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Will Green Cars Be Exciting To Drive And Enjoyable To Own?

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 43,832
    “Cars today almost without exception are a technology product which drives environmental awareness and fuel efficiency. It’s not just luxury. Manufacturers are making progress even with better ways of making the internal combustion engine work better and making steady progress with hybrids and plug-ins. What car you buy can make an indirect statement that you are aware of the environment,” Kaas said."

    Young still excited by autos that reflect Green concerns, connectivity (Detroit News)

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 35,162
    " What car you buy can make an indirect statement that you are aware of the environment"

    My pre-emissions fintail and V8 daily driver show how I love the greenies :shades:
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    NYT wrote a damning review, but Musk punched back nicely:

    http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/14/tesla-takes-new-york-times-to-task-for-damnin- g-model-s-re/

    Looks like the NYT write was lying through his teeth! That's waaaay too much contradictory data to be made up.
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 35,162
    A journalist creating news? Nah, this can't be true!
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think it's funny he got caught. Especially since he lied so much.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited February 2013
    And now the NYT is back-tracking...if only a little:

    http://green.autoblog.com/2013/02/19/new-york-times-admits-tesla-model-s-writer-- - - didnt-use-go/

    I predict these black boxes will change the way reviews are written in the future. Better take good notes!

    NYTimes has never exactly been the best at auto reporting. Many of the people who work there don't even drive at all!
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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 43,832
    edited February 2013
    And "broderize" has now entered the lexicon.

    From what I read, Broder isn't an auto writer either, but covers the oil industry among other stuff.

    But I'm not going to call it a hack job until after market closes in another minute and Tesla releases sales results for Q4. They targeted 2,500 to 3k. Or was it 3k sold for the year? Lost that link already.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's the problem whenever you approach any writing assignment with an agenda. The NYT would fire him if they had any guts at all.
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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 43,832
    edited February 2013
    Agreed, and the "investigation" they did was a bit lame as well.

    Looks like Tesla didn't quite meet expectations, only selling 2400.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,583
    The NYT would fire him if they had any guts at all.

    The entire NYT has a liberal agenda. Not much there you can take face value. Reader beware with ALL MEDIA. :)
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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,583
    Are they still made elsewhere with OUR TAX dollars?
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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 43,832
    The entire NYT has a liberal agenda.

    That's just it - the Greens are saying that Broder is an oil company shill trying to slam EVs to protect the gasoline sellers.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,583
    The liberal agenda is hardly anti Oil. Look how many billions Soros has made from oil. Broder should be against Tesla for the $millions they have extorted from tax payers with no real chance of success. They are a green plaything for the rich and famous. Will never be mainstream. Look how poorly the cheap EVs are doing with huge tax incentives.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited February 2013
    Look how poorly the cheap EVs are doing with huge tax incentives

    With folks like Broder telling bogus stories, that's not going to change. Most of the public won't catch the part where the NYT apologized.

    Plus Fox News has had it out for the Volt since day one, to them it's the bail out poster child.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,583
    Plus Fox News has had it out for the Volt since day one, to them it's the bail out poster child.

    That is the truth. The Volt has cost US billions and with little chance of it EVER becoming mainstream at a competitive price. We cannot continue to subsidize every crazy scheme that comes along and stay strong. Good ideas have to make it on merit not government subsidies.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hybrids and diesels got incentives early on, and both of those are now mainstream. The incentives worked.

    It will take longer for EVs, but I wouldn't dismiss them quite yet.
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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,583
    The incentives on the hybrids and diesels were no where close to the $7500 on the Volt, Leaf etc.
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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 43,832
    edited February 2013
    261-MPG Volkswagen XL1 To Debut at 2013 Geneva Auto Show

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    Yes, it's slated for production.

    No, we won't get it.

    1,953 pounds, 32 mile range in all electric mode. Two cylinder TDI engine.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    True, but you could get $750 on a TDI that was around $20k, more on some hybrids.

    They sell now even after the incentives are gone.

    Leaf prices dropped, they'll keep going in that direction. Right now a Leaf is cheaper than an Altima.

    I can imagine in 5-10 years an EV being price competitive (in certain classes) without incentives.
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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 43,832
    "Elon Musk is either a genius visionary or a complete fool. And we just paid him $110,000 to find out which.

    But this time it's different. There are no time limits. And no scary big brother black boxes watching over us. It's our car. We paid for it. We picked it up at the Fremont factory with 50 Tesla-test-track miles on the odometer. And our plan is simple. We're going to drive the hell out of it for a year. We're going to drive it as much as possible. Where we want. When we want. And Mr. Musk can only sit back and read about it like everybody else."

    2013 Tesla Model S Long-Term Road Test

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Good idea by Edmunds, kudos.
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 35,162
    People are going to want daily updates on that!
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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 43,832
    edited February 2013
    Maybe we should suggest that the home office go out and buy a flat bed for a long term tester too. :D

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Flex fuel in so many ways - powered by solar, coal, nukes, and gas or diesel tow trucks!
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 35,162
    I suspect any auto club/towing package will automatically blacklist them :shades:
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited February 2013
    EVs need to work like my cordless drill - quick change battery packs. Some already exist in other markets.

    Imagine pulling up and exchanging the battery instantly instead of waiting to charge. Might even be quicker than pouring 20 gallons of gas.

    A B segment car could have one battery pack, a bigger van or truck could have 2 of the same battery packs, all interchangeable.
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  • fintailfintail Posts: 35,162
    Stop making sense :shades:

    That's a key problem to these cars now - want to take a 400 mile trip without a huge detour in the middle? Tough luck.
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  • wilcoxwilcox Posts: 581
    edited February 2013
    Agree.

    Yet...after taking into account the up coming inflation for 10 years, we'll see higher prices on EV's even though cost of production should decrease for a number of reasons.

    We just completed a 2000+ mi. road trip and our '10 Fusion Hybrid only averaged a big 38.3 MPG . (Texas speed limits are like 75 MPH :cry: ) . It does much better in city driving.
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