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Will Green Cars Be Exciting To Drive And Enjoyable To Own?

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They're not exactly spinning it in favor of Elon, check out this story:

    SpaceX, based in Hawthorne, Calif., and Orbital Sciences, based in Dulles, Va., are under NASA contract, worth up to $3.5 billion, to lift 40 tons of cargo to the International Space Station over 20 flights.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60259.html#ixzz2M8M2UgZY
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    What's not to my liking is any writing with an agenda.

    The story on the Tesla set out, from the get go, to discredit EVs. There was no intent to gather any facts, just to see exactly how much lying Broder/NYT could get away with.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    The story on the Tesla set out, from the get go, to discredit EVs. There was no intent to gather any facts, just to see exactly how much lying Broder/NYT could get away with.

    Welcome to the 21st Century. The very reason I quit watching TV in 2006. It is mostly lies and half truths. A person has to look at every source and try to squeeze out the truth. Many times it is totally lost in the process. I could spend days trying to find out the real truth about Musk and the $17,000,000 in cash to buy that house. Sure he is worth a supposed $2.4 billion. Is that on paper minus the $100,000,000 he was whining about?

    I don't get worked up about a few million in research grants to universities. When you hand half a billion to a Solyndra and a few months later they file for bankruptcy. And leave a HUGE environmental mess for the tax payers to clean up. Or bail out Tesla to the tune of half a billion. I get ticked off.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Solyndra has been the poster boy but Telsa does appear to be paying the loans back early, so I wouldn't group them together.

    Fisker is a mess. If anyone wants to criticize EVs, and wants to be accurate, bust on them all you want.

    I respect Elon Musk - he took no crap, called them out. Good for him.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    GM targets 20% increase in plug-in hybrid output this year


    Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20130227/OEM05/302279869#ixzz2M8hojBb5
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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    If Tesla makes enough money to pay off our loan the stock will bounce back. Right now it is losing $3.70 per share. Hardly a company I would buy with or without the bad press from NYT. The stock is only down about 10% from its all time peak. Think about Apple, it is down 30% on negative comments in the media. And they have $137 BILLION in cash. Musk just needs to sell cars and quit whining about the media. Only 6% of US citizens believe the media anyway.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/februar- y_2013/only_6_rate_news_media_as_very_trustworthy
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Maybe they're smarter than we give them credit for. ;)
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    edited March 2013
    I respect Elon Musk - he took no crap, called them out. Good for him.

    I think the man has done a great job and I like that he works so hard to promote his company. He cares about making a great car, I would love a Tesla S sedan, that is an awesome all-electric car. It looks sharp, looks to have plenty of room inside, and it is all-electric. Sure, it's $49,000.

    I sincerely hope that Tesla Motors succeeds. ;)

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    Tesla S sedan

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    Sure, it's $49,000.

    That was what they projected it to sell for. The 2012 shows a base price of $59k. I don't know how many they sold at that price. Now the "S" has a base price of $97k. It is a rich man's toy subsidized by US tax payers. I doubt we ever see a Tesla for under $50k.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    Just don't touch any metal parts while doing this.

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  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,039
    I think that's how Zap cars got their name.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    Don't mention ZAAP. I lost money on that EV stock. Interesting story on another EV scam CODA. Not much longer for this world.

    “On Nov. 10, 2011, Gov. Jerry Brown came to Los Angeles to help open the new headquarters of CODA Automotive. The company was rolling out its CODA Sedan, which boasted new battery technology that would deliver unprecedented range for an all-electric car. The company claimed it would bring 650 high-tech jobs to L.A.

    “‘To the naysayers, we’re saying yes to solar, yes to CODA,’ Brown said. ‘We’re saying yes to a Los Angeles that’s on the move.’

    “But though Brown and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa did most of the talking at the day’s ceremony, it was City Council president Eric Garcetti who deserved most of the credit. Garcetti played the key role in enticing CODA to move its headquarters from Santa Monica by dangling $1 million in city redevelopment money — even as he received $8,000 in contributions from CODA executives and their spouses.

    “And yet, a little more than a year later, CODA is in trouble. The company never got close to its goal of 650 employees, topping out at about 270 before it began laying off workers in December. A showroom at the Westfield Century City mall has closed. It appears the company has sold fewer than 100 cars.


    http://www.calwatchdog.com/2013/03/01/green-jobs-lies-the-los-angeles-edition/?u- tm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Cora's car was competitive with the 1986 Honda Civic.

    That was a bad gamble from the start.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    That was a bad gamble from the start.

    And the $100,000 Tesla family EV sedan is a good gamble?? Not anyway I can think of. Except for the con artist that sold it to the Feds.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They expect to be profitable next quarter, so lets see.

    A loaded 3 series overlaps with the Model S in price.

    Did you see in the other thread that an Escalade can hit $87k? :surprise:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    No way to compare them. The EV is not practical for anyone but a short haul commuter, and a rich one at that. And how would you get a BMW 3 up to $100k? Even the hybrid would not be that expensive with every option.

    And how does a sedan compete with an Escalade? The Escalade I drove in 2007 was over $70k. A real apples to lemons comparison.

    When Musk makes a profit selling cars for $100k that cost $140k I will believe in his genius.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I said they overlap. You can get a 3 series with a 4 banger up to $50k. The big sedans go way higher.

    A Valet would park the Tesla out front but never the 3 series.

    We have to remember the target demographic owns 4-5 vehicles, so this would not be their trip car.

    A toy for the rich but at least they make them here and power them with domestic energy sources as well.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    A toy for the rich but at least they make them here and power them with domestic energy sources as well.

    How much is made here? My guess is less than 50% of the Tesla is USA made. The GM Volt is only 45% USA made. We don't have the natural resources to build EV or Hybrids. CA has an electric shortage so I hope none sell here to suck down our energy supply.

    They are Corporate Welfare to the MAX. One of many reasons the Rich in this country keep getting richer. People that pay enough taxes to get the tax credit don't need the subsidy. Maybe a few that would buy the Leaf. The Tesla is a government payoff for favors rendered pure and simple. When out tax dollars are spent they will be gone like all the rest of the con men.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I've heard GM fans say they will eventually shift more parts production to the US.

    Not sure about the Tesla's domestic content.
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