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Dodge Dakota problem

kfritzkfritz Posts: 8
I have a 2005 Dodge Dakota, 4.7 V8 4x4. The other day I purchased 3/4 of a tank of 91 octane gasoline in order to completely fill my tank. After filling the tank I drove home and the truck sat there overnight. Before and after the fill up the truck ran excellent, however, the next moring driving away from my home the engine began spit , sputter and misfire and bog down when I gave it gas. I believe the gasoline I purchased had water in it, so I had a bottle of heay duty HEET hoping it was a water problem but it appeared not to help.
Using my key I was abale to get the code of PO331 on the odometer, however, from the list of codes I have there is no such code number.
Please advise as to what you believe the problem might be and comments on the code munber.
Thanks,
kfritz
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  • Can you replace this? or can I bypass this and put on a shorter serpentine drivebelt? My air has been out since I hit a deer and the condensor is shot, so can I bypass the AC and put on a shorter serpentine belt and bypass the the clutch bearing pulley on the AC? Is there a part for the 3.9L for a 98 Dakota Sport extended cab w/o air that will fit it? Looking for the best scenario and the least expensive.
    Thanks,
    Dave
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    Is this a High Output 4.7 motor?

    P0331 is a "bad knock sensor circuit 2" problem.

    Regards,
    Dusty
  • It states V8/Magnum. And, yes it was knocking and than the engine light came on.
    It was been 2 days since I put the HEET into the tank and I have not been driving the truck, however, today, 12/15, I started the engine and drove a short distance and it continues to run fough. I could not get the code to reappear, so I disconnected the NEG battery terminal to start over.
    Hope this info helps.
    Sincerely,
    Kfritz
  • It states V8/Magnum. And, yes it was knocking and than the engine light came on.
    It was been 2 days since I put the HEET into the tank and I have not been driving the truck, however, today, 12/15, I started the engine and drove a short distance and it continues to run rough. I could not get the code to reappear, so I disconnected the NEG battery terminal to start over.
    Hope this info helps.
    Sincerely,
    Kfritz
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    Well, the trouble code indicates that the Knock Sensor circuit is inoperative.

    Regards,
    Dusty
  • Dear Dusty:
    Thanks for your reply of 12/15/08. I hope you received my reply to your question about the engine. Yesterday I took the truck to a Dodge dealer to be fixed. Today, 12/16/08, they said it was fixed and I could pick it up. They told me the problem was a faulty coil on #1 cylinder and the spark plug, both were replaced, total $175.00. As I was leaving the service department the truck knocked and sputtered and the engine light came back on. I returned immediately and they started working on it again. This time the said they were getting several different codes and they determined it was a faulty computer and ALL of my spark plugs were worn and need replaced. However, they said the computer was under a 8 year/80,000 mile warranty, therefore no cost to me.
    I feel very uneasy about what is going on and I would appreciate your thinking on this matter.
    Thanks.
    Sincerely,
    KFritz
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    Frankly, I think replacing the coil was the result of them finding an extraneous code or chasing a hunch. I don't see a connection of a weak or failed coil to a knocking problem and a P0331 code.

    Without knowing what the other codes were, and the fact that the code you retrieved was a "Knock Sensor Circuit" code, a failed PCM could easily explain this problem. They should have a DRB3 diagnostic tool and that should be more than adequate in determining a faulty PCM. They're going to be very sure the PCM is bad before charging this out on warranty, because returned PCMs are one of those components tested on being received at Chrysler. If its not bad the dealership will be charged back for it.

    Since the PCM is under warranty, I think you're probably okay letting them proceed and then evaluate whether the problem was resolved.

    Regards,
    Dusty
  • Dear Dusty,
    The dealer called and said the truck was done, I ampicking it up tomarrow, 12/18/08. It will be interesting to see if it's fixed. I have a very bad feeling about this dealer, for one, if my spark plugs needed replacing why did they not do that the first time the worked on it? I have a feeling it isa way to correct additional money from me. The very first time I was at this dealer was on Thursday, 12/11/08, I needed addition keys for the truck and I purchased 1 key fob and 1 key that would unlock and start the truck @ a cost of $200. The serviceman said it would take 10 to 15 minutes to program then at additional $45. However, it took them over an hour to get the job done, do you think that they could have done error that caused my original problem and effected the computer?
    Would appreciate any thinking on this matter.
    Thanks.
    Sincerely,
    KFritz
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    I do not think the remote lock reprograming and a faulty PCM are connected at all. The controller for the Remote Door Lock feature is located in the Central Timer Module.

    Good Luck. Let us know how everything worked out.

    Best regards,
    Dusty
  • Dear Dusty:
    Guess what? Pick up the truck this morning, 12/18/08, and as I was driving away the engine came on and it knocked, spitted and sputtered. Return to the dealer, this rassing hell. I called the Dodge factory Customer Service (Bombay Pizza) and are to contact the dealer. Called the owner of the dealer, he did return my phone (surprise). Filled compalaint with BBB ( waste of time). The Service department called this afternoon, they said it was a new problem and he gave me a bunch of double talk, I told him they can the F"" truck. Stoped payment on my Visa and I believe Monday I will give this matter over to my attorney. Thank god I have another care ( or maybe I should not be thank and get a horse and buggy.
    Thanks for your comments on the key programing.
    Sincerely,
    KFritz
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    I'm really sorry to hear this. It's begining to sound like they cannot duplicate the problem and/or they are shotgunning. It is also begining to sound like they don't have a good electrical diagnostic person there.

    Best regards,
    Dusty
  • Dear Dusty:
    Here, in Fort Wayne, IN, we were hit with a bad ice storm and my home was without electricity, heat, water and phone on Friday morning. Needed the vehicle charger the my cell phone which was in my truck and, of course, my truck was at the Dodge Service Department. As we were approaching the Dodge Service Department, to get my charge, we saw an service employee in my truck spinning around in the iced lot and race down the street. Of course, no management was and had no idea what was going on. Once again called the owner of the dealership, which I don't believe I will hear from to report this unjustifiable action. However, I did speak with the "Service Manager" that afternoon and his cavalier attitude, was as
    before. And of course my truck engine light remains on.
    Is there any other place I can file a complaint about this business, so far it appears no one much gives a [non-permissible content removed] about this matter.
    Sincerely,
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    I'd wait to hear from the owner of the dealership first, but then I would place a formal written complaint to Chrysler and the Fort Wayne, Indiana Better Business Bureau. If that doesn't get a more sympathetic response, try a local television station.

    Regards,
    Dusty
  • Dear Dusty:
    Thanks for the advise. Have files a complaint with Dodge/Chrysler and BBB. The owner appears to be avoiding me. He is must always unavailable or out of town. He is aware of the past problems and the most recent and he called me from"out of town" today left a message" Your truck is done and can be picked up", he never said anything about his manager or the incident with my truck. I am not pick the truck until he is there and then I will test drive it with him or his "Service Manager".
    If the engine light comes on again on this test drive I will take it to a auto electrical speaclist and sue him for the charges.
    Thanks.
    P.S. Do all 2005 Dodge dakotas have these problems? It would so, from all I read at this web site. This is my first and last Dodge product.
    Sincerely,
    KFritz
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    No, not all Dakotas have these problems. Remember you are reading a web site that exists specifically to address problems. My Dakota has run perfectly for seven years and 114,000 miles, and I cannot think of anyone I know personally that has owned or does currently own a Dakota with any serious problems. In fact, I go so far as to say that the Dakota is on par with any pick-up out there with respect to serious problems. See if your local Better Business lists the past lemon law transactions. You might be surprised!

    Dusty
  • Sorry if this has already been discussed. I searched and found nothing. I am new here, this is my 3rd dakota and probably my last. What idiot engineer would design a 2 wd vehicle using sealed front wheel bearings? Sealed bearings have a very very limited life and a very very limited application and that is not a motor vehicle.

    With that said - Has anyone taken a front hub apart, got the Timkin bearing, race and seal numbers and rebuilt a front hub?
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    I have to disagree with you on this one. Wheel bearings are prone to failures caused by heat, loss of lubricant, and/or contamination from dirt and moisture. A sealed bearing is generally better and retaining its lubricant and keeping moisture and dirt out of the bearing assembly. Their heat capacity is determined by design.

    In my experience Dakotas are rarely in need of front wheel bearings, even at high mileage. Mine at 114,000 miles are fine, and two other 120,00 plus mile Dakotas I'm familiar with are still sporting the originals as well. My son's old Dakota got to 371,000 on the originals.

    I use to repack the fronts on my Chevies every 25,000 miles and I still would lose one before 100,000 miles anyway.

    If you've had a lot of brake/rotor overheating then I could understand front wheel bearing failures.

    Regards,
    Dusty
  • Have to agree with Dusty on this. I have over 80K miles on my 2000 Dak and have spent plenty of time on the beach as well as going through a lot of standing water without any bearing problems. Additionally, I have had several other vehicles with well over 100K miles, all with sealed bearings and never had a problem.

    Ron
  • My son has a 97 four wheel drive dakota that has started stumbling and backfiring through the throttle body on the road, idles five and starts ok. Check engine light is on now have not checked the code. temp and pressure ok Thanks for your thoughs My 95 dakota has almost 238.000 miles I rebuilt the tranny at 231,000
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,931
    Possibilities:

    *Bad ignition components (distributor cap, rotor, plug wires, spark plugs)

    *Bad ignition coil

    *Bad reluctor in the distributor

    *Defective crankshaft position sensor

    *Vacuum leak; defective intake manifold gasket

    *Defective catalytic converter

    *Low fuel pressure

    *Bad PCM

    Best regards,
    Dusty
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