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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan Hybrid

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    They will sell every Milan hybrid they can make, as is. There is no business case to make it different. Making room for the Milan between the Fusion and MKZ does nothing but hold back the Fusion. Look at the Taurus vs. the MKS. With no Sable the Taurus can go upmarket with a lot of options and the MKS picks up where it leaves off. And the Fusion already offers 2 suspensions - regular and sport.

    There is no business case for Mercury in between Ford and Lincoln. Mercury has to have different vehicles. The only reason the Milan exists is to keep the few remaining Lincoln/Mercury dealers in business until they get more Lincoln products.

    One person's desires does not constitute a viable market segment.
  • FYI, Edmund's has full pricing details up for the 2010 Fusion now with option prices. Hopefully Ford will get their site updated very soon.
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 371
    I had noticed this earlier today. The regular gas engine Fusion pricing on Edmunds does not list the SEL FWD V6 just shows SEL AWD V6. Do you know if there will be a FWD SEL? I bought a 2009 SEL FWD V6 in October which I love, but after experiencing a couple of decent snow storms in the past few weeks I've found the FWD Fusion to be absolutely terrible in the snow. If I had the chance to do it again I would have gotten the AWD. From a standing stop on the slightest incline this car would not go. My tires just spun. I have to back up and get a running start. My 2003 Sonata never had that problem. All I can figure is the tires they use on the Fusion must be very poor for all season driving.
  • The V6 is an option under the I-4 SE and SEL
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    The 3.0L V6 is optional on the FWD SE and SEL versions, standard on the AWD versions. The 3.5L V6 only comes on the Sport.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    I'm part of the Ford Direct plan and they just came out with an extra $1K bonus cash so that I can get a 09 Fusion for XPlan pricing PLUS $3500 cash back.

    That means I could get an absolutely LOADED v6SEL AWD for around $25,000 where as a loaded Hybrid will cost me $29,500. If you can't get the XPlan pricing then you'll be paying MSRP+ or around $31,500.

    So the hybrid would cost $4500 to $6500 (less tax credits) more than a V6 all wheel drive model.

    Makes me wonder why I'm stuck on hybrids. I think it's the right thing to do but as a consumer this doesn't make sense. My TCH came with large tax credits and economically I came out good on that. My HH came with no tax credits but I did get a large discount. Still it was probably a $5K to $6K premium. I just wasn't prepared to own another 14mpg SUV so I am happy with it.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    A bit of an apples-oranges comparison. You need to look at the cost of a 2010 V6 AWD Fusion v. the Hybrid. The Hybrid will still be more, but not as much as comparing an 09. Ford needs to move 09s out, as the 10s are close to arriving at dealers. Looking at what the 09 doesn't have: as good mpg as the 10, it has less sound deadening, it does not have stability control, it has less power, and cheaper interior finish. The 09 is a decent car, but it needs to be that much cheaper to sell out.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Slight correction - the 09 models do offer stability control. One of the few things they changed for the 09.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    You are correct. Was thinking of the 08s and older. Does not change my general point though.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    I am also so on the fence on this one. I have the 07 MKZ and am trying to decide on the Milan HB or the 10 MKZ. I think when I load them up they will be close in price. I love the luxury but I also bet there will be something or some reason why gas will spike back up over the next few years. When it does you will not be able to get one of these new HB's. Heck all of the hype going on make make it impossible to get one of these once they start arriving. This is all good news for Ford!
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    I also bet there will be something or some reason why gas will spike back up over the next few years.

    And it won't take much. It could be something as big as the world coming out of ressession and needing gasoline or it could be middle east unrest. I'm hoping for the first but betting on the second as a sure thing.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    I used to have a Prius, and I don't miss it. Let me put it straight, you cannot compare a Prius to a Fusion, you can compare a Camry to a Fusion, but not a Prius. The Prius is in a class by itself, at least until Honda has the Insight on the road. For the Prius, handling, interior room, power, conveniences are all below the midsize cars like the Camry and Fusion. I now own a Camry Hybrid, I like the hybrid tech, but did not like the Prius. If Ford can get these out to the dealers in a decent time frame and can get the price to be competitive to the Camry H, then you will see a lot of these being sold. The only advantage a Prius has as far as room is rear leg room, and cargo space, not enough front leg room and not enough width for a third back seat passenger, where the Camry and Fusion do have the advantage. So far I have not had any problem with trunk space in the Camry, granted it is small compared to the hatchback in the Prius, but it still holds plenty of stuff. If I need more room than that I will drive my Veracruz, or F350 Dually.

    The Prius is ok for the most part, but for a family with 3 kids, it just doesn't cut it, the Camry or Fusion does.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    I used to have a Prius, and I don't miss it

    The thoughts of the Prius ownership and 50mpg is interesting but I found the Camry Hybrid to be overall a very nice package and comfortable. The new Prius interest will make me check it out and the FFE is of interest too. I can get discounts on the FFE so that is a plus. I'll be in the market anywhere between now and November when my lease runs out.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I have a Prius but if I had a young family again it would be the Camry or Fusion hybrids.

    Ford will be severely limited in getting these to the general population due to battery supply constraints. 25000 units is the annual production goal. This is about 1 vehcle per dealer every 60 days. Or IOW the larger stores will get several and the smaller stores will get none. In addition unfortunately unless things pick up all vehicles above $25000 are going to be sitting for a good long time.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    Hey Bob, I'm hoping that I have my mind made up by the time dealers are hungry. I don't want to pay a premium on a Toyota with no tax credit, but am still on the fence about the FFH. Supposedly I can get the FFH at the XPlan price but if the dealer doesn't participate or even have the ability to get one like I would want then it doesn't matter.

    Will the 2010 TCH have the next generation hybrid system?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    At the 5 yr anniversary in 2012 I'd estimate that the TCH gets updated. Lots will be happening at that time frame.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    Then it looks like a 2010 Prius for highest FE or a FFE for the tax credits may be in my furture.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,442
    a dealer can choose to accept x plan or not.
    i doubt if any dealer will be doing that for quite a while.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    i doubt if any dealer will be doing that for quite a while.

    I will probably push that question. I have a Ford dealer that has appreciated the repeat business. Since it will be a small market for them they may rather take the discount on one car than lose many sales down the road. If they could get a hundred then they may be greedy, but if they only get three or four a year then it's not really a money maker for them.

    I'm always willing to walk on a deal and the salespeople I have worked with know I won't come back. Ever.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    What is a FFE?
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