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VW New Beetle (GL, GLS & GLX)

mznmzn Posts: 727
Friends, I had to freeze our earlier discussion
because after 500 posts or so, things can get
unstable. So, let's continue our conversation here.

There is always something good to say about this
lovely car!

carlady/host
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  • scarls13scarls13 Posts: 11
    Since the last thread was frozen, I'll repost here ...just in case!

    Hello, everyone...I'm new to this site, and I'd
    appreciate a bit of advice!

    I just graduated from college and I'm looking at
    getting either a 99 GLS 2.0 Beetle, a 99 GLS 2.0
    Jetta, or a 99 Dodge Stratus. I have my heart set
    on a Beetle, but I doubt I can afford it unless I
    can get it under MSRP. I've been to one dealer
    here in Grand Rapids, Michigan (there are two VW dealers in town), and they seemed very helpful and nice, but I haven't yet asked about price on the Beetles. I'm wondering - is there anyone here
    within a few hours drive of Grand Rapids that knows of a dealer that would sell for less than MSRP? And should I wait till July or August since the 2000's are coming? And finally, would you expect that my chances for a deal on a Jetta would be better since the Beetles are the hot sellers right now?

    Thanks in advance!
    Steve
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    Thank you Steve. It is hard to find the right place to close out a discussion. I did put a note in the frozen discussion directing folks to answer your question here.

    Have you tried Auto-by-tel? It can't hurt and it might help!

    carlady/host
  • scarls13scarls13 Posts: 11
    Ahhhh, nevermind. I went to a dealer today, and they have a four month waiting list for Beetles. I think I might get a Jetta instead! I got a pretty decent deal ($800 under invoice for a GLS 2.0 with AT) and the guy I worked with was awesome. Very nice, didn't play any games...

    Thanks anyways!

    Steve
  • scarls13scarls13 Posts: 11
    Oops, I mean $800 under MSRP, not invoice...;-)

    Steve
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    Jettas are nice cars, I did just the opposite, went in to look at a 99 Jetta and bought a Beetle instead. My dealer has more Jettas in stock than any other VW model, even a few TDI's. Still happy with the 99 GLS New Beetle.
  • suldes2suldes2 Posts: 2
    Waited on lists for 9 months for a cybergreen turbo and jumped the gun when I came across a Dark Blue w/cream turbo sitting on a dealer's lot. Drove it and bought it. Impressions: First, I'm 6/7" (had 4 bugs in past life) and even though I have a sunroof, I have a ton of room in all directions. The seats are plenty comfortable (215lbs) and with the telescoping/rotating wheel, anyone should find a comfort level. Even the ratchet for seat height works real well. Second, the turbo is quiet and powerful. So much pull through the gears--even with the AC on and in 5th gear at 70mph. Third, all around mileage is 29-30. Fourth, sunroof is excellent. Fifth, fit and finish was superb. No squeaks, rattles or mystery noises. Sixth, trunk is lame, but, it's a bug! Beats putting it under the hood --like the old days.
    One problem: how dumb is having a spoiler that deploys at 93mph? Even dumber is the placement of the hidden button for manual deployment. For such a well thought out car, this is just... dumb.
    Last positive note: I just love getting in this car and driving. I loved the old ones, and that feeling has been successfully translated back into this wonderful (not so) little bug.

    PS: MSRP and great dealer at NEMER VW in Albany NY
  • mintcar25mintcar25 Posts: 1
    Thanks for letting me know about the Turbo Bug. I want a cyber green one too and I love that spoiler!? ARe you kidding me that it deploys at 93mphs and you have to hunt around to manually deploy it!? I'm laughing my head off. Thanks for warning me about that. I'll skip the Turbo and get back to basics for my new bug.

    -- BeetleBabe --
  • coherencecoherence Posts: 6
    Spoilers do absolutely nothing for the performance of a car until you reach speeds of over 90 mph.

    What makes it truly hypocritical, is that most cars have tires that are only rated up to 88 mph, beyond which they are exponentially more likely to blow out.

    Both speeds (tire rating and spoiler effectiveness) are over the legal speed limit as well.

    In the end, spoilers are worth nothing more than appearance. If you have a "Turbonium," you may as well deploy it manually and leave it that way.
  • toddhtoddh Posts: 1
    Interesting comments on the New Beetle. I'm shopping the vehicle, and am still a little "green" on it, though I've been tracking popularity and MSRP loosely since '98. Any info anyone can offer on whether they think the turbo is worth the extra $$ over the other gas models is appreciated. I'm also interested in the ACTUAL price people have paid for their Beetles, if I may be so bold as to ask. I'm in a quandry between going for a new one, or saving a few bucks and looking for a 98. Any insight is welcomed. Thanks in advance to all replies.
  • suldes2suldes2 Posts: 2
    Read BeetleBabe's comments and was sad to hear that the spoiler deal would "spoil" you thoughts about the turbo. The spoiler was a half-baked idea at best, or meant for those who cruise the autobahn, but it is neat anyway. And don't just settle for the gas model. If you want to really zip and never want for power, go for the turbo. I've compared the two and the difference is enormous. And when all is said and done, pull up alongside a gas Veedub and contort your wrist and pop that spoiler button-- and smile!
  • copelandukcopelanduk Posts: 14
    doesn't the spoiler reset (lower) if you go below 10mph, I don't know where I heard this but I would like to hear from some direct experience. If so does this mean you have to be over 10mph while you are reaching for that button?
  • I have two teenagers, one driving and one wanna drive, and currently have a 96 Dodge Caravan which I love. Unfortunately, I also have beetle mania and want a bug. I was thinking of talking my son into driving the van for two years and getting myself a NB. Will the 2000 models provide us wannabugs with some leveraging regarding price and dealers without heart? I can wait, but not long.

    Thanks
  • karnesjmkarnesjm Posts: 15
    Seeking red, silver, or white GLS 5 spd 1.8T. We are located in a "low volume" VW area and the dealers nearby just don't get many NBs. Will consider flying if right car and at MSRP. Simply won't pay over MSRP and willing to wait.
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    sredmon149, if you can talk a teenager into driving a van for 2 years while you drive a New Beetle, you have my deepest admiration! :-)

    carlady/host
  • mlleb70mlleb70 Posts: 1
    I am currently in the throes of decision-making regarding the purchase (or lease) of my next vehicle. One model I am seriously considering is the '99 New Beetle GLS (silver). I test drove it and thought it handled well. Of course, I was charmed by its styling -- there's no other late-model car on the road today that even comes close to the personality offered by the NB.

    I am concerned, however, that this car may turn out to be all style and no substance.

    Is this an unwarranted fear? I'd love to hear from any NB owners out there and what, if any, problems they've had with their NBs. Save me from buying a Civic!!!
  • laturjlaturj Posts: 45
    hi,
    besides the often mentioned trunk rattle (for the 98's) we have had no problem with our NB through 8500 miles. VW really is a better car than a decade ago, I don't think the same issues about quality apply. If you are really concerned consider the extended warranty, you already have 2 year complete and 10 year powertrain.

    by the way, whay is the facination with everyone wanting to pay less then msrp?? It is soo relative and in many ways msrp is arbitrary, it's all part of the game, I know. Just decide if you like the car at that money, compare it with other cars at 3% over invoice (for the other cars) and decide. Don't let the feeling that you HAVE to get less than msrp, because that is the norm, prevent you from buying what you want.
  • laturjlaturj Posts: 45
    I should have added DONT pay over msrp, that is part of the game that i believe in not acceptable.

    ahhh, but what do I know (i did get ours at msrp, here in austin texas)
  • karnesjmkarnesjm Posts: 15
    We drove and loved the New Beetle (NB).
    The Honda has a good reliability record, but has zero personality. The #1 reason we are pusuing a NB is resisdual value. NO car matches the NB for resale value. Used '98 NBs are selling for more than the original MSRP.
  • Hi, I've read all 500+posts and need to know from the current TDI owners/drivers if they are all driving a stick-??
  • coherencecoherence Posts: 6
    karynsells,

    I read a few conflicting reports, but it seems the New Beetle TDI is strictly manual. No automatic transmission available.

    That's very disappointing to me, considering how much automatic helps resale value. Of course, we are also talking about a diesel, and that can hurt the resale value, as well. Unfortunately, there is a certain stigma attached to diesel cars, that they are noisy, polluting, gas-guzzlers. This is not the case with modern diesel engines (except the noisy part, perhaps), but many people remain ignorant.

    I had been considering a TDI when gas prices skyrocketed here on the west coast, but changed my mind when I found out that automatic transmission was unavailable.

    If anyone from VW reads this: BIG MISTAKE!! ;-)
  • Hmm. in the auto magazines I've read they are reporting that a auto trans is available and if you want one on any Beetle the TDI is way to go
    because of its superior low end torque. They are in extrmely short supply, availble in CA but I am just wondering if anyone has one. I am in Seattle and drove a stick for 20+ years now just want to be a bit more lazy as I know in the congestion I would be shifting every 5 minutes and yes, gas is very high price.
  • boscobosco Posts: 1
    Wow, we are getting a lot of conflicting information on this AUTO/TDI Beetle...I too have read an Auto is due out in July, Edmund's even lists the new car prices for one. Yet the local dealers, and there are plenty here where I live in Northern Virginia, 5 miles outside of Wash.D.C., are in a FOG about availability or they are holding back on it. If anyone wants a Beetle these Dealers have plenty in stock here. Most sell at MSRP. One even had $800 off on TDI diesels last week but they had no sunroofs. I hope someone can clear this Auto/TDI problem up, I too have been holding back for one. I am about to go for a 5 speed, I bet it's actually more fun to drive. Comments?
  • veecapveecap Posts: 1
    I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the year 2000 Bug because I plan on buying one. I want the 150 horse power turbo charged and was wondering what owners felt about their 1999's with that engine? Also wondering if dealers "deal" much because it appears their isn't much markup. Thanks.
  • mgrmgr Posts: 40
    I have seen invoice, and there is very litle mark-up. Yes, the spoiler does re-set at 10mph. So, when you hear your door locks activate, you can manually raise your spoiler.

    Mine is a 99 non-turbo gas. 3700 miles with no problems, until this week-end. Airbag light came on. Also, punctured a tire(took about 15 minutes to change). I have Michelin tires and a Goodyear warranty(go figure). And someone backed out of a parking space and grazed my paint job :((
  • dae3dae3 Posts: 55
    I know they exist because I saw one sitting on a dealers lot here in town. It was there for about a day before it was bought.

    From what I have read the TDI VW's actually have a higher residual value than the gas.
  • coherencecoherence Posts: 6
    Nice to know they have finally released them! This is what VW wrote me back in April:

    "Thank you for contacting the Volkswagen
    Web site. We appreciate your interest in
    the TDI engine and your comments have been
    noted.

    At this time, the TDI engine is not
    available with an optional automatic
    transmission.

    We are tentatively planning to see this
    option arrive within the 1999 model
    year, although no production, or arrival
    dates have been released."

    Now that it is being released, I probably still won't get it. Why? It only has 90 hp. That's not enough when I have to drive over the mountains from Vegas to California. My Tercel struggles (actually seeing the speed drop, despite having the pedal to the floor), and it has just as many (or as few) horses. I'm looking at a GLX now. :-)
  • dae3dae3 Posts: 55
    Check out Hatchback topic 146 about the TDI engine. It will make you feel better about the hill climbing ability of the TDI engine. This car is a great hill climber because of the great torque. Better than the gas engine. Horsepower isn't everything.
  • laturjlaturj Posts: 45
    I feel for you, my rear wheel well got rubbed, it sort of sticks out, etc. I bought some touch up paint and that helped (from VW). Interestingly just the paint rubbed off, none of the rubber (or whatever the compound is) so not a big deal. So maybe try some touch up paint.
  • gatordishgatordish Posts: 1
    I am looking to lease a VW Beetle and am wondering if there is a certain time of the year that is more optimal. Please e-mail me at Gatordish@aol.com if you know. Thank you!
    Kristen
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    To all of you fence sitting Beetle mania types I say go for it. I had similar concerns when I bought my 99 gas GLS 5 speed in January. I've had no problems with mine other than a broken floor mat clip in 7k miles. After the newness wears off you will still enjoy it. It is very well designed with a lot nice thoughtful features. I like the dash layout and the well placed controls, all the cubbies and storage, the night lighting is still awesome, the room, the cool switch blade key fob,it's fantastic safety rating, the folding rear seat that turns it into a station wagon and it's best feature is it's always glad to see you, what other car has a smile like the front of a New Beetle? Honda Civic?---YAAAAWWWWWNNNNN ZZZZZZZZ
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