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2005+ Tacoma with RUSTY FRAME

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  • tacomaguytacomaguy Posts: 39
    My truck is a 2005 extended cab. Its frame is solid and looks as good as the day it came home from the dealership. The rust problem is only with the "First Gen" Toys, isn't it?
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    I think your really reaching with your 4 steps of what YOU think Toyota conspired to what amounts to a cover-up. Would Ford or Chevy or any manufacturer for that matter back-up there error like Toyota did with 150% buybacks and frame replacements for vehicles they sold 15 years ago ? ? ? I don't think so.
  • I hardly think Toyota has any DESIRE to compensate customers for their losses at all. They are trying to remove future potential liability by getting some of these death traps off the road. Its simply a financial decision.

    But they may be fooling themselves if they believe that by applying a deadline to their recall they can save money and still insulate themselves from future litigation.

    Lets say a frame snaps on a Tacoma at 65 MPH on a busy Highway, falls to the tires and causes a horrific accident that kills some people. Do you really think Toyota will be held harmless due to the fact that the owner missed the deadline for frame replacement? Especially if he tried and was denied.

    The very fact that they have admitted the problem exists, obligates them to repair or replace each and EVERY vehicle. You cannot place a deadline on public safety.
  • dyankedyanke Posts: 9
    edited June 2012
    I can tell you with all confidence that this email (#32) is a misrepresentation.

    I am in the process of the frame replacement right now and just went in to have it checked last week. The process is completely painless and they are anxious to help.

    Rather than throw away thousands of dollars because of a misinformed dealer, possibly contact Mark, the service manager at my dealership (815) 748-7300. Since they provide a loaner at their cost, it might be worth the drive to illinois for an $11,000 + free replacement. :)
  • dyankedyanke Posts: 9
    The "Dead Lines" everyone keeps mentioning, the 12/31/11date, were for frame spraying not the replacement.

    The spraying was an effort to protect frames that had not developed problems yet. While ineffective, it seems to have been more of a "stop gap" type effort rather than a final solution.

    I am not aware of any deadline on the frame recall and, if there is, it has yet to be reached.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    edited June 2012
    I don't think you understand the magnitude of the whole settlement program and the exorberant amounts of money Toyota has agreed to pay to resolve their negligence of faulty frames in the Tacomas. How can you say Toyota has "no desire to compensate owners" for frame rust when they paid out over 100 million dollars so far and agreed to extend the frame warranties for 15 years for their error ? ? ?
  • If you missed the frame spraying deadline, and you own a 2001 to 2004 Tacoma, you are not eligible for spraying, frame replacement or buyout. the door is shut and you are left with the problem. This according to Toyota.
  • I understand the magnitude well. Toyota sold Over 3000,000 with this problem. Even if they were sold in warm regions where they aren't affected they still may end up in those areas.

    Lets say for the sake of argument that 500,000 or roughly 16% of them ended up in eligible states. and lets say that your numbers are correct and they spent 100 million dollars. That would come to $200.00 per vehicle.

    But I think we can agree that $200.00 will not even cover the price of the frame treatment for those vehicles. So that means the response was not adequate to remove MUCH of the problem from the road.

    Its actually hard to work with hearsay numbers so I'll do some digging and get the actual numbers and post them. But if 100 Million is all they have paid then they have DEFINITELY dodged the bullet. One good lawsuit could cost them half of that, and it will.
  • dyankedyanke Posts: 9
    Not true, see post #36. I did not get the spraying and just took my truck in a week ago Thursday (2001 Dbl Cab) and am getting the full replacement and free loaner to boot.

    I posted a number in the referenced message if anyone is having issue \s with their dealer.
  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    ...the (very active) existing discussion Toyota Tacoma 2004 and Earlier Frame Problem, let's keep this discussion to 2005 and newer trucks that were not covered by the Toyota program.

    Thanks!
    kcram - Pickups/Wagons/Vans+Minivans Host
  • What state are you in? if it's Ohio I definitely want that dealers number. I think New York was the one of the few/ if not the only state that waqs extended till decemer of 2012.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    edited June 2012
    You know as well as I do that Toyota is not spending $200.00 per vehicle but actually spending much more for Tacoma owners who come forward with the frame problem. Buy backs at 150% of book value per truck? Frame replacements at $11,000.00 per truck? And your gonna quote me $200.00 per vehicle ? What a joke !
  • You just made my point.

    Toyota admits that 812,000 vehicles where affected and eligible for the program. If the $100,000,000 dollar number you threw out is correct then they have paid an average of $123.15, per eligible vehicle. (actually lower than I estimated).

    Of course that number is incorrect. They paid much more per vehicle. So they couldn't have taken care of many of them at all with only 100 million dollars.

    That means there are a lot of people out there who own these trucks and have either not been notified or have been denied repairs.

    You may have been one of the lucky ones, good for you. but if you had not had yours repaired but instead denied You may feel differently.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    I'm sorry, my mistake. After re-reading the article by the New York Times, the $100 million was just for the buybacks of the 1995 to 2000 Tacomas. We both know many thousands more built after 2000 had frame replacements at approx. $11,000 a pop, so obviously much more than $100 million was spent on the program. This proves even further the commitment Toyota had to resolving the rust issue.
  • bigandybigandy Posts: 70
    I strongly doubt that Toyota actually footed the bill for most of these. The frame manufacturer (Dana) would retain liability and was probably forced to pick most or all of the cost. Toyota becomes the middle man and while I'm sure there were costs to them, the bulk of the expense was picked up by Dana.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    No, Dana settled with Toyota in January of 2011 for a one time payment of only 25 million dollars to release them from all warranty claims due to frame rust issues. Dana is now out of the frame business and sold the business to a Mexican company.
  • mcmotomcmoto Posts: 3
    Who have you written to so far regarding your 05. The dealer will not touch the 05 Tacoma in Woburn MA. I would love to get an idea of how many other people are facing this problem. Maybe an open letter sent to an agency can get some action. I am gather information to write letters to different parties hoping to get some response. Any information or ideas are welcome.
  • bigandybigandy Posts: 70
    Didn't know that Tom. Thanks for the correction. Dana got off incredibly easily.
  • cshinn89cshinn89 Posts: 4
    Both my father and I had 05 tacomas I still have mine but the frame is starting to look bad, as for my dads he had to replace it 2 months ago because his frame rusted through and creaked and Toyota tools him he was SOL
  • mcmotomcmoto Posts: 3
    I am assuming SOL means statute of limitation. 2005 was not part of the class action. That is the problem. I wonder if some of the 2005 were equiped with some of the Dana frames. Anyway of finding out what kind of parts you have on your car? Seems interesting some trucks have the same trouble.
  • mcmotomcmoto Posts: 3
    I am assuming SOL means statute of limitation. 2005 was not part of the class action. That is the problem. I wonder if some of the 2005 were equiped with some of the Dana frames. Anyway of finding out what kind of parts you have on your car? Seems interesting some trucks have the same trouble.
  • oly51oly51 Posts: 3
    I think he meant Sh*t Out of Luck...

    I'm going to bring my '05 Taco to a dealer next week for an oil change and will have them inspect the frame so it is on record.
  • cshinn89cshinn89 Posts: 4
    I did mean s*it out of luck
  • paul239paul239 Posts: 1
    I have a 2005 tacoma king cab long bed with frame rot at the front inside on both sides at the radius directly behind the wheels. Are there any considerations offered by toyota? I will follow up with my dealer.
  • cshinn89cshinn89 Posts: 4
    Their solution was buy a new one with no help from us
  • This sounds exactly like what happened to me! I got a letter from Toyota about 2 years ago saying that my truck MAY be recalled due to a rust issue and that I should contact my local dealership... which I did! Though I tried multiple times over the next 2 years, each time I called the dealership (Sloane in Glenside, PA) I was told that MY truck was NOT one of the ones recalled even though it was listed online. The dealership refused to even INSPECT it!

    Then, three weeks ago, my own mechanic told me my 97' Toyota Tacoma would not even pass inspection next year, that it was unsafe, and that the frame was completely rotted! He showed me! It crumbled in his hands when he pushed his finger through it! I called the dealership AGAIN! This time they told me it was covered for another 3 months, scheduled for me to bring it in this morning, but when I did they had NO record of the appointment, NO record of me ever being in their system at all, and told me that the recall had expired, thank you very much and have a nice day. I AM FURIOUS because now I have a worthless truck that I paid full price for that I can't resale! And I can't afford to fix it OR buy a new car! I really want to get involved in a class action law suit! This was intentional! I'm at mdomanska@sch.org if anyone has a good lawyer! They owe me a vehicle!
  • In your case your truck IS! part of the recall and you ARE! entitled to 150% of the KBB value
  • claudieclaudie Posts: 2
    My 05 Tacoma is unsafe to drive as per the dealer . I had it inspected in 2010 was told it was not bad just minor rust.had it inspected again July 30 2012 was told by service manager yep unsafe to drive.sorry call Toyota experience and complain we can't do anything. called them with case # they said its in dealer hands. my stabilizer bar is rotted off the frame plus holes through frame I'm looking into a class action law suit any helpful information ? I know i;m not the only one.JUST LOOK AROUND ITS ALL OVER THE INTERNET.ANY ONE WHO HAS THIS PROBLEM SHOULD CALL AND COMPLAIN ! DON'T LET UP THATS WHAT TOYOTA WANTS THEY WANT YOU TO GO AWAY WELL GUESS WHAT I'M NOT!!!!!!!!!! TO BE CONTINUED.............
  • andiautandiaut Posts: 2
    I would love to be a part of that law suit if you find one. We took our 2002 tacoma in, it was inspected, they passed it and sprayed the frame to prevent rust. This was when the recall first happened about two years ago. They gave us the extended 15 year warranty. As we were driving the brakes went out two weeks ago. Upon futher inspection the brake lines were rusted in two. As we looked under the frame had a hole completely rust in frame. both side were cracked. Took it to dealer they said one side was definitly rust damage but the other side was due to stress. They had inspector look at the frame and he said it was due to abuse. SO it is Not covered. Abuse cause by what? driving it in the snow? If one side is rust of course the other will have stress. We own three toyotas at this time, and have owned many before these. It is ashame to be a loyal consumer and be screwed like this!!
  • andiautandiaut Posts: 2
    I would love to be a part of that law suit if you find one. We took our 2002 tacoma in, it was inspected, they passed it and sprayed the frame to prevent rust. This was when the recall first happened about two years ago. They gave us the extended 15 year warranty. As we were driving the brakes went out two weeks ago. Upon futher inspection the brake lines were rusted in two. As we looked under the frame had a hole completely rust in frame. both side were cracked. Took it to dealer they said one side was definitly rust damage but the other side was due to stress. They had inspector look at the frame and he said it was due to abuse. SO it is Not covered. Abuse cause by what? driving it in the snow? If one side is rust of course the other will have stress. We own three toyotas at this time, and have owned many before these. It is ashame to be a loyal consumer and be screwed like this!!
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