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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan Hybrid



  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    What is a FFE? Simply a typo
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    Ok - I thought I saw it more than once so I wasn't sure.
  • Update

    The new ETA for the first FFH at the local ford dealer is now 3/2/09. Which sounds more reasonable than 2/16th, but I'll believe it when I get to test drive it.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,613
    my focus was PZEV and had the same warranty.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    How does the HB Milan get rated 36-38 mpg on the highway where as a regular Milan does not? They must calculate it differently.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,510
    The HB uses an Atkinson cycle in its I4 engine, which gives it better highway mileage than the regular Milan's I4. The Atkinson cycle has less power at low speed, but that's where the battery power kicks in.

    (Not 'Atkins', unless it's on a diet! Oops)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    The engine uses the Atkinson cycle, plus the battery assist, electric steering, and all of the other things that are different in the Hybrid.
  • zrobl1zrobl1 Posts: 1
    Okay, I want to help stimulate the economy, at the same time help out our auto industry, and oh by the way save money in the process.

    My answer if I buy a Ford Fusion Hybrid I get it all. First I help the only one of the big three not asking me to give them my tax dollars. Second I do my small bit for the environment. Third I get the most economical hybrid available (MSRP $19,270) at 41 MPG. Fourth I get a tax credit on the sales Tax (around $1400). Fifth and finally If I buy by 31 March 2009, I get a $3400 Hybrid car Credit.

    Here’s the problem, you just can’t do it. The car is not available, dealers won’t even give you an estimate on when it will be. What they do say is forget about 31 March.

    Okay so lets try another one, love the look of the Mazda Tribute Hybrid. Sorry only available in California.

    How about the Ford Escape it hits the mark although a lot more expensive (MSRP $39,000 mileage Mpg 25). After a lengthy search I actually find one near Charlotte…where I can pick it up for $54,000.

    Hmmm guess it isn’t going to happen. Frankly I would really like it to be a Ford or if not a company where Ford holds a 40% stake. The other two big three took the government handout and still may fail.
    Well where do I go now?

    How's this for false advertising, spent 30 minutes on line with Ford marketing the confirmed NO WAY to get the $3400 Tax Credit...the vehicle is not available untill June (maybe)
  • lessachslessachs Posts: 44
    I switch from a Prius to the Camry H. Totally agree with coldcranker. Prius gets the chatter but as a family car the TCH is a better choice. :)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,847
    You might want to make a trip to San Diego. Our dealers seem to have over 100 Escape hybrids in stock. The big problem is not one of them is an AWD. So if that is on your list you may be out of luck here. I used the Edmund's inventory feature which the one time I checked it with the dealer was accurate.
  • daninoahdaninoah Posts: 45
    If you order the FFH by 3/31, you qualify for the full $3400 tax credit. That is official news from Ford, not from some blog. I ordered mine last week. The vehicle is estimated to arrive no later than end of April, maybe sooner. I should have a VIN by next week.

    Ford is advertising this vehicle heavy right now. It will be in showrooms by next week.
    As for the FEH, there are plenty available. If you don't have them in your area, just order it from a dealership in California. You will get it at invoice (or less) plus about $500 to ship the vehicle to your doorstep. I did the same thing several years ago when I was getting a raw deal on an Odyssey mini van locally. I bought it for $2500 less from a Honda dealer in Ohio. We still have the vehicle in our garage.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Well Damn, now that I dont need a new car, grrr. BTW, AWD is for sissies, real drivers can get by with one wheel drive! ;) :P :shades:
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    As previously stated, it appears as long as your order is accepted and verified by Ford before 3/31 you get the tax credit.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,847
    I should have mentioned. If you buy from a CA dealer you have to take possession out of the State to avoid CA sales tax. No exceptions that I know of.
  • pableaupableau Posts: 6
    :confuse: Daninoah & akirby,

    My local CA Ford dealer said I had to take delivery of the FFH by Mar. 31 to get the full tax credit, not just place my order by then.

    Have you both confirmed this with your dealers?

    zrobl1's post #369 above says:
    "How's this for false advertising, spent 30 minutes on line with Ford marketing the confirmed NO WAY to get the $3400 Tax Credit...the vehicle is not available untill June (maybe)"
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    I don't have a dealer (not buying). I'm just going by what several others have reported plus the reports of Ford verifying retail orders before 3/31 and the IRS language around the tax credit that has an example of a buyer "buying" a vehicle in August but not actually taking delivery until January. You get the tax credit as of August but you can't claim it until the following year's tax return. I can't think of any other scenario where you would "buy" a vehicle but wait several months to take delivery except for a factory order. Of course this could be different in CA and the interpretation could be wrong, but it does make sense.
  • daninoahdaninoah Posts: 45

    Ford is saying that an order placed for the vehicle by 3/31 qualifies for the credit so long as that same vehicle is purchased. Here is the exact language from the Ford Motor Regional manager in a memo to his dealers (my salesman sent me a copy):

    "Tax Credit Update
    Since Ford Motor Company reached the 60,000 vehicle threshold in the 4th Quarter of 2008, under current federal law the tax credit amounts are reduced by 50% beginning April 1, 2009 and by an additional 25% beginning October 1, 2009.  No tax credit amount is available for hybrids after March 31, 2010. Customers who order or purchase any Hybrids by 3/31/09 will remain eligible for the full tax credit amounts. (This applies to Retail Orders of Fusion/Milan Hybrid.)"

    The way I see it, they are guaranteeing eligibility for the credit (so long as the taxpayer's status allows the credit -- i.e. AMT, total income etc). Check with your dealer again. Ford also put out a press release a couple of weeks ago claiming the same thing.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    If the government really wants to push the sales of Hybrids, then they should make the tax credit permanent, no cut off date. What gets me is all the hype about save the planet, global warming, blah blah blah, yet with hybrids, which are there to help fight the aforementioned stuff, there are rarely any incentives to purchase, rarely ever low financing, and if lucky get one for MSRP.

    And don't get me started about electric plugins!!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    If the government really wants to push the sales of Hybrids, then they should make the tax credit permanent, no cut off date.

    That wasn't the purpose of the tax credit. The purpose was to encourage more manufacturers to start building hybrids. This means Hyundai could start building hybrids and have an immediate $3400 cost advantage over Toyota and Ford. Consumer demand is already there and the hybrid costs are now reasonable, so there is no need for additional consumer incentives. I'd argue that there is no need for any further mfr enticements, either.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,510
    While Ford may be sure the tax credits works this way, isn't it up to the IRS? I'd feel better if Ford was quoting the IRS.
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