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What Does Subaru Know That Others Don't?



  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,744
    edited December 2011
    I guess we're using the term DNA differently. DNA to me are the insides, which are pure Subaru.

    I'm so confused. If Subaru DNA includes AWD, where did the engineers hide the extra driveshafts??


    Sorry, I'm just chuckling at diehard AWD Subaru fans praising love on a RWD Subaru. But I'm happy to see them accepting change.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Good one...

    Toyota did add their DI, which I think is a good thing.

    Early reviews are positive towards the sounds and revving nature of the FA20, not something Subarus have been known for. Actually Subaru's been the opposite way for a while now, more torquey, less revs.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,412
    Well they started life in the USA as a FWD, so now they've tried everything. They even seem to have hired a styling department after all these years.


  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    That is low. Initial demand will be double that at least. This thing has been hyped up for years and some no doubt have simply saved the cash to buy one.

    Allocation is a good question, I wonder over the life of the model which will be the better seller. Subaru will attract more sport minded people, but the RWD will be troublesome.

    I don't find it offensive, the design doesn't wow me, but there's not a lot to complain about. It's a hell of a lot cooler than a tC anyway.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think the Scion will outsell the Subaru roughly 2 to 1.

    Toyota has more dealers, a much bigger marketing budget, plus Subaru dealers are concentrated in snowy states and this is RWD.

    Tell you what, though, Florida and Texas Subaru dealers are dancing in the streets. I think we will see a bigger surge in more moderate climates.

    I like the styling, but I would have been happy to see the return of affordable RWD coupes even if it had been ugly. ;)
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    Good point about the dealers. And although Subie has grown closer to mainstream IMHO, it is nothing like Toyota (and maybe should never be).

    Genesis coupe is affordable and RWD, and another one that although not pretty isn't offensive either.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    it is nothing like Toyota (and maybe should never be)

    Hopefully. Amen.

    I was hoping the BRZ would get AWD, even if they did electric power to the front axle.

    Or...let Toyota do HSD versions of the platform-mates, while Subaru could market diesels.

    Genesis coupe is a car I thought I would like, but I hate that they used a Genesis name and didn't bring the much nicer interior from the sedan. It is such a disappointment when you sit in them side-by-side. Even if it had cost a lot more, it would have made more sense to me.

    Hyundai will add some nice powertrain upgrades now but for me it's too late. It needs a new interior.

    Supposedly the FT's interior is a bit nicer, plus the name doesn't promise things the interior can't deliver.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    A diesel coupe...that could be something, I think the MB C123 might have been the last one in this market.

    Hopefully for the Breeze, the interior won't be typical of some recent Toyotas.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Thankfully they avoided the center-mounted Scion guages. Well, xA/xB/xD anyway.

    Can't stand those.

    Navi is standard, oddly. HIDs and torsen LSD.

    I think the Subaru engineers gave LSD to the Toyota bean counters for all that to happen. :shades:
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    Oh, center mounted gauges would have been a death knell, enthusiasts hate those. I wouldn't doubt if a Scion exec tried, though :confuse:

    I wonder if anything in the normal production Toyolex stable can even be equipped with LSD.">
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    center mounted gauges would have been a death knell

    The new Yaris did away with those.

    Sales up 160.2% last month.

    Safe to say you're right.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    More and more we're seeing e-Diffs. I was happy to see they went mechanical and even made it standard.

    FWIW it's common for Subaru. Not sure on Toy/Lex to be honest. The IS-F has one, dunno about the rest. Probably e-Diff.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    I really don't like the e-diff. At least, I don't think I do (is this part of the VDC?). If I don't end up getting an Impreza to replace my Escort, I'll use some of my Subaru Bucks to get a LSD from an '08 Forester or Outback to replace the open diff in my Forester. It simply makes for more enjoyment. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, usually brake-based, applying selective pressure to either side of the axle to transfer power.

    I'm happy my Miata has a real Torsen, and stability control is nowhere in sight.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,412
    I just keep mine off permanently---I even bought a wiring kit that does that as the default upon starting the car. I can turn TC on again though if necessary. I also have POSI.


  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    Interesting. I'd love to have that option! The Forester always defaults to VDC on. Of course, I don't remember that until the first time I want to slide through a curve on the road at 60 and the damn car about kills me by trying to correct for a skid that I'm already correcting. Talk about a kill-joy. :cry:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I realize it's mandated now, but the Forester didn't need it. Just stay on the throttle and power shifts to the front axle, pulling you out of the skid. Fairly easy and controllable tail wagging in snow.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    I completely agree. I love the 50/50 power split on the manual Forester. It makes the car highly controllable... but a rear LSD would make it even better.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, give it a little more forward momentum before the rears break out. The S models had a viscous rear LSD. Optimized for snow, obviously, not track days.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    I either give it a little more momentum as I go into the turn, or I abruptly shift the weight of the vehicle toward the outside of the turn. Either method usually results in the rear starting to slide, but the latter certainly provides the more consistent result (but is not nearly as subtle). The momentum method sometimes just results in understeer if I give it too much momentum too early.

    Snow is what I need. I don't think the Forester would make much of a track car unless I planned to do a massive overhaul and make it an STi! Although.... :shades:
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