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Will Green Cars Be Exciting To Drive And Enjoyable To Own?

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    Anyone see any sales figures lately. What effect will this have on Tesla motors?

    SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch)--Tesla Motors Inc.'s (TSLA) top sales executive, George Blankenship, has left the company, according to media reports. Blankenship spearheaded the electric car company's retail operations, including its push toward mall-based showrooms that skirted the traditional auto dealership model. Blankenship, 60, confirmed in an email to the San Jose Mercury News that he had retired to spend more time with his family. The company has not yet announced his resignation, which apparently took place several weeks ago. Blankenship came to Tesla in 2010 from Apple Inc. (AAPL), where he was the chief strategist behind Apple's retail stores. The reports did little to budge Tesla shares, which were last up 0.1% at $121.29.

    Most of the market looks up in pre hour trades. TSLA is trading lower $119.70 last trade.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    This may take some pressure off of Tesla.

    Paul Walker -- best known for his role in "The Fast and the Furious" movies -- died Saturday afternoon after a single-car accident and explosion in Southern California ... TMZ has learned.

    The accident happened in Santa Clarita -- north of Los Angeles -- and according to multiple sources connected to Paul ... the actor was in a Porsche when the driver somehow lost control and slammed into a post or a tree ... and then the car burst into flames.


    http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/30/paul-walker-dead-dies-car-accident-fatal-fire-cras- h/#ixzz2mCC9FqJQ
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    I don't know if an almost unstable-by-design (I've seen it called a "widowmaker", and many professional drivers have had trouble with it) street legal race car going off the road at likely triple digit speeds and catching fire compares with a glorified luxobarge driven by bland older people catching fire via road debris - but I am sure Musk can spin it up for us.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    Luckily they didn't kill some innocent bystanders with their crazy driving. It's a shame to see a beautiful car like that destroyed by stupidity. If it was a Lexus it could be blamed on SUA.. ;-)
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    "This is a company that has achieved the remarkable in launching a new automobile, a new propulsion technology and a new automobile manufacturing enterprise in just a few short years and against very long odds.

    [A] typical conventional car with 15 gallons of gas on board carries the explosive power of 210 sticks of dynamite. But most of us drive around all day long blissfully ignoring that deadly potential. Gasoline is the devil we know, and familiarity lets us overlook its flaws."

    Tesla holds huge promise, despite flaws (CNN)
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    I wonder if O'dell has speculated in any stock. Not many, if any, 2012+ 80K+ gasoline luxury sedans catching fire out there, for any reason.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    Reckless driver + dangerous car = won't end well. If it was a Toyota, the car would always be blamed, even if the driver was wholly inept.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    He's likely saved enough gas money driving his Nissan Leaf to be able to afford a few shares. :shades:
  • A very innovative i3 emerges:

    http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/BMW-i3-first-drive-2013-09-10

    No sweat to the current Tesla, unless they want to move downmarket--then they'll run headlong into a very clever piece of engineering that matches their own.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    edited December 2013
    Interesting tidbit, the carbon fiber for those is made in WA state, due to cheap hydropower probably.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    He deserves something for driving a Leaf ;)

    But at least that one isn't aimed at 2%ers who still receive crazy incentives.
  • It's a very controversial design for sure, but very interesting nonetheless. And with the range extender, 300km range is nothing to sneeze at, or 340 or so if you hypermile a bit.

    Tesla is still the 800 lb gorilla on the luxury end, but I think that BMW has leapfrogged Tesla (for the moment) in designing the electric car of tomorrow.

    THIS car is a game changer I think.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    How much does it cost to charge?
    Reed: This is a question I wish I were asked more often because the answer is so awesome. It costs me about $2 for my daily 63-mile commute compared to the $8 it used to cost to cover the same distance in my 2007 Honda Fit Sport.

    In the U.S., the cost of electricity varies far more than the cost of gasoline, from a kilowatt-hour average of 8.6 cents in Washington state to 37 cents in Hawaii.


    I have to assume he lives in WA which has relatively low electric rates at 8.6 cents per KWH. That same charge in San Diego would likely be $7.92. Or a per mile cost of 12.6 cents per mile. Staying with San Diego gas prices of $3.45 per gallon any vehicle that gets 27.6 MPG would be comparable. Not a real selling point for an EV in the land of Fruits, nuts and Flakes. And our electric rates are going up again. If you worked nights you could get a solar panel to charge the car during the day.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    A typical conventional car with 15 gallons of gas on board carries the explosive power of 210 sticks of dynamite.

    That got me thinking. From what I can find a tank of RUG is more volatile than a tank of Diesel. So the chance of a spark starting a fire with a gas vehicle is higher than with a diesel vehicle. It is obvious from the Li-Ion fires in Tesla and Prius after market Plugins, is they are much more likely to catch fire just from internal heat. Any kind of short circuit can start a Li-ion battery fire. Over 7 million Sony laptop batteries were recalled. I got a new one for my Dell Inspiron. Diesel the safest energy source.

    SAN JOSE, Calif. — The massive global recall of batteries made by Sony Corp. widened Wednesday as Japanese electronics maker Fujitsu Ltd. said it is recalling 287,000 laptop batteries that are at risk of overheating or catching fire.

    The move brings the number of lithium-ion batteries being replaced worldwide to more than 7 million, according to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission.

    Fujitsu said the recall would affect 224,000 laptops sold outside Japan across 10 models, including the popular Lifebook series. The remaining 63,000 were sold in Japan. Company officials refused to describe the recall's cost.

    Fujitsu's decision follows similar moves by other major notebook computer makers, with the first and largest coming from Dell Inc. at 4.2 million, followed by Apple Computer Inc. at 1.8 million. Lenovo Group Ltd. and Toshiba Corp. joined the recall last week.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15254251/#.Up0cgCeHhOs
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    John lives within commuting distance of the home office in Santa Monica (i.e. somewhere in the greater LA area).

    If the NHTSA had been around 100 years ago, we'd all have been driving electrics all these years. Lead acid batteries never explode. ;)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    Los Angeles has subsidized electricity and is not burdened as much with State mandates. Not sure what they are paying per KWH. Ours starts at 15 cents and quickly goes up four tiers to 34 cents per KWH. If you don't use any AC and keep the lights off you can keep your bill under $100 per month. I always get brownie points from SDG&E for being well below comparable homes in my area. Where I am considering moving in KY the rates are 6.98 cents per KWH with $5 per month service charge. My bill during a light AC use month (643KWHs)was $135.77. In KY that bill would have been $49.88. So we not only pay some of the highest taxes in the Nation we also get screwed on utilities. Our highest bill this summer was $274.94 (1125 KWH). Same usage in KY would be $83. Owning an EV in San Diego is real iffy on any savings.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    From the link:

    "O'Dell: Fuel cost is immaterial to me. We have a home solar system, so our electric bill is very low. It averages about $25 a month for a 2,000-square-foot house, the EV and the 240-volt natural-gas fuel compressor we have for the Civic. But we are on one of Southern California Edison Co.'s special EV rate plans, so our usual charging — between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. — would average about 8 cents per kWh, or $2.69 per 100 miles of travel, if we had to pay for all of it."
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    Lucky him. The cheapest EV rate in San Diego is 16 cents per KWH. Between the hours of midnite and 5 AM. We won't go into the unknown cost of owning Solar.

    http://www.sdge.com/clean-energy/ev-rates
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,664
    edited December 2013
    Sounds like he's invested a hefty sum in infrastructure for a green lifestyle. Well, more "power' to him.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986

    Built in hypermiling.

    "This innovative technology stops the engine when the vehicle is in motion, so that it does not consume any fuel. Whenever the vehicle can maintain its speed simply by rolling – for instance on a gentle incline – the engine is stopped. As soon as the driver touches the gas or brake pedal, the engine starts up again.

    Tests carried out by Bosch have shown that the combustion engines runs needlessly about 30 percent of the time, meaning that the vehicle could simply coast for about a third of every journey."

    Start-stop system with coasting mode (Bosch Media Service)

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