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Will Green Cars Be Exciting To Drive And Enjoyable To Own?



  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    It really only should be compared with current model year luxobarges, not old ones or Ferraris or Camrys. Many seem unwilling to do so regarding the fires.

    I've thought about these events and if they could have an insurance impact, too. Maybe the gubbamint will issue an insurance subsidy so people buying a 90K toy can get another gift?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    The vehicle is able to accelerate from 0 to 62 mph in 2.8 seconds and offers an average standard fuel consumption of between 94 mpg and 85 mpg. The 918 Spyder also allows a combustion engine to be combined with an electric motor-based drive to generate new functions that further optimise the dynamic performance.

    Quiet and elegant: ‘E-Power’

    When the vehicle is started up, ‘E-Power’ mode is selected as the default operating mode, provided that the battery is sufficiently charged. Depending on load, the 918 Spyder can cover between 10 and 20 miles purely on electric power. Even in pure electric mode, the 918 Spyder accelerates from 0 – 62 mph in under seven seconds and can reach speeds of up to 93 mph. In this mode, the combustion engine is used only when needed. If the battery charging condition drops below a set minimum level, the vehicle automatically switches to hybrid mode.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    But alas, the price of it all....


  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I think the 918 is one of those vehicles if you have to ask the price you can't afford it. Leno should be able to swing one. My guess is under $300k.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    I'm thinkin' $400K and up.


  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    edited November 2013
    YIKES, I guess that means the Jetta Hybrid at the Post office is probably not running the same hybrid system ;-)

    Leno can afford it.

    I would buy the 918 over a Veyron. Better looking.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,167
    edited November 2013
    I agree with you about the Prius. Regarding BMW, however, I question whether it still deserves to call itself "The Ultimate Driving Machine" because, from what I've read, most of its cars have gone soft. Steering was one area where BMW set the standard, but some testers have complained that the steering on the newer models feels numb, or at least not nearly as communicative and satisfying as older models. You don't read that about Mazda or Ford Fiesta, Focus or Fusion, for example. I realize I may be comparing apples and oranges, since the Mazdas and Fords I cited are FWD.

    Some testers have rated the Cadillac ATS above the 3-Series, and the new CTS above the 5-Series, in terms of driving experience.

    Maybe the 2015 Mustang will surpass the BMW 3 and 4-Series in driving dynamics. With the next 1-Series going to FWD we'll see how it compares with the mass market Mazdas and Fords.

    Business wise, BMW is doing great, repeatedly setting new sales records, which is at odds with their trending toward average, in terms of product. Maybe most luxury vehicle buyers assign more importance to the brand's prestige value than to the driving experience. Or, maybe long-standing perceptions are lagging behind reality.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    I read one wag from an automobile blog complaining that "BMW has changed the sex of their cars".

    Kinda funny, kinda true.


  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,167
    edited November 2013
    Becoming more ordinary, less positively differentiated, is usually a recipe for diminishing the brand and losing market share, but the opposite is happening with BMW. It'll be interesting to see whether it's a case of perception lagging reality, or whether the BMW marketing folks and strategists know something that the car guys are missing. Maybe getting into more and more segments is the primary reason for BMW's increasing success in the marketplace, and that the mag wags overrate attributes that are unessential to most BMW customers.

    Maybe BMW has become "The Ultimate Marketing Machine." Hmm, wasn't that what GM was from Alfred Sloan's time through the 1970s?
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,010
    That's a perk with an EV and your own outlet.

    "A decade ago, 33 gas stations were listed as in business in Manhattan south of 96th Street, according to city records. Today, 11 remain, with two of those scheduled to close next year and one on the market.

    Drivers say the reduced competition has led to occasional long lines to fill up." (There's about 220,000 cars registered in Manhattan).

    Filling Up Is Hard to Do (WSJ)

    But that's just another benefit that people miss - "While much has been written about the existing federal consumer tax credits of as much as $7,500, subsidized installation of recharging stations, and numerous state and local financial incentives, along with favored access to high-occupancy vehicle lanes and city parking, consumers are in the dark."

    Consumers Blind to Electric Vehicles' Cost Savings, Study Reveals

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Why would anyone keep a car in Manhattan? Parking fees can be as much as many people pay rent. My only friend from Manhattan leaves his car two hours away in CT at a friends home. Takes the train when he wants to use it. EV still will cost a fortune to park. Let alone plug in.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    Just what rich Manhattanites need - subsidies for toys.

    I don't disagree with subsidizing EVs to an extent, but IMO their should be an MSRP and/or income limit.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    What percentage of the US population pay $7500 or more in Federal Income tax? You cannot spread it out over several years. My guess is less than 20% could take full advantage of the tax credit. Purely pork for the wealthy.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    In the best EV, the Tesla, every 10 miles you drive takes you one minute of waiting to "fill"; over time, as the batteries degrade, that'll become 2 minutes for every 10 miles you drive.


  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Lead foot uses 165 miles of electricity to go 100 miles on I-35

    A couple of weeks ago, I strapped into the seat of a $100,000 green roller coaster streaking for the future. It was not a bad way to spend a workday.

    Actually, videographer Brian Elledge and I had climbed into a Tesla Model S, a low, long, slinky electric sedan striving to forever change the perception of alternative-fuel cars.

    We wanted to test the high-tech Tesla’s range claims, always a concern with electric cars, and see whether the company’s new supercharger stations worked as advertised.

    Tesla says it can get more range from its array of lithium-ion batteries beneath the floor of the S than any other electric vehicle — an impressive 265 miles with the optional battery pack.

    Moreover, in a costly effort to expand the ways in which electric cars can be used, Tesla is building a network of supercharging stations throughout the U.S. to allow its electric cars to make long road trips.

    Three of the $150,000 stations are already in place in Texas — in Waco, San Marcos and Columbus.

    Tesla owners can get a full, free recharge in an hour at one of the stations or 150 miles of additional range in about 30 minutes. The stations are open 24 hours but only to Tesla owners.

    We pulled out of downtown Dallas with 231 miles of range showing on the high-tech instrument panel, bound for the nearest supercharger station at the Collin Street Bakery in Waco, 100 or so miles away.

    My heavy foot cut deeply into our reserve of power, as did the time we spent shooting video: drive-bys in which Brian stood along a road and shot video of the car and me flying by.

    We also lost 10 miles of range stuck in a maddening two-hour traffic jam south of Waxahachie, apparently caused by some Texas Department of Transportation project. Thanks, TxDOT.

    By the time we got to Waco, we had 66 miles of range on the meter, having burned through 165 miles of electricity to go roughly 100 miles.

    Ready for a recharge

    We pulled into the Collin Street Bakery parking lot on the east side of I-35, where eight Tesla supercharging stations awaited us on the north side of the lot.

    Once I got the electric lifeline from the supercharger hooked into the Tesla’s charging port, we were free to go inside the bakery for a sandwich or coffee or whatever to kill an hour.

    “Most of us don’t even like to stop for gas, so I don’t know how many people would accept a 30-minute or one-hour delay,” he said.

    After an hour, we left Waco with 255 miles of range crackling in the batteries. This time, I somehow managed to stay under 80.

    As a result, we arrived at the newspaper in downtown Dallas with 144 miles left on the range meter.

    That’s pretty impressive for an electric car. But Tesla will need to do more, Nerad believes.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    So if Tesla were to have charging stations strategically located every 150 miles across the USA, it would only add about two days driving time to the cross country trip. I'll stick to filling once a day driving 550-650 miles. Also you won't find decent sized cities located every 150 miles any direction you decide to go.

    I see the Tesla relegated to an Urban Look at ME car.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    Well that's true...there is the SMUG factor. But unlike Segways, Smart cars, Toyota IQ and some EVs, you don't look dorky driving a Tesla.


  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    The Tesla is a beautiful car. It would lose it's glamour for me parked along an interstate with a depleted battery. The computer said I had two more miles.
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