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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan Hybrid

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    if Ford can make enough of them...

    You can bet that Toyota will do everything in their power to undermine the parts supply as they did with the Escape Hybrid. They had common suppliers if memory serves me. And Ford claimed they were being held up by Toyota.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    That could actually be a great piece of PR if Toyota sinks that low. However, it sounds as if a couple of new battery manufacturers are coming on-line in the States (well, assemblers maybe).
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    AFAIK Ford still has to use the same Japanese suppliers it did in the past for the near term. But...it has already signed a supply agreement with Johnson Controls/SAFT of France to be their main client. When it comes on stream is anybody's guess. I'd say 18 months for full production for Ford alone.

    Oh, and who said that business needed to be fair? The business I know is kill, maim and crush...but do it with a smile and a handshake.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Oh, and who said that business needed to be fair? The business I know is kill, maim and crush...but do it with a smile and a handshake.

    Actually, I've always thought of it as more of a football game. You can get away with murder so long as the refs don't throw the yellow flag. Then you're gonna get penalized.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    I believe they're using a different battery supplier for the FFH (Sanyo??). They're still constrained by battery capacity though.

    How many TCHs did Toyota sell last year?
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    For the 2008 calendar year, Camry Hybrid sold 46,272 units, a drop of 15.1% from the year before.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    The other thing to question is - if they can get such great mileage out of the Prius - why is the Camry hybrid so low? That's the real comparison for the FFH, not the Prius. The Camry hybrid does not get "low" mileage. It is a bigger, heavier, roomier car than the Prius, it is equipped like a luxury car, and it gets better mileage than all intermediates, save the Fusion hybrid. The Prius as I am sure you know is a dedicated hybrid, with comcommitant weird styling and very low hp relative to the Camry. The Fusion leapfrogged the Camry a bit...I expect the next Camry hybrid (the current one is several model years older than the 2010 Fusion) will show strides as well.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Remember, too, that until we get cars on the road a "real world" drivers tell us the MPG the new Fusion/Milan is really getting, we don't really have good comparison data.

    Since the FEH is the best-mileage hybrid SUV on the road, it's not surprising that the FFH/MMH will have a strong number for it's size.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    I meant low in comparison to the Prius and the FFH. My point was that you can't compare the FFH fuel economy to the Prius because it's a different vehicle from the Camry/Fusion.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    One big advantage Toyota has is their hybrid's have been reliable. While I haven't heard anything bad about the hybrid Escape, the Fusion will be unproven. That said, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Prius. I don't need to make a statement. Hell, I love my '07 Expedition that I use to tow our boat and camper. The Camry Hybrid seems to be a good car, but to stale a driving experience for me. I've driven many Camry's and their steering feel is like a Buick, horrible IMO. The Fusion would be my pick, decent acceleration, with good steering and chassis performance, plus class leading FE.

    I read the C & D comparison and at least Ford seems to have something for their efforts. As usual GM is a mess as the Malibu hybrid is basically a joke. I'm thinking the Volt will to be to late.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    At $40000 the Volt won't even be a blip on the radar. It's too expensive, especially in this new world of diminished expectations and diminished credit availability.

    Ford, Toyota and Honda have it right. Get the hybrid technology into the vehicles that the bulk of the customers actually can buy. GM needs it's 2-Mode technology in the Malibu tomorrow, but it's at least a year or two away. GM has all of its efforts wrapped up in the Volt.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    While I haven't heard anything bad about the hybrid Escape, the Fusion will be unproven.

    The Fusion hybrid system is just an improved version of the Escape system. The Escape system has been flawless as far as I know - they're even being used as NYC taxis. If it hasn't failed by now I don't think it will. And there's no reason to think the Fusion will be any different based on it's track record.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    If it hasn't failed by now I don't think it will. And there's no reason to think the Fusion will be any different based on it's track record.

    I agree with you, but the point I was attempting to make is that Ford does not have the reputation regarding their hybrids that Toyota has. It's been well publicized that Toyota's hybrids are very reliable. I'd say most people aren't aware of a hybrid Escape.

    With the 2010 Fusion, I think Ford definitely has a winner. GM still looks lost as ever.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    But Ford's overall reputation for quality is becoming widely known (finally), especially on the Fusion. So you have a vehicle with stellar quality and a hybrid system that's been proven in the Escape. I don't see a problem.
  • bigtbigt Posts: 412
    I agrree and I am in about to go pre-order my Milan Hybrid. Going to sell my MKZ.
  • bigt said: "I agrree and I am in about to go pre-order my Milan Hybrid. Going to sell my MKZ."

    Smart move. Fun one, too. I'm guessing you'll have it in another 4 months. The delay will be caused by the glowing Feb. 2009 Car and Driver test review of it spiking demand.
  • Well, the upcoming Honda Insight got its first test from Edmunds recently. Its small like the Prius, and has even wimpier wheels/tires, 15" 175mm wide tires. The Prius has 15" 185 mm tires. They're now saying they expect the Insight to have EPA MPG figures of about 40 for both city/hiway, about the same as the Fusion. The Fusion hybrid will be a roomier, larger, more useful vehicle for those that need the interior space, and the Fusion will be safer (larger vehicle). The Insight will be priced much cheaper than a Fusion or Prius, so there is an advantage there.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    Plus, contrary to that report, the Insight will get significantly better mileage.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Huh? Contrary to the report that it will get about the same mileage as the Fusion, it's going to get more? Based on what information exactly?
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/11/abg-first-drive-2010-honda-insight-63-4-mpg/

    Ratings will be higher than Fusion (as they should be...smaller, lighter, less powerful), and careful driving should net you 60 mpg.
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