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Chrysler Allies With Fiat

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,285
    Huh. So the original MX-5 came out and made the Spider look like an overpriced, underengineered pig. Alfa leaves the country with its tail between its legs. Spider eventually becomes FWD (ugh!). Now they will make a Spider as a rebadged MX-5. My how things change.

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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,617
    "Fiat and Mazda said today they have agreed to form an alliance to codevelop a roadster, or two-seat sports car.."

    The memorandum of understanding calls for the development and production of a new roadster for the Mazda and Alfa Romeo models based on Mazda’s next-generation MX-5."


    That is great news for Alfa lovers, the world badly needs a rear wheel drive Alfa-Romeo Spider!

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    edited May 2012
    While the Miata/MX-5 has always been an outstanding car from the standpoint of value, all-around performance, and hitting the bullseye for its intended market, it's styling has arguably been just okay, but unexceptional. Styling is perhaps the key area where Alfa Romeo could add value to the Mazda-Alfa Spyder.

    Alfas, and the British sportscars the Miata tried to replicate, have that difficult-to-describe ingredient, soul, which excites enthusiasts when the cars are new, and adds sentimental and monetary value when they get old. Why else would there continue to be so much demand for MGs, Triumphs, Austin-Healeys, and old Jaguars and Alfas?

    Let's hope Alfa applies its magic to the next generation MX-5.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,451
    edited June 2012
    "The high-performance version of Fiat's diminutive subcompact has been selling as fast as, well, an Abarth. And while customers can still find a few in dealer inventories around the country, those who place orders now will be put on a waiting list for the 2013 model, which is expected to ship this fall."

    Chrysler stops taking wholesale orders for 2012 Fiat 500 Abarth (Detroit News)

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,451
    edited June 2012
    "On June 10, 2009, Chrysler Group LLC emerged from a government-sponsored bankruptcy wedded to Italian automaker Fiat SpA.

    Marchionne paid nothing for a 20 percent stake in a bankrupt Chrysler, but he has since parlayed that into a controlling interest in an automaker that has spent the past year grabbing market share from its foreign and domestic competitors by the fistful. He has also paid back the American taxpayer years ahead of schedule, returned Chrysler to profitability, reopened shuttered factories and again gave people a reason to believe in Detroit. Instead of dragging Fiat down, as many analysts feared, Chrysler is now propping up its Italian parent as Fiat struggles to weather the worst economic storm to hit Europe since World War II."

    Imported to Detroit: 3 years on, Marchionne proves doubters wrong (Detroit News)

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,451
    edited July 2012
    Know how people always think they have a "rare" car because only 486 of them were made in Fire Engine Red with a sunroof and a posi-trac rear end? Well, it may get a lot worse.

    "The just-released 2013 Dodge Dart will encounter something rare in the car market: a menu offering as many as 100,000 possible combinations of colors and optional features.

    Rivals including Ford Motor Co., Honda Motor Co. and Hyundai Motor Co. don't offer anything close to this level of à la carte customization. They are sticking with a model of offering a limited selection of options packages amid a desire to keep costs down and research suggesting many consumers find sifting through complex product decisions a tedious chore."

    Looking at how people buy music now (no more albums or whole CDs), this makes a lot of sense to me, so long as the wait time isn't too long.

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  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Very very smart of them. One thing turning me off of Hyundai is the fact that I can't get ANY options on the Elantra or Veloster without getting that solar heating system they call a "panoramic sunroof."
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,689
    edited July 2012
    Maybe a last gasp of the German influence, where MB and others for ages in the homeland and other places make everything optional, so you can get very base cars and very individual feature sets. Here for MB anyway, there are some packages, but many things can be chosen alone as well (jacks up the price). I know Porsche operates like this too.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,179

    Well Marchionne has laid out his future plans. Dodge will become more performance oriented while evidently Chrysler will expand and move down a bit to compete with Chevy, Ford, Toyota and other mainline vehicles. It appears pundits are panning this latter aspect saying Chrysler already has an upmarket image that they will be throwing away. However, I'm not really sure about that. Granted, the 300 is probably a Lincoln equivalent at a lower price (if you consider Lincoln near lux), but other products like the minivan or 200 surely are not. I'm thinking that the foreign nameplates really own the near lux and lux segment in the US today. Cadillac is certainly no longer dominant, but is trying. Lincoln is kind of like this segment's Chicago Cubs. Fiat's upper level products like Maserati and Alpha will enter the near lux/lux segment for the company. So this may be wise, particularly combining that with greater emphasis on Dodge and performance. Maybe they can even bring back Mr. Norm's Grand Spaulding Dodge from the heydays of muscle! So what's the consensus out there?

  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,451
    edited May 7

    @bpizzuti said: One thing turning me off of Hyundai is the fact that I can't get ANY options on the Elantra or Veloster without getting that solar heating system they call a "panoramic sunroof."

    My wife wants one of those and we're planning a move to sun country soon. I had the same concern as you. She claims that some study showed that the glass roof reflected more sunlight than metal and thus cars with them stay cooler.

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