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2010-2011 Buick LaCrosse

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  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    I agree that there may be some concerns relating to tire size change. But I'm unsure that GM figured that much out.
    According to build it site, Buick offered the H-arm suspension on all except the bottom one near the end of 2010's, maybe early 2011. I know because I was very interested in the special suspension.
    It was listed for awhile that way on the top three models, maybe even standard. I assumed it was needed for the AWD setup.
    Note, at that time it did not include 19" wheels or the full time monitoring of suspension system.
    By the build it site, it totally disappeared as an option for awhile. Not listed with any level.
    After a couple of months passed, it was back on the build it site, but only available on the CXS. This is the first I recall it being an option, that is part of an option package as well.
    So, when I ordered I was aware it included the H-arm, 19" wheel, and full time adaptive suspension with sport mode.
    But no one said anything about the horrible Goodyear tires being part of it.
    With my experience, I can not think of any good reason to make them part of the package.
    Except maybe you drive too fast all of the time. I noticed that at 100 the roughness went away and the noise was less noticeable because of increased other noises. Steering was very crisp at those speeds and faster.
    Perhaps the Michelin would degrade a little at those speeds, but who really drives that fast all the time.
    It would seem the advantages of the Michelin would be far greater than the Goodyear.
    Either tire would benefit from a little fine tuning of that suspension system.
    What I noticed on some surfaces was the poor planning of the articulation of the H-arm. A slight bump in the road would cause a rear tire to move in and out and induce sway on the rear of the vehicle. Likely the stiffness of the Goodyear and the low profile contributed to the degree of this bad handling. By going to sport mode, which stiffened suspension, it eliminated that sway in all but the worst cases. And that road was rough to the point that the stiffness made for a hard ride.

    So, when the H-arm was on CXL FWD and CXL AWD and CXS with the 18" wheels, the higher profile likely made that action less objectionable, allowing more give to sidewall.
    In all, I'd say GM could have designed better. Initially to chose better pivot points to reduce the in and out action of the wheel. Add load leveling so no matter your load, the rear behaved the same way. Also by not allowing those big height changes on the rear, you don't effect the steering angles on the front. Nor headlight aiming.
    It is almost as if they chose to make a worse vehicle.
  • cooleyddcooleydd Posts: 105
    I have had the dealer look at the delay twice and they could not reproduce. Contacted GM Customer Service. The outcome of that contact was "If the dealer can not reproduce - there is nothing we can do". So I live with the shifting delay and compensate in the way I drive.
  • cooleyddcooleydd Posts: 105
    I have a 2010 Lacrosse (6 cyl) and a Chev Cobalt and a Pontiac Vibe. I need to make these so they do not run and want to do so without disconnecting the batteries. Any easy way to do this or any gadget that I could add. Have a problem child that will steal them if she finds a key (we try to hide).

    Suggestions please - something easy to do but she would never know.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Find out which fuse is the fuel pump and pull it out.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • I just got a 2010 White Diamond LaCrosse CXS with 16k on it about a month ago, and I am absolutely in love. Mine is completely loaded including HID & HUD. I recently had the chance to drive a CXL 4cyl while mine was in to have the tires re-balanced. I must say there is quite a difference in those two cars. I don't think I'd pay good money for the lesser model. I don't mean this snobbishly but I kind of wish they had not produced those lesser versions thus cheapening the model line with them.
    The seats were no where near as comfortable as the perforated ones in the CXS also, the ride was not as soft or quiet either, not to mention the lack of power. It felt like a completely different car, more like a Camry. Did I mention that I'm in love with this car!
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,230
    joelippard3,

    Welcome and congrats on purchasing your CXS. And welcome to the growing number of satisfied LaCrosse owners. For a moment there I thought you quoted a purchase price of $16k, which would have been be a phenomenal deal, but on further review it was the odometer reading. Nonetheless, enjoy your LaCrosse and Happy Thanksgiving.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    Really? And just what are the Hyundai's mysterious "set of issues"? Do you have evidence that Hyundai is paying automotive journalists to praise their products, or is that something you made up? Instead of being grumpy, you need to get out and drive the new Azera and Genny V6. Nothing is "several cuts" above them.

    Granted Buick is improving, and I'm very happy about that. I wish I could justify buying American. However when I plunk down $35K, I have to get the best car for the money. IMHO, that's not a Buick right now.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I had an 09 Genesis and now a 12 LaCrosse PIII. The LaCrosse is the better car in most every way. The Genny handles better at the limits at the major expense of ride quality, and has a slight edge in interior materials. The Lacrosse ride blows away the Gen, the 3.6 is smoother than the 3.8 and equal to the 4.6. GMs HiPer struts practically eliminate torque steer and the car has a great balance of ride/handling not floaty but not harsh either.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Posts: 2,770
    As a proud owner of a '10 Lacrosse CXS as well as 3 other Buicks, I'll STILL say Hundee is the official car of the underemployed!!!! ;)
  • I agree the new Azera looks good. Hyundai hit the mark targeting Honda with their Elantra and Sonata. The problem is many Americans don't look to Honda as a benchmark any longer.

    The 2012 Azera needs to come in under $30K to make a big impact. It looks good and has specs to attract the baby boomers that want refinement. Price will be key. At $35K the new Azera won't do a lot of damage. At $29K it could be a home run.
  • Congratulations on your new vehicle, joelippard3! I'm glad you love it so much, and I hope it serves you and your friends and family well!

    All the best,
    Sarah
    GM Customer Service
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    Lacrosse CXS with Touring is HARSH on quite a few surfaces, especially if you opt for sport mode to take the sway out of the rear.
    Much discussion, thinking is that the 19" Goodyear are responsible for much of it. I personally would agree with that, but since I have not driven any equipped the same without the Goodyear, I cannot testify to that or if something would be lost in the handling with different tires.
    The hyper strut is claimed to be eliminating torque steer, but I'm not sure on that. I had a 96 Olds Aurora, with the Aurora/Northstar engine, and it had absolutely no torque steer. It's suspension was very different and because of the quality of ride I wish GM had continued it.
    I do agree that the hyper strut is much better than without for handling. But I'm not sure of the reason for an item. That is if cornering, or turning even a little, from a dead stop it was easy to break the tires loose, squealing. Not exactly confidence building as to what might happen in other cornering situations, but it never broke loose other than from a dead stop or unless there was a little fresh snow. That and the Goodyears has been discussed at length, and it seems to be an absolute that you don't want those tires with any amount of snow.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    kCongrats. hope all stays well. Can you give a bit more detail as to equipment? There were many changes, even mid-year. There were a number of complaints involving the Nav system and it's function involving 2010 models. Also changes in suspension. That is you may have gotten H-arm without 19" Goodyear or the electronic suspension control. Also it seems the side mirror puddle lamps were added late and then the SBZA a bit later.
    You mention seating being better. What did the 4 cylinder have? Cloth or non-perforated leather? Comparing the perforated leather and cooled, I found them very uncomfortable for the distance compared to other vehicles in both leather and cloth. Even a several year old Jeep, high end, had superior seating for distance.
    Does yours have the high end HK audio? I found CXL to be quieter and I contribute that to the quieter Michelin tire and because they had the low end audio which does not have speakers in the rear deck. Because of poor sound deadening material in the trunk and the lack of a speaker enclosure to isolate the trunk from the interior via the speaker, noise entered that way as well.
    Also some noise likely because the seals at the front door edge were not making contact with the fender, as observed from outside the vehicle.

    I am in total agreement regarding the articulating HID and the HUD. They make such a difference in driving safety that they should be added to almost all vehicles. It is something I include in my wish list from now on. I'm pretty sure you don't have SBZA, but that is something I really liked until it got messed up. When it was working as designed, it eliminated much of the time needed to thoroughly check surroundings. That extra time can lead to a serious rear-ending of vehicles that suddenly stop ahead of you.
    Happy motoring.
  • Mine is a late 2010. I havent' had any trouble with the NAV system, or any other components for that matter. I do have the Hyper-Strut Electronic suspension which is what I wanted, combined with those beautiful 19" wheels. I also have the puddle lamps but not the SBZA.

    The 4cyl had the non perforated leather and they definetly were not as comfortable as the seats in my CXS. I also have the Harmon Kardon system and it's miles better than the standard.

    I'm not sure those Goodyears are the best choice for a car of this caliber and I highly doubt that I'll replace them with the same. I tend to buy Continentals and will likely replace the Goodyears with their DWS tire when they are worn out. They have assured me they have balanced them as best as they can but they still are not 100% perfect, hopefully they'll wear in a bit if I don't rotate too frequently.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    kGood to hear everything is working.
    I once got a "Service Suspension System" on the DIC. I know the dealer replaced nothing. They said they could find nothing wrong and just reset it. In retrospect, I wonder if they just turned the system off.
    You are so right about the audio system. The standard is like something that came from the 60's as the base radio.
    I doubt the Goodyears will last long enough to wear the tread off. Note! They have full coverage till about 13000miles and then it drops drastically. I had two go bad in that time. And unfortunately they were not on the same axle. The first one around 9K and the first thing I noticed with the new tire is you could tell you had a new one and one with some use on the same axle. It seems that with these tires, the Goodyear anyway, perhaps sizing too, that they really should be handled like shocks or any other tire purchase. Always in pairs, whether one axle or two.
    I had done some shopping and it seems the Continental and Michelin would both be wise choices. Note, I had tried to get rid of these Goodyear from day one. Less than 50 miles on rubber and two major tire dealers told me they give me for the tires, $50 and $0.
    Not just on this vehicle, GM has been having major issues with Goodyear tires. Hard to keep balanced and abnormal wear patterns. The Chev dealer was trying to overcome some of it by recommending frequent rotations. Along with quality of tire, they were blaming low air for the cupping that was occuring and hence frequent rotation. And on air, it seems to be a known problem, that GM aluminum alloy wheels leak air. I found myself adding air as often as twice a month to maintain recommended pressure. That sucks, having to do that much maintenance for tires.
    You'd wish you had the SBZA if you had experience with it. That is assuming you don't have malfunction issues with it. Then it is junk.

    Good Luck.
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,230
    Not sure if this article is an insult or a compliment but here goes.

    TrueCar.com compiled a list of the top brands purchased by seniors in 2009 and 2010, by percentage of buyers.

    Topping the list of brands were Buick, Lincoln and Cadillac.The survey shows that 58.9% of LaCrosse buyers were seniors.

    Although it has been gaining buyers in all segments, Buick leads all brands in the percentage of senior buyers, with 57.5%. For the first seven months, Buick sales rose 27.2%, leading all GM brands, while the average age of the brand's buyers is falling. Read more at
    http://www.thestreet.com/story/11230364/1/10-top-cars-old-folks-buy.html?cm_ven=- outbrain&psv=outbraintopstories&tools=
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,914
    I have had Goodyear Eagle tires as OEM equipment on several cars and would never buy them as replacements. They tend to be lousy tires in my experience. I suspect they are sold to manufacturers on the basis of some MBA's spreadsheet of best price/performance, which means they are a compromise. I tend to be a Michelin man when it comes time to replace tires and have had very good luck with every Michelin tire I have ever owned.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • cooleyddcooleydd Posts: 105
    I just did a search on a Nav Upgrade disk and found out the price is $190 - WOW - I can buy a new Garmin for half that amount (and for a little more have free lifetime upgrades).

    I suppose this is excluded from either the initial warranty of an extended warranty.

    THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, WHEN YOU PAY THIS MUCH FOR THE CAR AND THE SYSTEM - UPGRADES SHOULD BE FREE OR SOMEPLACE WITHIN A RESONABLE PRICE. WOULD NOT BUY THIS PRODUCT AGAIN WITHOUT AT LEAST FREE UPGRADES DURING ANY WARRANTY.
  • Which is one of the reasons I opted to NOT buy the NAV pkg. I reasoned I could buy over 3 years of OnStar turn-by-turn directions service and still not come close to what the NAV would have cost new on my 2011 CXS. I also have a Garmin that I carry in the car to use when all else fails. Sure, I don't have the whatever GB hard drive but my iPhone works great for my musical enjoyment. Why should I take the time to download music to my car when it's all in the iPhone? I don't see a downside to not being able to record from the radio. I canceled XM after the free period. I just don't spend my life in the car so all these entertainment options don't really matter to me.
  • bobinorbobinor Posts: 63
    edited November 2011
    I have never experienced "sway" in my 2011 CXS with the 19" and GYs. Just returned yesterday from a 1500 mile round trip to Calif. from Oregon and the car still rides like a dream. If you recall, we have a bit of rain in Oregon and the first half of our trip was in rainy conditions.

    I'm at about 8700 miles on the CXS and this is the 2nd trip to Calif. Yes, different road surfaces make the tires ride quieter or noisier but that's the pavement as much as the tire. Even on the noisiest surface, aggregated concrete, the sound is nowhere near as objectionable as the noise from my 2010 Equinox with 18" Michelins on asphalt. YMMV
  • Don't suppose anyone has figured out this clock problem. Had the same thing happen as what happened to Dwight. The dealership said my Lacrosse was supposed to automatically adjust for the time change. It didn't this time & I've tried multiple, multiple times to set it following the manual. What is the deal?!

    Shell
  • cooleyddcooleydd Posts: 105
    Update: After finding the cost of new maps of $190.00 for my Lacrosse I decided to look around at portable nav units. I found a Garmin 1490 with lifetime maps and lifetime traffic. It has 4 map updates a year. I purchased the unit for around $160 from Amazon and updated the maps. I charged the battery and added addresses.

    It also has Bluetooth and paired it to my phone. Now I can use all of the phone numbers in my cell phone to call hands off. I do not have to add phone numbers. In addition it has all of the phone numbers of the Points of Interest so I can locate one and call. I can call these phone numbers by voice as I do on my cell phone.

    All in all it is a terrific unit and I like it really better than the nav in the Lacrosse. Although I bought this for another car I think I may just buy another one for my Lacrosse. It is worth it just for the map updates. It has all of the bells and whistles of the Lacrosse nav unit plus some additional ones like speed limits of major toads (and even some minor roads) displayed.

    It is a 5" screen (smaller than the Lacrosse) but is more easily read and more information displayed.

    I don't think I will ever buy a built-in nav unit again in a car. I can buy these portable units for all my cars at a price far less than one Lacrosse nave unit. In addition I can move them from car to car when I buy a new car.

    Recommended
  • You trade mobility for security and convenience. These units are stolen with great frequency.
    Caveat Emptor
  • cooleyddcooleydd Posts: 105
    I could have a lot of these units stolen before I hit the cost of the nav unit.

    I find the Garmin to be convenient and better security because it is up to date with maps. There are other things about the Garmin that makes it as convenient, if not more so, than the built in nav unit.

    Don't get me wrong I love my Lacrosse - don't know off hand of any other car I would trade it for. It has its problems, as discussed here, but no more so, at least in my opinion and probably less,than most brand new model cars (mine is a 2010 bought soon after introduction.

    But for the price of the nav unit it ought to come with lifetime map updates free or a very small cost. They have the updates anyway and they are downloadable which is very low cost for GM.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Aftermarket Nav units are generally better than just about any in-dash OEM unit. The integration is where the OEM Units shine. You can have your radio cranked up and the system lowers the volume to tell you your next turn, and no aftermarket unit is going to put the directions on the HUD as the LaCrosse does.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • Hey, guys, no love for OnStar turn-by-turn as the alternative to built-in NAV? Never have to worry about map updates, directions cut in over radio or phone calls, turns are displayed on the DIC as well as the larger screen as you approach them (or you can keep them up there, your choice), friendly, efficient service by OnStar reps when you ask for directions, etc.

    OK, no HUD and you can't scroll around your route to see adjacent streets/roads but the idea is just to get to someplace you don't otherwise know how. Not to play with maps. Apps in my iPhone give me all the POI I need that a NAV or Garmin can.

    I'm sure all you NAV owners got the email from GM offering a Christmas special $50 off on DVD updates to NAV maps. My wife's 2010 Equinox LTZ has the NAV so I inquired what it would cost for the 'Nox update. $149.99 after $50 off. It listed 2 versions available: one dated 2011 and the other dated 2012. I called to find out what the difference was and the answer was priceless. They have a bunch of the 2011 (older) versions available and try to get rid of them. How nice of GM to be sure to give us the opportunity to get a version that's already out-of-date! The way the 2 versions were described on the web site after loading in your make, model, etc. was perplexing. The 2011 version described by make the cars it fit. The 2012 version had some cryptic description that had no mention of a car model/make. It seemed to me to be a means to steer a prospective buyer to the older version since their car model was not in the 2012 label. Cunning strategy?
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Posts: 1,380
    I see a disturbing trend in this area. That is a lot of the 2010+ showing up on used car lots. These are not GM lots but lots unaffiliated with any brand. These lots usually get most of their vehicles from wholesale auctions. Those vehicles show up at auctions for a few reasons. One, they don't have room on their used car lot and feel they can turn current inventory more profitably. That might be faster. Demand elsewhere might mean more profit by wholesaleing it even though trucking expenses are involved. The cost or time of fixing it might not be worthwhile.
    And with mine I suspect the latter. My dealer made attempts at fixing all the many issues within the constraints of GM. They did make two items worse, but I have no way of knowing if it was the competence of the mechanic, dealer decisions, or GM procedures. But the bottom line was that the GM district rep said he did not see anything wrong. I clearly showed him two items that were undeniable. (by example, it was like showing him a puddle of water and saying that is water. The only way I could have been wrong was if it was maybe gasoline and I would like to have had him standing in it.)
    He was not stupid I'll presume so I must assume this was coming from above him and speaks of GM.
  • nferrnferr Posts: 32
    Picking up a new 2012 LaCrosse tomorrow. CXL V6 leather with sunroof and chrome wheels. Got the carbon black metallic with titanium interior. Wow are these LaCrosses quiet and smooth riding. Plenty of power too. Pretty excited.

    They're running great lease deals. Excluding tax I'm under $300 a month with absolutely nothing out of pocket. That includes the dealer fees and registration too. The car lists for $34,795 if I recall correctly.
  • Congratulations! You'll enjoy the ride and just about everything else about the LaCrosse. My 2011 CXS is a dream. And welcome to the forum. We'll look forward to your reports.
  • congratulations!! you will enjoy it. i love my 2010 cxs
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