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What Does Subaru Know That Others Don't?



  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    I think Subaru finally got the Forester recipe pretty much nailed this time around. It's sized right. It looks good. It's contented right. It's priced right.

    It's not perfect, however. It's still got an "old" 4-speed automatic, the gas mileage is so-so, there's no manual option for the turbo model, and the turbo requires premium gas. I suspect some of these issues will be addressed in the next few years. I know a CVT is coming, probably for MY 2012, which would be when the mid-life refresh will likely occur. I also expect a US-spec boxer diesel by then, if not sooner.

    The "tweaked" '09 WRX (which I have) certainly didn't hurt either.

    I saw the Legacy concept yesterday at the Philly auto show, and it looks good in the flesh. I think this too will be a success—if the economy doesn't further implode. It's a bigger (taller, wider, longer = much roomier!) car than the outgoing model, so it should better compete with those buyers who are cross-shopping Accords, Altmas, etc.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    Shifty, as you probably know; once a Subie owner, always a Subie owner (well, almost always...). Subaru has very high owner retention. I've heard more than one Subie sales person say that current Subie owners are a very easy sell, as they usually love their cars.

  • fezofezo Posts: 9,195
    True. Most Subaru owners I know are on at least their third one.

    Don't suppose there is a chance to bring back the Legacy wagon? THAT is a car I'd lie. Tried one back in 99 and would have bought it but it was just a touch too small.
  • Subarus were never particularly strong on MPG. I feel very fortunate to average 26--most people don't.

    You know I don't think I've ever seen a boxer diesel. Can you think of one in a mainstream production EVER?

    Surely the French did this once.... :P
  • morin2morin2 Posts: 399
    The subaru boxer diesel is available in Europe. Nothing definitive for US availability.

    My wife gets 26 mpg in her 07 Forester & I average 30 driving it. Have done as well as 31.5 on the hwy - but I coast, accelerate slowly, keep it about 59 and rarely use brakes...
  • Ah... I don't do any of those things :P
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    Here you go Shifty. :)

    Impreza boxer diesel sold in Europe. It comes with a 6-speed manual; same with the diesel Forester. The diesel Legacy and Outback get 5-speed manuals. It's not yet offered with an automatic, as Subaru doesn't have one strong enough to handle the torque, which is more than found on the 3.6L H-6 Tribeca.

    Rumor has it we may get the diesel here in a couple of years. Here are a couple of road tests:

  • Very interesting. The boxer diesel seems a bit pokey for American tastes but it's about the same as a Prius, so livable. And 60 mpg! Is that for real? Gee, that's 20 miles less per gallon than the 80 mpg I get on my Hummer after ordering my HHO kit from eBay and drilling holes into those mayonnaise jars. :P
  • I'm currently getting about 27-28mpg in my Impreza and the wife is getting about 23-24 in the Outback. When the weather warms up, mine usually jumps to 30-31. The wifes car just turned 10k miles so I'm not sure what we'll see out it this spring.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    I suspect 60 mpg is "Imperial" gallons; even so, that's pretty impressive.

    There are even rumors that a high-output WRX diesel may be in the works!

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    I'm getting ~ 21 - 22 mpg with my '09 WRX, which is mostly a mix of country and highway driving. I just recently took a trip up to the Philly car show and behaved myself on the highway (keeping speeds close to the speed limit), and got a tad over 27 mpg.

    Still, this car gets about .5 mpg - 1 mpg less than my '06 WRX driving under similar conditions.

  • But it's the new one right? So it probably still needs to be broken in.

    I still need to drive a WRX sometime...
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    I've 3,700 miles on it. I expect the gas mileage to improve a little once the weather warms up.

    Coming back from Philly on Monday, I let it rip through the gears after stopping for a toll on I-95. It really scoots right on up to redline. :)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Surely the French did this once....


    Hyundai actually had a good January for sales. But...they are also offering steep discounts, so I dunno about profits.

    For Subaru, though, I agree with Bob - for the most part they nailed the Forester update. Despite the 4EAT sales doubled vs. Jan 08, and they had $2000 cash back then and zero cash back now.

    We got snow yesterday so I parked the Miata and drove my wife's Forester (our 3rd Subaru). It's a very user-friendly vehicle, easy to drive, no blind spots, perfect seat height. I drop down in to my Miata, climb up in to my Sienna, but you just slide right in to a Forester.

    Note to self: get heated seats on my next Miata. :shades:
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    So the Miata will have an encore as well? Those must be such fun cars, I only wish I could fit in it better....

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • One reason I bought the Subaru is that I could fit in it. As Americans grow larger and larger, Japanese cars had better follow suit.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I have to squeeze in to the Miata. I'd say I'm right at the limit. More than an hour behind the wheel and I start to feel fatigue.

    The new one is a little roomier so that's one reason for the upgrade.

    To be honest I've been shopping casually for a newer one since 1999 or so. LOL

    Maybe this decade, maybe next... :D
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    What year/model Subie do you have Shify? How do you like it?

  • I have a '97 but I went through it stem to stern just last radiator, catalytic, brakes, head gaskets, water pump, power steering pump, repaired the AC, new dash light bulbs, fixed the cruise control, new headlight and foglight bulbs, new clutch, re-sealed the engine top to bottom, new belts and hoses, new battery, wiper blades, rear tires.

    That was 15,000 miles ago (I drive a lot) and nary a burp out of it. Totally reliable.

    I'm in the car total about $5,000 bucks at this point. It now has 142K on it.

    I bet I could sell it for that, too.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If you kept receipts, yes.
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