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What about VW TDI engine?

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  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    I think diesel availability here has to do with the sulphur content in the fuel. Perhaps these other diesel engine options require the lower sulphur fuel that is not sold here.
  • focusmatt2focusmatt2 Posts: 106
    All I know is that the posted numbers for each engine are:

    2.0 I-4 goes 0-60 in 9.0 seconds
    1.9 turbodiesel I-4 goes 0-6 in 11.2 seconds
  • focusmatt2focusmatt2 Posts: 106
    If anyone read my banter a few lines up, I explained the sulfur content vs. engines. the TDI is an old engine that can run on molasses if you wanted... the new pumpe-duse engines require very refined diesel so that the spray can be high-pressure and even. That is why we won't be getting all these exciting new diesels. Future platforms and cars won't be carrying these old engines, so either we wait for our sulfur content to be refined (which is sad to be under works wthin 5-7 years) or deal with petrol.
  • natescapenatescape Posts: 176
    Here's hoping that when the US phases in ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel) by 2006, manufacturers will start bringing some of their sweet disels over to the US.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    What is posted on VW website is:
    10.1 0 to 60 mph for 2.0 5 spd
    11.9 0 to 60 mph for 1.9 TDI
    Above numbers are for Golf and New Beetle

    10.5 0 to 60 mph for 2.0 5 spd
    12.4 0 to 60 mph for TDI 5 spd for the Jetta

    What difference does 1.8 seconds make, 18 MPG.
    I do not know how important 0 to 60 MPH are to most people, I did not have a specific time in mind when I bought the Golf TDI. What was important to me was if it could accelerate quickly to pass on the highway or to merge on an onramp, this it does with power to spare.
    It stops quickly with 4 wheel disc brakes and ABS too.
    I have the automatic that is slightly slower than manual and I am amazed at how well it performs in the crazy traffic that I drive in.
    My opinion is that the TDI has plenty of power.
  • focusmatt2focusmatt2 Posts: 106
    Well, 0-60 does matter to me. I'm not saying it should matter to everyone, of course. The only TDI of the 1.9 variety i'd drive would be a VW Bora 1.9 PD 130 Sport, which is the 130hp version.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    The 1.8T with 5spd is rated at 8.2 seconds 0 to 60 mph and the TDI 5sd is rated 11.9 seconds 0 to 60 mph for a difference of 3.7 seconds. I asked myself if it was significant? Seems like quite a difference when I look at the numbers on a computer screen.
    Then I took out my stopwatch and timed 3.7 seconds. After I stopped laughing I had a better understanding of why I am satisfied with the performance of the TDI.
  • natescapenatescape Posts: 176
    The best thing anyone can do is drive both...
  • Just bought a 2002 NB GLS TDI this afternoon. Our dealer (Herzog-Meier in Beaverton, Oregon) has one remaining 5-speed TDI Beetle (White with the Luxury package), and at least twelve 2002 auto TDI Beetles in various colors (they also have a black 5-speed Jetta TDI). We drove the auto first...power was okay when driving smoothly, but the combination of the auto transmission and a bit of turbo lag made it hard to drive smoothly. I couldn't just punch the accelerator and get an instant response. Instead, the tranny would downshift and send the car foward with about a half-second delay. Not noticable when accelerating from 0-60, but rather nerve-wracking in traffic -- which is where an auto is supposed to be a pleasant luxury. We also noticed that when the car is stopped and in Drive, the whole car would vibrate with the engine. In Park, the vibration goes away.

    Next, we tried the TDI 5-speed. Felt quite different than the auto TDI. For one thing, we didn't notice any lag when stabbing the accelerator. For another, the engine felt smoother, especially at a stop with the clutch in -- no vibrating like the auto. Certainly not as fast as the 1.8T, but quick enough. Cheaper to feed and insure, too (and fewer stops for fuel).

    We paid $19,500 for a Black 2002: the only options were Cold Weather, Monsoon, and a CD changer. No Luxury package, so we have steel wheels and no moonroof. All 2002 VW cars benefit from a new 4 year/50k bumper-to-bumper warranty, so we didn't even look at a 2001.

    I wish we had liked the auto TDI better, since they had so many more color choices (Red, Marlin Blue, Silver, White). Still, the 5-speed seemed to us the best combination.
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    I thought the clutch had a rather long throw. Anyone feel the same way? Seemed to defeat being able to rack the seat all the way back for extra leg room.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    And thanks for sharing your impressions. We look foward to hearing more about your 2002 NB GLS TDI ownership experience. Happy Motoring!

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  • jabildajabilda Posts: 47
    VW, American manufactures and your government. Like many of you (diesel fans) on this post, I want the economy of a diesel engine, specifically the VW engine. (OK, great, go buy one). I want it in the Passat. In many communications with VW, the MARKETING department responds that the diesel engine in the North American market is not viable. My point is that the Passat diesel is produced, in Europe, so why is it America cannot have a few of them? We receive the other cars w/ a diesel engine (you get the gist / rant).


    You can email VW on their site through a contact link (the link is not intuitive - here's the link:


    http://www.vw.com/contact/contact_feedback.htm?


    I've spoken (live) with the VW 1-800 number and they want ALL feedaback through this link - they state someone will reply (and they do). Please take 5 mins. and write them. Someone posted an article from an automobile site concerning the VW sales increase (article state 7% of all sales and dealers said TDI could have been as high as 18% of total USA VW sales if there was inventory). What a great article.


    I also spoke to a dealership, who guessed that if it does come to the USA, it will most likely be the 2004 Passat. The article confirmed that date. As a selfish American, I want it now.


    My brother had a NB diesel and loved it (I almost got that one - girlfriend got it. Is blood thicker than water????). It ran great - some small asthetic problems (window dropped into the door - fixed under warranty). I want one (in a Passat - new father, need room).


    To prove they're under demand, look closely at the fine print on all VW 'special offer' commercials - TDI's are excluded. Go figure.


    Lastly, DaimlerChrysler produces a 2.5l diesel engine (Detroit Diesel brand) for the Jeep line sold (you guessed it) in Europe (UK, specifically). Try the UK Jeep website - it's there. I saw a Durango with a Detroit Diesel when they were in town for a meeting (Phila, pa) and it fit in the engine bay nice. Emailed Detroit Deisel and received the same answer - emission issues keeping the vehicle fom US and Europe has a high demand for diesel engines (to go with their higher grade fuel).


    I guess when it finally catches on in the US, some oil/gas fatcats will cash in and diesel prices will rise because the "refining process based on the low % of diesel cars in America has driven the price (notice I said price and not cost) of diesel fuel to $2.59 / gallon. Let's hope not!!!!


    Remember, send VW an email to get service in USA (go diesels)!

  • natescapenatescape Posts: 176
    That writing VW would do much good. They'd LOVE to bring over a pump-deuse TDI engine. They'd love to bring over Passat TDIs. Methinks they're waiting for the USLD standard to be enforced (and the fuel made much clearner) before they bring it over. In addition, they can barely keep up with European demand for diesel cars... why ship them here when they can sell 'em for more in a much more diesel-friendly environment.

    Many manufacturers do diesels for the European market. Heck, Mercedes is making a plant somewhere in the south (Alabama? Miss?) that'll be making a twin-turbo diesel M-Class, for export to Europe of course.

    IMO, if you want more diesels in the US (and I know many of us do), become a missionary. Tell everyone what a great car the diesel is and how well it runs and how great the MPG is (got 45 MPG in my 1996 TDI Passat sedan). Write your congress-people asking them to encourage diesel useage. Infiltrate the Sierra Club and other environmental groups that have the misguided opinion that diesel is dirty. I joined the Sierra Club this year, in part to do just that.
  • We bought a 2002 NB TDI a couple of weeks ago and just fueled up for the first time: 12.054 gallons for 492 miles, which is almost 41 mpg. Not bad for a brand-new engine! The torque-biased power band isn't great for 0-60 runs, but is quite convenient around town: plenty of power without a lot of shifting. I'm accustomed to Honda powertrains, so shifting at 2500-3000 rpm has taken some getting used to. Highway cruising is relaxed and much quiter than our 98 Civic or 00 Focus.
  • SO if I buy a 2002 TDI Jetta now and keep it for ten years will I have trouble finding high sulfur diesel fuel in 2006? I keep hearing talk about lowering the amount of sulfur in diesel fuel which would pave the way for more diesels however what happens to all the current diesels engines? Would I have to add sulfur everytime I filled up in 2006?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Low sulfur diesel fuel is already being used in European TDI and other diesel engines. Low sulfur diesel fuel will not require modifications to existing diesels. The current diesel engines will not require added sulfur but may require an additive to increase lubricity. One such brand is Power Service and what it does is add increased lubrication for the injection pump. Many people use this type of additive currently. Low sulfur diesel fuel will likely be refined to have a lubication quality equal or superior to existing diesel.
    It will not require expensive modifications to existing engines the way elimination of leaded gasoline did.
  • natescapenatescape Posts: 176
    Between today's diesel and future low-sulfur diesel, from your car's perspective, will be that it'll run cleaner and smoother. :)

    It's not like the old days of lead gasoline. The sulfur doesn't do anything to help the engine run... it's just a pollutant.

    I for one plan to ride my 1996 TDI Passat well past 2006. Latest tank MPG: 47.25. :) I have a long daily commute and have been experienting with MPH as it relates to MPG. It makes a big difference. When I went 85 MPH, I got 43 MPG. I slowed down to 82 and my MPG jumped to 45. Now I'm going 77ish and got 47.25 on my first tank.

    Gotta love it.
  • I currently have a remote starter on my car which is one of the best inventions for people living in New England. Is it possible to install a Starter on the manual TDI Jetta? I heard the car wont blow hot air until the car is driven even if it sits started for a period of time. Is this true? Any feed back on this? Thanks for answering the questions about the sulfur.

    Jim
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    The TDI does not really warm up until it is driven. It does not heat up the way a gasoline auto does at idle. As far as I know this is due to the diesel being more thermally efficient.
    I have the cold weather package ($150) which includes heated seats. Keeps me toasty until the motor heats up. I highly recommend the cold weather package if you get a GLS.
    I do not think it is a good idea to put a remote starter on diesel due to glow plugs in winter.
  • natescapenatescape Posts: 176
    Do NOT use a remote starter. As moparbad pointed out, the car won't really get warm until you drive it. This is primarily because the engine is so darned efficient that it doesn't generate excess heat while idling. In addition, when it's cold you'll need to let the glow plugs run for a few seconds before starting.
  • I drove a TDI manual Jetta GL yesterday. It was a lot quieter than I expected. The car had plenty of headroom and enough hip room. The only concern I had was the performance. I know this car is nothing like my Maxima, however I have driven many manual four cylinders. I really needed to wind out the tach to about 3.5 - 4 to get it accelerate. I know with diesels it has more torque at lower RPM's however this car kept pulling as the rpm's went up. I know there is a price to pay for such high MPG but I don't know if I am ready to make that sacrifice yet.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Much has been made about what the best shift point is for maximum economy. It is known that the engine "likes" running at around 2000 rpm, and the turbo starts kicking in at about 1500 and is going full tilt by 2000. Try shifting at about 2500 rpm during normal acceleration, then when cruising speed is reached, selecting a gear which puts the revs between 1500 and 2000.

    For absolute maximum acceleration with a stock engine, shift at about 4000 rpm, because power drops off quickly beyond this. There is little to be gained by shifting at 4000 compared to shifting at 3500.

    If there is not enough performance stock then there are chips available for the ECU which will add about 25HP.
  • natescapenatescape Posts: 176
    That shifting at 3000-3500 will give you good pickup and keep your MPG high. Funny thing is, I was in a minor accident yesterday and had to rent a Grand Prix. While it probably could beat my TDI Passat in a 0-60 race, it just felt sluggish. I had to thrash the engine to get any pull. With the TDI, it's just there, there quickly, and there in copious amounts. :)

    Of course, there's a VERY easy way to improve your speed AND MPG ... get an UPsolute chip. 30% increase in torque and HP, a much smoother power band, and slightly increased MPG!
  • I heard about these chips... sounds to good to be true. Is it hard to install? Will it void my warranty? God forbid, if there was any engine damage can I take it out and then bring it to the dealer and play dumb? I saw one that cost around six hundred but the HP & torque increased significantly.

    Jim
  • Usually you'll have to have them do the chipping. I did mine at a get together, where they chipped a bunch of cars at once (at a discount). Check out http://www.tdiclub.com and their message boards for get together and chip discussions.

    UPsolute seems to be the chip of choice. It's $325 standard, and gives you about a 30% increase in torque and HP and a small increase in MPG if you can keep yourself from gunning the car with all the newfound power.

    You can ask your dealer if a chip will void the warrantee. Seems to vary from dealer to dealer. If it DOES, you can always get a tuning box instead of a chip. They do roughly the same thing, but a TB is less elegant and won't be quite as smooth. It also can be removed in a few minutes, so you could take it off before you head to the dealership.

    Of course, a chip is hard to detect anyway. They'd have to go in and find it (or drive it and realize it's way too powerful).

    http://www.tdiclub.com will be able to answer all your questions.
  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    server can't find the tdiclub website. is it still active?

    Leo
  • bluewolfbluewolf Posts: 101
    The site is down until later today from what I've heard...
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    what the title says
  • suntansuntan Posts: 1
    i live in LA...and gas prices are rising..I am thinking of picking up a used TDI....any thoughts, suggestions or concerns?
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,653
    The TDI's are great engines. As for used you'll just have to look for a good deal. The resale values are high. I had a 2000 Jetta GLS TDI that had a list price of $21k and I sold it a year later with 35k miles for $17k. It was a great car, but my wife got a company car and we had 3 vehicles in the driveway. Since we have a boat I had to keep the tow vehicle and sell the VW.

    I've heard TDI's are not for sale in CA. Since I live in the midwest I don't know if that's true or not. If it is I'm sure the used ones really will command a premium.

    If you are purchasing from a private party, just try to verify maintenance was performed on a timely basis.

    Good luck
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