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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan Hybrid

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  • rrollrroll Posts: 5
    The carrier is Rogers Canada. They are working on finding me something that mat work.
  • cmunizcmuniz Posts: 604
    I bought mine on the A Plan, so they will do it. Some are more willing to do it than others, depending on demand, etc. Where the dealers will show their willingness is how much they are willing to give you for a trade-in and how much effort will be required on your part to close the deal. The dealer closest to me would only offer about $3,000 less for my car than the Edmunds recommended trade-in value and they never called me back after I left the showroom. The second dealer I contacted via the internet after verifying that they had an FFH equipped like I wanted on their lot. They called me indicating they were willing to deal. Their 1st offer was a little low, but when I made it clear that I was ready to buy today on my terms they accepted my offer. My advise is to go in prepared with an offer and a willingness to buy to see what they will do.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,747
    I didn't say it was impossible, just rare. Sounds like that dealer is a keeper!
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Two new ones just arrived at Darcar Lincoln Mercury in Temple Hill, MD. One of the Hybrids has an almost 2k internet discount so it is around 29.6k. I am surprised to see that.
  • jeff_hjeff_h Posts: 20
    There is a loaded FFH at Apple Ford in Columbia MD (zip 21045) internet special for $2,500 under MSRP, if you are MD it's worth checking out.
  • trucker49trucker49 Posts: 18
    It's according to the dealer whether they'd except A-plan. A buddy just bought a new Mustang GT, slightly refreshed in '10 over the '09 and the dealer wouldn't sell it to him A-plan. I mentioned it at my dealer and they busted out laughing...they were selling the hot redesigned Mustang @ A-plan when they first came out a few years ago....same with the Fusion Hybrid....I'm going to check out a Milan Hybrid tomorrow!
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    That internet special must have sold. I see one left $500 under MSRP. A buddy just purchased a regular Fusion now he wants the Hybrid. Is there such a thing as turning a car back in?
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Just got back from the Ford dealer. They had a BBQ + Beatles tribute band day. They had a 2010 Fusion Sport which is the closest to the Hybrid package that they have in stock. As soon as a hybrid rolls off the truck its sold.

    Anyhow, I had the wife and kids with so she had a chance to check the car out and she loves it. Compared to the Camry, it made the Camry feel real cheap. More trunk space, more back seat space(legroom), and the seats fit like a glove. The leather material is soft and smooth, and they even have it on the door panels. The dash is much nicer than the Camry and doesn't have that glaring lighted center section. The only thing that was on the meh side were the climate controls, down at the bottom of the stack, and a little hard to see, but considering it is automatic climate control, you would rarely use them anyways. They have 2 hybrids due in soon, a Silver(What is with all the silver cars?), and a metallic gray. Both are maxed out at 32300.

    Silver, what is up with all the silver models? My prius, the only one they had, just off the truck, Silver. The Camry, only one in stock, Silver. 5 Ford dealers with Hybrids in stock, all Silver! :surprise:
  • hoyafanhoyafan Posts: 48
    Here's a neat website that allows you to look up your window label assuming you have your VIN:

    http://services.forddirect.fordvehicles.com/inventory/WindowSticker.pdf?vin=3FAD- P0L3xAR1xxxxx (substitute your actual values for the xxxxx)

    If you've ordered your car, you can even see your name on the window label...
  • jeff_hjeff_h Posts: 20
    As soon as a hybrid rolls off the truck its sold.

    I think that depends on where you are, my dealer in central VA has 4 on the lot, I think 2 are cloth and 2 are leather. I don't know if you are close by, but my salesman has told me that he will sell any of these for $1,000 under MSRP which is a good price but not as good as others I've seen.
  • wpwoodjrwpwoodjr Posts: 12
    I've done a comparison of the 2010 Prius to the Ford Fusion Hybrid here at this link.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Nice review, I could not agree more. I owned a 2007 Prius for 10 months and 24,000 miles. Spot on with everything you mentioned, with the exception of the center console, I guess that was one of the major redesigns, the 2007 - 09 models had an open front floor area, which gave it a sense of more room than it actually had. Materials not only looked cheap, they are cheap, easily scratched, if you used any kind of protectant like armor all, it would dull up quickly and outgas all over the windshield, and because the windshield is so deep, it was a bugger to clean. I now have a 2009 Camry Hybrid, which I would love to trade on a 2010 FFH, but I don't have enough to put down to equal the current monthly payment. The Camry is a big improvement over the Prius, even though there is less cargo room, there is more passenger room, and front leg room, one of my biggest beefs on the Prius. The JBL system in the Camry is actually very good, very nice bass and treble, and even a decent mid range. Not as good as what I have in my Veracruz, but still much better than any other stock sound system I have had before. I think the only thing the Prius has over the Ford is the better fuel economy, but even still, if driven right, the Fusion can probably get what the Prius is rate at, at least my Camry is close to what the Fusion is rated at, I'm getting over 38 MPG mixed driving, and if I get on the highway I can get close to 50 MPG with some careful driving, over 40 in the city if the lights are in my favor. Currently I have too many stops and turns on my daily drive to get closer to 41 MPG, but when I don't have to drop the kids off, I easily see 41. The car is rated 34 MPG, so I say it does quite well.

    With that said, I am waiting before plunging into the Fusion, first so I am not rolling over any negative equity(hopefully there is positive), and second waiting until there are a few out there with 20K+ on the clock and some history. With any luck there may even be some incentives on them once the tax credit is gone. I would rather have low interest financing than a small tax credit.
  • Prior to the recent heat wave in the south, I was getting about 39 mpg for the last 2000 miles, according to the car's meter; a little less (37.7) according to my calculations of gas bought verses miles driven. During this last tank of gas, my mpg dropped 5.5 mpg due to the daily temps at or above 100.

    The electrical drain on the system when you run the A/C when it is 120F inside and 100F+ outside is significant; even when you roll down the windows for a few minutes ("but it blows my hair!") to get the inside temp down to 100F. Psychologically, when I'm experiencing this type of heat, I've found that I'm not as patient with coasting and accelerating real slowly.

    For the last (first) 10 tanks of gas, at fill-up the estimated miles that could be driven on that tank (based on the mpg for the last 500 miles;I think) was 650 to 690 miles per tank. When I filled up this evening, the estimated miles was 600 miles for that tank.

    When it cool down this evening to 88F, I ran errands for 25 miles of city driving, without A/C with windows down, and got about 50 mpg. So, I know the car is still working properly, it's just the heat.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 413
    Whew, am I glad to be back home. Spent a week in Orlando and rented a Chrysler Sebring convertible. It was way to hot to put the top down (but I did anyway). But what a piece of junk the Sebring is. :lemon:

    My Milian HB beat the crap out of it in plain old acceleration. With the Sebring I put my foot all the way to the floor and it barely moved. The 190 hp in the Milian takes off much better. Perhaps it is the torque ratio or something. Also the Sebring just drunk gas and I guess I am just plain old spoiled now. I don't even think about going to the gas station now. I think that I go about 2 times a month at the most now.

    Boy do I love my Milian Hybrid! :shades:
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    OHBOYHOWDY, you got that right. Last week I dropped 3 MPG due to the heat. Too hot and too cold affect all the hybrids. The Prius and the Camry both suffer when it is below 30 and above 80. This morning the temps were in the 60's, and its back to 40 MPG.
  • jbrynerjbryner Posts: 3
    I'm close to pulling the trigger on a Ford Fusion Hybrid or a Mercury Milan Hybrid and I'm obviously looking for the best deal possible. Thanks to a posting I read on this site, I found a dealer in Richmond, VA that is advertising the Fusion Hybrid at $1,000 below MSRP. Does anyone know of an advertised discount better than that?

    I live in West Chester, PA and I'm definitely willing to travel to Richmond, VA or beyond to save $1,000 if my local dealer will not match the price.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    When it is that hot out does the air cool down the car to say 72 like my wifes Caddy does? Also are you driving the Ford Hybrid?
  • jeff_hjeff_h Posts: 20
    That was me that posted the other note, but you can also go to my local dealer, he will also give $1,000 under MSRP and currently has 4 on the lot. Plus, I am an hour north of Richmond so you save some driving. :)

    Go to my profile area and send me an email (on bottom of profile) if you want to coordinate more, I'll be glad to help out.
  • cmunizcmuniz Posts: 604
    My FFH has kept us cool in Dallas when the outside temps were over 100. That was one of my concerns when hybrids first came out, but now that the a/c is electrical it works just fine under any condition. It will affect the mpg since the engine has to run more to charge the battery - not run the a/c.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,698
    Mind if I ask which dealer you used? I'm considering the FFH, live in Dallas. Any comments on them (leaving out the salesperson's name, of course)?
  • wpwoodjrwpwoodjr Posts: 12
    I ordered my FFH from Pacifico in Newtown Square for $500 over invoice - cost me $30,120 before PA taxes for the 502a package. You better get down there today though if open allocation is over at the end of June as some are saying!
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,863
    "Prior to the recent heat wave in the south, I was getting about 39 mpg for the last 2000 miles, according to the car's meter; a little less (37.7) according to my calculations of gas bought verses miles driven. During this last tank of gas, my mpg dropped 5.5 mpg due to the daily temps at or above 100.

    The electrical drain on the system when you run the A/C when it is 120F inside and 100F+ outside is significant; even when you roll down the windows for a few minutes ("but it blows my hair!") to get the inside temp down to 100F. Psychologically, when I'm experiencing this type of heat, I've found that I'm not as patient with coasting and accelerating real slowly. "

    I own a 2008 FEH, which uses the same Ford hybrid drive system. At temperatures above approximately 97F, the FEH increases the engine RPM by about 600, leading to lower gas mileage. This behavior has been confirmed in the 2009 FEH as well. It only happens when the A/C compressor is on - so an easy way to tell is to drive normally and then deactivate the A/C; if the RPM goes down by 600 or so, then the FFH has the same behavior as the FEH.

    I'm wondering if you noticed - was your RPM higher when the A/C is used at higher outside temperatures?

    I have read that the FFH uses electric A/C compressors, so I'm interested to find out if it also has this characteristic...
  • cmunizcmuniz Posts: 604
    I bought it from Westway Ford since they were willing to sell it to me for the A-Plan price plus give me a good trade-in value for my 2007 Lincoln MKZ. In general I did not like dealing with them. I consider them an old fashion dealer where everything goes thru the sales and finance mgrs so it takes forever to close the deal although I knew the car I wanted, didn't want a test drive and had my own financing. They are a volume dealer so their pricing is good. The dealers in DFW seem to have an adequate supply of hybrids so look around for the one you want and the best deal. Good Luck - let me know how it turns out.
  • wpwoodjrwpwoodjr Posts: 12
    No, the ICE isn't even on sometimes when the AC is on. The AC draw on power seems to be treated just like a draw on power from moving the car. Once the battery is low, you go over 47 mph, or the AC draw plus moving the car draw equals a certain threshold, the ICE comes on.
  • jbrynerjbryner Posts: 3
    I was actually able to negotiate a price of $30,215 for the 502a package today with my local dealer. Thanks to everyone on this site for posting how much they paid and where they were able to get deals from, it definitely helped me negotiate a lower price.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Just got back from a short trip with the wifes Caddy STS w/nav. We wanted to go to a close restaurant and punched in Restaurants in the Nav and it asked what type we wanted. We chose All but it wouldn't list out any unless we put in a name. How can we put in a name when we are in a strange town when I don't know what the names are. Anyway for those of you with the FFH and Nav. how does it work. My Garmin starts with the nearest Restaurant and goes from there.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Their value rating bugs me. They underestimate the value of the Fusion greatly. First is the comparison against the base model Fusion being $8k, when it is actually less when you put the options that are standard on the Hybrid into the base. Second is the fact that nearly everyone who says you will never make up the premium in gas savings fails to realize the fact that the premium cost carries over when they sell the car. Its like a diesel truck compared to a gas truck, same make, model, year, mileage truck gas vs diesel, you will see the diesel always has a higher resell value, nearly equal to the up front cost paid for the diesel option.

    For a better more direct cost comparison, lets take a new Camry SE verse Hybrid. The SE is the closest in comparison to what comes in the base Hybrid.

    SE 27,008
    Hybrid 28,363
    Roughly a $1300 "Premium"

    These are built with near identical options through their website.

    Now used values for 2009 models.

    SE ~ 20-21K
    Hybrid ~24-25K

    Lets now see depreciation,
    SE $27,008 - $21,000 = $6,008
    Hybrid $28,363 - $24,000 = $ 4,363

    Nearly a $2000 difference, the SE now has cost you more than the $1300 Premium.

    I took the low end for the Hybrid since they vary so much, and there are more UP models than base.

    From what I have seen in used car prices so far, depreciation on the hybrids is actually less than the non hybrid models, so that pretty much proves that the hybrid does pay off in the long run in both gas savings and resale value, unless of course you are hard on the car and don't take care of it.

    The above numbers are off the Edmunds used car listings, and not made up numbers, just an average of what is available in my area. The new car prices are right off the Toyota website in the build your own area. Hybrid base, only options are the floor mats, the SE the JBL option package that brings the SE up to the same basic components that are standard in the Hybrid, plus floor mats.

    I paid $28,500 total for my 2009 TCH, $500 down financed $28K. I can turn around and sell for roughly $24K. I would say that's a pretty good deal considering I owe less than that on the loan. If it were not a hybrid, I would be upside down on the loan.
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