn't include the selling price of the vehicle on it. They told me the purchasing price was $34,735,which included the base price of $31,975 + $1,400 for auto transmission and $1,360 for freight and PDI. The leasing company is VW Credit Canada Inc. The numbers were the same as posted on VW Canada's website. The monthly payments were a little more than what I wanted to pay so I asked if they could lower the purchase price enough to make the monthly lease payment an amount of $350 per month (this included an $8,000 trade-in). The salesman told me that he required my credit card in order to present this to his manager. He came back with a reworked offer to lease form and told me I have a deal. At that time, the salesman took my ownership papers for the car I was going to trade-in.

    What they did not tell me was that they retained the same purchase price, but increased the amount I would have to pay up front, not to mention that they used a slightly higher interest rate to calculate the lease payments than the amount posted on VW Canada's website. After I released what they did, I called the new car sales manager to complain and ask for my $1,000 deposit back. He would not give back the deposit. He agreed to reduce the up-front payment by $700, while maintaining everything else the same. Further I was told that I could have the car in the colour scheme that I wanted by the end of the week. I later found out that they do not have the car I wanted, and promised to order one for me from the manufacturer. The car arrived three weeks later. It did not come from directly the manufacturer. Instead, they acquired it from another dealer and had a manufacture date that was five months old, meaning it had sat through the Canadian winter -- they did not disclose this to me.

    When I picked up the car and fill out the leasing paperwork, the leasing rate offered by VW Credit Canada had dropped from 4.9 to 2.9%. The dealer had forms for me to sign which stated that the interest rate was 2.9% but the monthly payments or up-front payments had not changed. The residual value had been lowered by a mere $340.00. Again the purchase price was not disclosed on the new offer to lease form. When I pointed out that the lower interest rate should have a more significant effect on lowering either the up-front payments or the monthly lease payments, I was told that the effect was minimal. The Business Manager told me that they made $250 and he would make it up to me in services. At this point they already had my car and my insurance had already been transferred to the new car. So I just took his word for it. However, the lease agreement itself, which is an entirely different document, only presented to me after all of the above had occurred, contained a Vehicle Selling Price that was $37,662.83. This price was significantly higher than the MSRP of the vehicle, and when I questioned it I was told it includes freight, security deposit and first month payments as well as some other small charges. Not having a computer with me at the dealership, these items cannot be easily checked. After getting home, I realized they the selling price only included freight, not security deposit and first month payment and was $3,319.83 above the selling price I had agreed to. Do I have any recourse against this dealer? :sick: :sick: :sick:
  • Title should be Scammed by Yorkdale Volkswagen (Toronto)
  • I probably cannot do anything about it. Hopefully, others will not make the same mistakes as me. Shop elsewhere and don't buy Volkswagen.

    I reported my case where the dealership (Yorkdale Volkswagen o/b as 2031113 Ontario Limited) engaged in unfair practices involving false, misleading, deceptive and unconscionable representations, VW Canada called the dealer and said the dealer was not willing to do anything and VW Canada also said that they would take no further action. And I had to beg them to even make the phone call by reminding them that their dealers are a reflection of them and they should care about their reputation. Apparently, they are not too concerned about consumers. :sick:
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    Not sure I understand completely...

    You went to the dealership to lease a car but did not drive the one you wanted? Then gave them $1000 on top of your $8000 trade in before you had a chance to sit in the car? They then found a car for you and had lowered the interest 2% with no change in monthly payment? You signed all the papers and drove your new car home; then noticed the vehicle's MSRP had risen over $3k (I'm assuming this is JUST the MSRP...and not MSRP plus sales tax)

    Something does seem fishy...although you should/do have the option to walk out of the deal at anytime before driving off the show room floor. Although it may have been a hassle transferring insurance etc...

    I think its common practice for dealers to trade cars to get the one you want quicker (sitting through one winter shouldn't matter...it's leased...and you live where you live...).

    Sounds like you were in a rush not to notice a $3,319.83 until you got home...

    Cars are such big (depreciating) investments...I usually take A LOT of time reading all the fine print and asking them to explain all the little things to me...they're on the clock not me -- I have all day

    And...I've learned to stay away from leases...they never work out for me...

    I doubt you can do anything...other than write it off as an expensive learning lesson.
  • Leaving out some of the details/antics involved in my first encounter -- I went to the dealership to lease a car, They took a $1,000 deposit and took my ownership papers on the vehicle I was trading in and had me sign an Offer to Lease form (which is different than a Lease Agreement). They told me I'd have the car by the end of the week. (Believe me, there's more about this encounter that I have l left out as well as my call to the sales manager the following business day.)

    About one week later, they call me and tell me they don't have the car it in the colour I wanted and tried to get me to take another colour. By this time (a) I had already asked for my deposit back twice and they refused, and (b) the interest rate on leases offered by VW Credit dropped to 2.9%. They tell me they ordered the car from Volkswagen Canada and mine would be the first one to arrive from the port. Two weeks later (and three weeks after our first meeting in which they took the $1,000 deposit) they delivered the car. Upon arriving to at the dealership, they took my keys and car before giving me a chance to even inspect the new car or look at the lease agreement. They had a pre-prepared Offer to Lease form (another one) as well as a lease agreement. Their Offer to Lease forms do not disclose selling prices. The Lease Agreement does -- but besides the MSRP it includes freight and some small charges. I certainly asked about it, but they lied to me about what made up that number. And I certainly noticed the 2.9% interest rate telling them that it should have some effect on my monthly payments. I also told them that I didn't want to sign that lease agreement and they told me the only choice I had was to sign this or sign a lease agreemnt with the previous 4.9%. I did swear at them. They "admitted" to making $250 extra on the change in interest rate. This was obviously a lie that I did not discover until later. I really didn't want to have to leave the dealership on foot. And I had alot going on at home at the time, so I just took their word for it. Yes, I signed all the papers and drove the new car home.

    What I discovered was they had padded the selling price to ensure the mothly payments remained the same and they could pocket an extra $3,319.83 of "profit", at my expense of course..

    Note that selling price and MSRP are two different things. The MSRP is set by the manufacture and did not change. The final selling price was $3,319.83 more than we had agreed and $2,619.83 more than the MSRP (including the freight,etc.). Sales tax it seems is not included in the selling price.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    the whole situation sounds bad...did anything go right?

    Aside from being ripped off...how do you like the car? Did the dealership taint your enjoyment of driving your new car?
  • kinctkinct Posts: 59
    From my background, pretty much all dealers suck, it's just a matter of degree. They are all out to make a killing. Think of it this way:

    - You would like to go into a dealership and pay $20,000 for a $30,000 car.
    - When you come into that dealership, they want to think of a way to get $40,000 for that $30,000 car.

    The art is meeting in the middle (and obviously from the customer perspective, towards the low end!). Many of the dealer games revolve around leasing, financing, and especially the trade in. I cannot tell you the number of times I have been told my car is worthless, and then I have turned around and sold it to the first person who stopped by to view it for $1,000 - $2,000 (private sale).

    You as the consumer need to do the research up front (what vehicle do I want, what is the TRUE dealer cost, what can I afford, etc). Don't go in "wanting a certain monthly payment" - they then stretch out the term to meet the monthly payment objective. You also need to back off when things change rapidly. Don't sign if something major changes last minute. You would be surprised, when you get up and walk out (literally), things changed. I have walked out twice, with the dealer running out and telling me that management had just approved the "correction" (Toyota and Audi).

    This may just end up being a bitter lesson for you. But learn from your mistakes.

    You now have the car. ENJOY IT. Treat it well...! (and I would NOT NOT NOT go back to that dealer). Don't keep rewarding sleazebags.

    One last minute thought for you. One can always go back and visit during a high-volume timeframe (e.g. Saturday morning at 11:00 am or 2:00 pm) , and then go into the dealership and talk loud enough about how you had been duped - make sure you are near other customers. I may have, um, done that too.... :-)
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    You would be surprised, when you get up and walk out (literally)
    Very true...I was helping a co-work shop...she walked out when the dealer low-balled a trade in; after they ran out they offered $3k more...

    and talk loud enough about how you had been duped
    heh...a different co-worker did the same...very loud about the "illegal" activities they practiced...then some tears; she got her money back...
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    Wow, I am so sorry to hear about the experiences, but I too would love to hear about the new car? I have yet to take one out. Though missing a rear middle seat and a bit overpriced, am sure its worth it, but overpriced. I have a similar dealer that sells Honda's. Not a good place to shop.

    I had thought that there was a 3 day rule to return a car in Indiana, but there is not. I am not sure that applies anymore anywhere?
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    I think you have me confused with lucretius and his original posting
  • go2uclago2ucla Posts: 8
    Hi there, I was just quoted a price of approx. $3,000 off MSRP for a 4 cylinder CC Sport with A/T. I am in SoCal. Is this a good price? Apparently, the discounted price includes the VW rebate of $1K. Apparently, it looks like about $100 over invoice price less the $1K from VW. What are your thoughts? Are there better deals out there?
  • mrrepomrrepo Posts: 1
    Just leased a CC Man Sport.
    Here are the details.
    MSRP: $27,855
    Cap Cost: $24,500
    Money Factor: .00073
    Residual: 54%
    Term: 36 months/10k/yr.
    Sales Tax: $1674(Ohio)
    Cash at signing: $620 includes first months payment, doc fee, and tags.

    End result is $338 per month, tax included.
  • danprtrdanprtr Posts: 25
    Just leased with no options (actually has Bluetooth, chrome tip exhaust, and extra winter mats but they gave this car without charging for the options because it was already on the lot).
    Sale Price $ 25,877
    Tax & Fees $ 1,782
    Gross CC $ 27,659
    Residual 55%
    Term 36mo. 15k/yr
    Payment $ 399.78/mo.
    First payment made at signing.

    2 other dealers were around $420 even with the advertised $349.mo sign and drive lease promotion for 10k 36mo.

    New models have dealers all over the map on pricing until they figure out demand (or think they have it figured out).
  • 399 with no money down??!!!!
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I am just curious on this VW CC, With the sunroof, Does the roof actually open all the way? Or does it just crack open? If it only cracks open, why is it not possible to not open it all the way.

    I am looking at the VW CC, it is a beautiful car! But, that moonroof is a must for me.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    It just tilts.

    I think its too wide (and maybe long) to fit within the roof...and I haven't see a 'new' car stack it on top of the roof.
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