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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan Hybrid

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  • daninoahdaninoah Posts: 45
    Go to Pentagon Federal Credit Union. You can get a 60-month 100% car loan for 3.99%. Go get that hybrid! :shades:
  • daninoahdaninoah Posts: 45
    You can change or eliminate all the beeps and voice prompts. Go to the "menu" button below the nav screen, and push it until you see what you need on the screen. :shades:
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    When you tell me a car is superior over another one, I don't really think you should consider cost as a factor in figuring "superiority". If so then a Cobalt and a coulple of hundred other cars are all superior to the FFH
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    Do they not want to sell them? If I could get 4.9% on the Fusion, it would make my monthly payment equal to what I pay now on a Camry Hybrid and would order one today!

    Ford does not need to give a discounted rate to sell these. 0% offers are typically limited to vehicles that are not selling well. In order to go from a used TCH to a new FFH and keep the payment the same, I would assume you had a large down payment on the TCH (because you will lose depreciation) or the TCH had a high interest rate. Usually somewhere in the dealings of trading or selling a used car you have to lose money.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,668
    Who says your definition of superior is the only one?

    How about fuel economy (22 city vs. 41 city)? Or Sync?

    They're both nicely equipped midsized sedans so it's not too much of a stretch to compare them.
  • I got a FFH last Friday and am enjoying it immensely. It was a 502A package so it pretty much came with all the gadgets you could possibly order. My last car was a 96' Explorer so this was a big upgrade in technology and quality. I'm having a blast with the LCD screens that tell my efficiency, and Sirius with the Navigation is cool too.

    When I left the dealership it seemed like the dealership drove it a little and I started out with 16.9 miles to the gallon. Since then I've gotten it up 38 mpg. Most of my driving has been less than 5 minutes away so I think my efficiency is lower than it could be.

    On the freeway I'm getting roughly 40 mpg going 65 mph in the Austin area. Going downtown I've gotten as high as 62 mpg which I was stunned by. In mixed freeway and highway I've averaged as high as 53 mpg. All of these without driving at a snail's pace so I'm definitely satisfied.

    In short, I love this car. It looks good. It drives great, and all the gadgets inside are extremely fun. The only negatives I've noticed thus far is that when music is playing and the car is switching from gas to electric the sound lowers a bit before it goes back to normal. It's not too bad of a gripe, but it is there. The other negative is the gadgets can be distracting when driving because they're so fun. Other than those two, its a great vehicle so far.
  • Your comment about the radio volume decreasing is interesting. After I've driven our car 400+ miles-mainly on the hiway, I haven't noticed this. But when I mentioned it to my wife who has driven our car for 600 miles in city traffic, said, "Yea!! I've noticed that, but didn't know what caused it".
  • daninoahdaninoah Posts: 45
    The car has speed sensitive sound. It can be set to off, or 7 different settings. I would bet the "sound" issue is related to the setting.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116

    I've written about all the the sound gadgets in the FFH at http://ffh.squarespace.com


    Bill,
    Lots of musical options! You should really check out SYNC My Ride. It talks about SYNC, its capabilities, what phones/carriers work, what handheld devices (iPod, Zune, etc) have been tested to work with SYNC, how to update it, and all that kind of stuff.
  • wpwoodjrwpwoodjr Posts: 12
    I did sign up for SYNC My Ride and its a pretty dead web site.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Posts: 4,116
    I did sign up for SYNC My Ride and its a pretty dead web site.

    What information are you looking for from the website? I found it useful when trying to get an iPod to work (the problem was with corruption in the iPod) and also understanding that an AT&T Motorola RAZR can pull the address book and support text messages but the Sprint Motorola RAZR cannot.

    Its also where they have updates for SYNC (including music libraries and what not). That is more for the hard drive, as the metadata associated with MP3 or ACC files is what the SYNC voice engine uses to listen for a song or artist name.

    Honestly I can't believe it took so long for an OEM to come up with something like this. Its been 10 years since the first iPod integration when VW gave away an iPod holder that sat in the cup holder and had a cassette adapter.
  • wpwoodjrwpwoodjr Posts: 12
    Yes I see that I can get updates there but the user-to-user forums are dead. I can't even find the Sync manual on that site.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    Who says your definition of superior is the only one?

    You are absolutely correct. I did not adequately express my thought. What I should have said it was an idiotic comparrison. It is senseless to compare cars in different classes and different market targets as they have different purposes.

    I think the FFH and a Lexus 450h comparison though is indeed a LONG strech for comparison purposes. Then again, the comments may save a lot of people money if they were looking at Lexus and now consider the FFH as a superior purchase decision.

    But in the same strech of comparisons, my HH is superior in many ways to the FFH. It has much more flexibility in space and utility, has 4wd, reclining rear seats, even a third row! But who, from customers buying a FFH really makes that comparison? Pointless.
  • scottphillipscottphillip Posts: 249
    I called Sync, as I was hopping to access stock prices through the system. The representative said that this feature wasn't available on a Ford product. I would trade sports scores for stock quotes. :shades:
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    Checking all dealer inventories in the DC area and the Hybrids are no where to be found! Glad I have mine. I am seeing lots of Milians but not the Hybrids.
  • The sound doesn't lower every time it switches to electric. I've noticed it starts when I'm in gas mode, then when I have to brake at a red light that switches to electric. It starts when the battery charge icon is showing when I'm braking until I come to a halt. As soon as I'm at a complete stop the sound goes back to normal.

    When it stays in electric mode or no braking is involved the sound stays the same.

    Only when it goes from gas above 50 mph to braking which switches into EV mode then until it stops completely. I'll check out the sound settings thing and see if that works.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Speed sensitive volume control is an old concept from Ford. My 97 Exploder had it, and my 01 F150 had it. It works based on the speed of the vehicle, not the drive system. I doubt Ford went to the extra trouble to modify it to reduce when the Hybrid kicks in, since they use the same system in the Non Hybrid models too.
  • hayley2hayley2 Posts: 44
    Since last week Wed averaging about 38 MPG - One round trip of about 60 miles on interstate going approx 65-70 MPH, averaged about 35 MPG. Some short trips city of approx 2-3 miles, even as high as 75 MPG once. Was able to keep it in EV mode most of the short trip.
    I was hoping that this vehicle would have (DRL) Daytime running lights, but evidently not equipped as I see it.
    It is a fun vehicle to drive, very good on the curves, solid car. Have driven a total of 300 miles and gas is almost at the half way mark. :) :) :)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,668
    DRLs can usually be activated by the dealer. Although I don't know why you want them. I find them annoying and don't believe they enhance safety. But that's just my opinion.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    I find they are helpful, only when it rains and the law requires the lights to be on when it rains, and the automatic lights don't come on because its not dark enough. This way you don't have to worry about turning the lights on, and forgetting that you turned them on.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,668
    The Fusion and Milan automatically turn on the headlights when the wipers are on. Problem solved.
  • hayley2,

    I was wondering how you liked your car. The mpg will/should get better. I agree about the DRLs, but I'm glad to hear that the lights come on when the wipers are activated.

    I'm a third-of-the-way thru a 1000 mile trip this weekend. 95+% on interstate at 70 mph. So far my mpg is 39-40 mpg, even with the A/C on and in the hills on the edge of the Blue Ridge Mountains.

    When I was leaving town yesterday, I stopped by the dealer to get my new tag. The sales manager told me that he had 4-5 more hybrids on order, but he doesn't think he will get all of them anytime soon. He is under the impression that Ford is decreasing its output of the Fusion/Milan hybrids. He suspects that hybrids are selling (he has sold all of his and several people have come in and asked about hybrids), but other cars aren't selling well. I suspect that the gov't commitment to buy 17k+ hybrids has something to do with it.

    Has anyone noticed that the oil is changed at 10K? The weight is 5w-20w. The service department told me that the oil should be synthetic or synthetic blend.

    Wyatt
  • Thanks for letting us know where you were driving as well as speed, etc. I live in Vermont and I assune my FFH's mileage will be different from someone who lives in the central plains.

    No long trips (nothing longer than 100 miles.) Mileage about 38-39 mpg. Mileage noticeably different going TO work (900 foot difference) than returning from work.

    I dont have the manual here with me. Are you sure it is 10k between oil changes and not 5k?

    Roger
  • I mis-spoke (mis-wrote?) Ford recommends 7500 between changes.

    (http://www.motorcraftservice.com/vdirs/SPubs/default.asp?TYPE=OWNERGUIDE&pageid- =oghome&gutsid=spubs_serv_all_new&MARKET_LANG=US-EN&YEAR=2010&VEHICLE=Fusion+Hyb- rid)

    Rog
  • scottphillipscottphillip Posts: 249
    I was able to get 60 mpg on my route to work this morning! I wasn't using the AC and the speed limit on much of the route is only 25 mph. I try to watch the EV gauge.
  • hayley2hayley2 Posts: 44
    Wyatt - We love the car. It involves work in progress learning the car how to best engage in EV mode and when and all the gadgets.I just checked the info a few minutes ago and currently reads total of 402 miles driven, long term mileage 39 MPG, and fuel gauge reads just below 1/2, or about 1/4 above the 1/4 mark. 216 miles to empty. As you can see, we have not refilled the gas tank yet. When you refill with fuel, do you try to top off or stop at two clicks or what? I have always topped off with my other vehicles, but this may not be an option from what I have read. Regarding the maintenance schedule, I have read the Owners Manual on Maintenance, and it does indicate service intervals of 10,000 miles which is in line with my VW Passat TDI. I bought an extended warranty (not Ford) from dealer for $1640 good for 60,000 miles or 5 years whichever occurs first. My Dealer has the Black MMH on the lot which came in about three weeks ago.

    The other story which I had not revealed was I picked up the MMH on 4/29 and on 4/30 while going back to the dealer to have pin-striping put on, a young lady made a left hand turn against the light and hit my drivers side fender just in front of the rear wheel. Did not look like much damage, but estimate was $1830. Her insurance company accepted full liability (she received ticket) and Ins. Co. :) is sending check today to have repairs done. Not a good day and did not have the vehicle 24 hours. Life goes on and it is driveable. :)
  • Check pages 308 & 310 of the 2010 Fusion Hybrid Owner's Guide.

    7.5k sounds better and is recommended if you drive in dirty environments or heavy duty city driving.
  • hayley2hayley2 Posts: 44
    I agree with the 7500 miles between oil changes which I had decided would be the range I would use for our MMH. My Dealer offers when you purchase the Extended Warranty, 15 free oil changes and filters which will more than carry me thru 100,000 miles doing the 7500 mile intervals. :)
  • I'm trying to break myself of going pass the initial automatic cut-off when fueling my cars. I'm not comfortable with the lack of a lock on the door and no gas cap. When I add the numbers on miles to empty and miles driven since fill-up it ranges between 650 and 675.

    Check the info on the oil changes and tire rotations service package. When I bought that service, I was quoted 15 changes, etc., but the guy as thinking it would be 3k oil changes. When I when back to challenge his figures, he said for the FFhybrids it would be 7.5k, but only 8 changes with synthetic or synthetic blend oil. My FFH was the first the dealer had sold, he wasn't up on the details. I guess the hybrid Escape has a much different schedule and oil requirement. Is your dealer a AutoNation dealer?

    I really like Michael Jackson's (he's the CEO of AutoNation) ideas about the auto industry and what we need to do to decrease oil consumption and our dependency on middle east oil, but I didn't like some of the "dealer required/automatic options" that go with every car sold by an AutoNation dealer, such as Nitrogen in the tires.
  • hayley2hayley2 Posts: 44
    The 15 Free Oil Changes are offered by the Dealer as an enhancement when you buy the extended warranty. The extended warranty does not cover fluids unless a result of failure of some other component. So I can have oil changes whenever I like, but a total of 15 and then it's over. That will last me probably for the life of the car if I keep it up to 100,000 miles. My dealer is an independent dealer, has quite a number of franchises both domestic & foreign in the state of IL. Not associated with Auto Nation. :)
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