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Anybody ideas? Please?
Why doesn't Edmunds have a appraisal value listed for conversion vans. It is very hard to come up with a selling price. Car dealers only want to give you the price for the cargo van with a few upgrades. I have a '98 Ford E150 Hi-Top conversion (American Liberty). How can I figure the best selling price or trade-in. Please help.
Thanks,
Gus Adams
The NADA guide does not have the '98 models listed. The 1999 Liberty had an msrp of 11,392. current whsle is 5,600. and retail is 7,560.
The '98 likely would whsle at 4,500. and retail at 6,500.
Add these values to the cargo van values at Edmund's for approx. market values.
Jerry
But thank the heavens for jboater! :-)
You can get the trade-in/retail for the chassis here on Edmunds.com, and then search http://www.nadaguides.com/ for a price on the conversion package.
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
KarenS
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mboyer,
also check your loan contract for cancelable add-ons. These would be credit life and or disability insurance, and any other such items. It may be possible to lower your payoff and reduce any shortfall you may have. Delivery of conversion vans for the 1st nine months of 2000 are down 28% from 1999 levels and you may find a soft market for your van. If so, a price compromise may be necessary in order to sell it.
Gus1943:
A PS,
Also check your local "auto trader" type magazines for comparables for sale.
Gus1943
van, and I've been looking around and the Savana
conversion by GMC is the one I liked the most.
I was looking through internet and I couldn't find
prices for used ones. I'm looking for 1997/98
hightop with no more than 25000 miles. I know it's
hard but...
Also I would like to know what is the best
conversion brand, and what are the pros and cons
for the GMC vs Ford, Chevy, etc.
Thank you
Please e-mailme @ edgardo_bianchi@yahoo.com
Thank you.
Please e-mailme @ edgardo_bianchi@yahoo.com
I may be able to help with pricing if you can provide me with the make and model of the conversion.
Jerry
PS. Like you, I have no kids at home and I don't travel or camp with my van. I'm still going to buy another van and it will be #5.
Once had a '95 Chevy/Tiara. Pro, very reliable over 42000 miles, averaged about 14mpg daily driving during warm weather (13 winter). Con, too much wind and road noise around doors, door hinges collect dirt quickly and adversely affect door opening/closing.
I much prefer the '97 Ford/Coachmen I've been driving for the past 3 years.
Ok, this is a GMC 2500, Explore Ltd. It's has a V8-350, 2TV/VCR,nintendo, leather seats, telephone (old cellular type), CB radio, CD player,a AM-FM-cassette player, moon-roof. Remote start, radar under the panel, 61000miles. The interior is in excelent conditions, no scratches, clean carpet, etc. Beside the price I would like to know pros/cons of this heavy van. I drove it and of course you can heard the wind but it's not that bad.
thank you so much!
In and around '95, conversions built on the 3/4 ton chassis were sorta the norm. Mine was too.
Also had the 350 V8.
Some here have said if it isn't Explorer, they won't buy it or, don't buy anthing but.......While I won't debate the merits of Explorer, I do think there are other converters worthy of our consideration.
Jerry
I'll give you what I believe is a good comparable in the "Discovery Limited" by Sherry Designs. Oddly enough, they have no pricing available after the '96 model year.
In any event, this puppie had an original msrp of 16,195. current whsle is 4,310. and retail is 5,690. As you can see, depreciation is pretty high.
You will need to add these values to the cargo van values found at Edmund's.
Jerry
Gladiator (Glaval Corp., Inc.) conversion done to
it. Anybody have information on how to add the
conversion to the price when you go to re-sell or
trade? Of course, dealers only want to give you
what is listed for the van itself and forget the
conversion even though they will up the price to a
consumer because it has "extra" features. Any
information ASAP would be appreciated at my e-mail
address of: TFred296@aol.com. Thanks, Tamra
can get it from any Ford certified manufacturer.
Send your request to conversionworld@netscape.net
THANX,
Chuck Taylor
ConversionWorld
Thanks!!!!!
Like you, I've got my eye on a couple of vans at a dealer and they too have been on their lot a long time. It looks as though most of 2000 model year customer rebates expired on the 16th of Jan. I'm presently waiting to see what they come up with next. The new programs should be announced pretty soon. My hope is to pay no more than invoice (get em out and show em to me) plus tax minus rebate.
A couple of other conversion companies worthy of consideration are Discovery by Sherry Designs and Sherrod Vans.
I've checked the NADA book for Explorer values and none are listed.
Jerry
Is there really such a thing as the tax time? I mean, all these dealerships are advertising that they have to move as much of their inventory as possible before March 1. Is that really true?
I set myself up back in September. This dealer knows I want THAT van....... Maybe I should have my eye on another van with a different conversion company to use as my ace. The dealership knows that I am not a meek woman and have done all of our car purchasing in the past. I do know quite a bit, but the conversion stuff really has me baffled. I have never had to go in blind before. Maybe they will show me the invoice... If not, I can always take a two hour drive up to the factory and see what I can work out with them. I have dealt with the rep for this area. He was very helpful, but I still get the feeling that there was more room to play financially.
Why can't someone get a hold of all the numbers for conversion companies and let us in on the invoice price? I understand that the companies do not have to share this with NADA, but wouldn't you think that insurance companies, at least, should know the "real" figures? I have never been so frustrated in all of my years of car buying. This better be worth it in the end, because I see myself not wanting to have to deal with salesmen/women again for a VERY long time!
I have been buying new cars on the average of every two years, this is really freaking me out! I can't even figure out what the wholesale price of the conversion is to get a true quote from my insurance company. I never buy until I know what my insurance price is going to be..... I feel like I am totally in the dark here and feeling very insecure about this purchase. I want the van, but I want to know exactly how much that dealer paid for it in the first place. Second, I feel that since it has been sitting on the lot for several months (Conversions move quickly here) the dealership should want to get it off of their lot..... UGH!
Should I just walk up to my salesman and ask him to see the dealer invoice on this particular van? Do most dealerships agree to take a loss if a vehicle has been sitting for an extremely long time? What I am getting at here is, if I can see the invoice, which if I can't I am going to walk, being last years model, sitting for a very long time, end of the month, right before their "tax time", do you suppose I could get it for even less? I know this is a reputable dealership that has been around for over 50 years. We have purchased from them in the past also.
Okay, I am starting to ramble here..... Sorry. Do you think there is hope????? I need to get them down at least another 2-3K.......
Deb
Thanks.
NADA does publish van/truck conversion and limousine guide.
It may not be accessible via the net.
I know of no other sources.
1998 Dodge B1500 W/Chariot conversion.
5.2L V-8, 19,532 miles. Following options:
Power Steering, Compact Disc Player, Driver Side Air Bag, Power Windows, Cruise Control, Power Brakes, Passenger Side Air Bag, Air Conditioning, Tilt Steering Wheel, Automatic Transmission, Anti-Lock Brakes, Cassette, Power Door Locks.
I'm looking to buy from a local dealer.
The $5500.00 for the 1989 Chevy seems a bit high for the van unless it was converted by a high end conversion company like Explorer or Starcraft and the van is in excellent condition.
Looking to buy from local dealer who took this on a trade. Any ideas what this may be worth??
Thanks - Arthur
Description: 3/4 ton GMC Vandura, 5.7 L, V8 engine. Transmission cooling lines for towing. Cruise, Power windows and locks, intermitten wipers, AC, AM/FM cassette, tilt wheel, etc. Explorer conversion package including: deep metalic blue paint with silver pin stripping, fiberglass running boards, ladder to luggage rack, spare tire with Explorer hardcover on rear door, deep blue/medium blue two-tone interior, wired for TV, 4 captains chairs that swivel, electric rear bench seat that folds to a queensize bed, interior wood is all maple, interior track lighting, overhead storage compartments, rear heat and AC, rear door table storage cabinet and tailgating bar, accordion blinds and curtains, vacuum, full width garment bar, built-in first-aid kit, pull-down tables, 2 stand tables, etc. Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Also, we are considering a GMC Safari van to replace our current van. It would be a downsize without compromising roomyness and cargo space. Has anyone got insider info on the 2002 due out soon? The dealer has told us only exterior changes are expected. Thanks! Rick
Until someone here pipes up, you can look up the True Market Value for the van itself and then try to guess on the extras. If you are looking for a place to advertise it, try looking at Edmunds.com's Used Vehicle PowerShopper at http://applications.edmunds.com/products/ups/.
Steve
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option? If so why didn't any of the 6 new vans I saw have it? A leftover 2001 Chevy with a top of the line Explorer conversion listed at $49,000 dropped to $38,000 before we even started to negotiate. Are there so few buyers?
I am looking at an Eclipse Conversion Van . . . hi-top, TV/VCP, leather, power sofabed, etc. Chassis is a Ford E-150 with the 5.4L Triton V-8. Dealer wants $33,700 + processing + taxes & tags.
First, how good is the quality of Eclipse? Second, is the asking price a good deal?
Thanks all.
I've been driving a my2000 E-150 "Lunar" Eclipse low top for the past year.
Previously drove a 97 E-150 Coachmen.
I've been quite satisfied with the Eclipse package. Early on, I had an issue or two and Debbie at the customer service desk at Eclipse was very helpful. Being a manufacturer though, I'm not too sure they are equipped to handle very many calls from end users.
The weakest link (no pun intended) has been Ford Motor Company and the selling dealer service department.
I found FoMoCo Customer Relations anything but. They are unresponsive and simply don't get things right.
The selling dealer service department, when I complained of "steering wander", responded with the infamous "no problem found". An improvement, but not totally corrected, came about from a post here at Edmunds. Check the tire pressure and keep them at maximum psi. In my case the max recommended psi is 41. They were at 37-38. Strange as it may seem, 3 psi will be noticable.
Pardon my rambling.
The number of conversion companies has declined dramatically. I think Eclipse makes a pretty good conversion that you likely will be satisfied with.
If your like me, this post may not be too late. However, if you bought the Eclipse, I think you'll be okay.
I actually wound up buying an Explorer Conversion with the Limited SE package. As of now, my family and I have only taken it for one long trip, and so far, we are very satisfied with it. I have seen many posts from people who are happy with their Explorers, and I just hope that we will be in for long-term satisfaction with our van.
Thanks again.
Francisco
Try asking in Real-World Trade-In Values what they think it's worth. I bet they say your dealer is high :-)
Steve, Host
Thanks.
Here's what I know:
ALL of the conversion van mfrs are privately held - no info/profit margins etc. is avail anywhere...
'They' have collectively (gee price fixing anyone?) refused to allow NADA (likely the cause of other's Kelly etc. not posting as well) to post new and or used conversion prices! How can they do that? Some sort of trademark infringment lawsuit threat?
The conversion mfrs (I've asked a bunch) refuse to talk to consumers and provide full package/spec sheets and AT LEAST list/msrp pricing for their own stuff. Even makes comparing two of their own conversions impossible.
Conversions are not tracked (VIN etc.) resulting in never being able to even search for a vehicle on many dealer websites - the VIN is 'incomplete chassis'
Bottom line - You are at the mercy of the dealer. Period. They are making a TON and some I've found are so arrogant they've even refused to discuss what they have - one even lied to me about models they had (they didn't) just to get me to drive in (100+ miles for nothing).
Seems this 'cottage-industry' is about as corrupt as the mattress folx who take the same item, put 10 model#'s on it so they can advertise - 'Find a lower price on an identical item...'
Who's running this scam?
Hey, Ralph Nader... I've got a crusade for you!
Steve, Host
I seems that the new hi-top conversion vans are not selling as quickly as they were a year ago. The vans have become quite pricey. The dealers are asking $50,000.00 plus for the Chevy and GMCs with the passenger doors on both sides. The dealers are asking more for these than they are asking for the new Hummer 2, Cadillac Escalades, and Navigators. The $2.00 + per gallon gas is not helping the situation.