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2005+ Tacoma with RUSTY FRAME

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  • After two years of having been told at inspection time about the rust, I brought my truck into Toyota for an inspection. They saw the rust and a possible crack. I need a Service Manager to look at it to make a decision. Although the dealership says they haven't seen this too much, there happen to be another 2005 in the service area for the same thing. I filed a complaint with Toyota and Department of highway safety and have case numbers from both. The case numbers don't mean anything except a way to watch the complaints come in. If you have a 2005 with frame rust, call toyota and get a case number and have it inspected. The more people that do this the better chance of Toyota seeing an issue beyond 2004's and recalling them. One service guy told me that it is a completely new design and frame manufacturer. Highly unlikely :) Good luck
  • Brought my 2005 Tacoma in this past Saturday and I was told that a service manager would have to look at it to make a decision. They found rust and a possible crack. My mechanic found the rsut and some weak spots. This is two years in a row I was told at inspection time my frame was rusted. I filed a complaint with Toyota and with the Dept of Highway Safety. I have case numbers from both. Thcase numbers themselves is a way to track the number of complaints. File complaints with both offices. the more complaints filed the better chance we have to get compenstion and or repairs. I said the same thing to some one about a possible batch of left over frames from the 2004 models built by DANA installed on 2005's. One service guy told me it was a new design and a new manufacturer. I don't think so!!!
  • junk01junk01 Posts: 3
    I have called toyota coustmer service wound up at a dead end called ohio attonery general waiting for call back I think if you have owned the truck for six months they would have bought it back the deadline in ohio was 12-31-11 now for the good news new york state deadline is 12-31-13 would have to take truck to new york and register it there. This looks the the only recourse we have or be stuck with a unsafe junk truck we can not get rid of. dealer would not look at my truck since recall was over unless i paid for it.toyata it sounds to me like you have a total disregard for human life. buy american next time
  • junk01junk01 Posts: 3
    the older toyotas that come from japan were rust buckets no american made parts
  • junk01junk01 Posts: 3
    class action law suit
  • I am having the same issue on the roof of my 2005 Toyota Tacoma, I never noticed the huge rust spot on the roof of the truck until yesterday helped my brother move some furniture to his new place and OMG, the rust spot is huge. I filed a complaint with Toyota today and they said that they could do nothing for me because the timing is no longer within the warranty. I have yet to take it to the dealership and see what they can do for me there. But if it is a problem and/ or defect I think Toyota should pay for a new frame. It is so unfair! If others are having issues, please call Toyota and make them aware of the problem. Apparently, they have very few complaints of rust on the framing of the 2005 Tacoma. PLEASE CALL TOYOTA IF YOU ARE EXPERIENCING THESE ISSUES, if they have enough complaints they will consider a recall/ replacement!!!!!!!
  • aescoaesco Posts: 3
    Like many others, my Tacoma's frame is rusting away. Frame about 3' in front of back tires is swelling and flaking. Rust continues all the way to wheel well. Bolts connecting springs are becoming brittle and look suspect. Dealer said it was not bad enough to warrant any action when they inspected it 2years ago. Never had a vehicle rust like this. would like to have a friend grind all the rust away and reinforce the frame with new steel but am worried this would disqualify me if there ever was a recall or frame replacement for 06 Tacoma's. Not sure what to do. Would rather have a vehicle that is safe. Don't want to wait until I can poke a whole in my frame with a screwdriver or worse yet the frame cracks in half. Did not expect my Tacoma to be disposable. Thought I was buying quality.
  • aescoaesco Posts: 3
    Ironically just after I posted the above message a Toyota Tacoma add popped up with the slogan "it doesn't have a soft spot" I guess Toyota forgot about their frames.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Funny but sad for owners like you.

    Toyota doesn't seem to do anything about these frames before it's too late, then they offer something. If it were mine and I thought my safety was not at stake yet, I would just drive it and try not to let it bother me. I would expect sooner or later Toyota will stand good for this problem just like they did before. I wouldn't want to spend any money to possibly disqualify myself from any forthcoming settlement.
  • oly51oly51 Posts: 3
    That's the dilemma I'm facing. Do I wait to see 'if' Toyota will do something about the rusty frames, (and what would they do) or do I do something now to try and stop the rust from getting worse?

    Rattle can painting the frame last Fall did not last. I'm tempted to wire brush, POR-15 it and spray the inside with Eastwood's Internal Frame Coating.
  • aescoaesco Posts: 3
    Oly51, that's what I have been doing, wire brush, rust killer and paint. doesn't work. all it does is delay the inevitable. I'm gonna have a friend who rebuilds cars grind away some of the rust but if to much is grinded away there won't be any frame left in one spot. Same friend bought a brand new Toyota truck in 79 and told me it lasted two years before body rust became so severe he sold it. I guess Toyota has made some headway, my toyotas 6 years old and hasn't totally rusted away yet. But then again it cost three times as much as one cost in 79 (10,000).
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    The Tacoma frames is rust from the inside out; regardless of what you do to the outside it's not going to stop the rust.
  • We have the same frame problems, and are getting the same disregard from Toyota--how does one find out about class action law suit. The biggest on in American auto history has just been settled against Toyota (12/2012) for the exceloration problems. There must be some way to pursue this since so many people are having problems with the frames in this truck. SNoel
  • tacomaripofftacomaripoff Posts: 1
    edited February 2013
    Bought the truck, 2003 tacoma, in Feb. 2012 from out of state from a non Toyota dealer. Had it inspected by Toyota of Batavia in Dec. 2011. They documented in black and white that the frame qualified for replacement but that I had to be the registered owner for six months. Went to inquire about getting the frame replaced in Jan. 2013 only to learn that the Campaign has expired. Opened a case with Toyota corporate and here is what they told me. If my truck would of had the undercoating applied by Sept. 2011 the frame warranty would have been extended and my truck would qualify now. Since that wasn't done there's nothing they're going to do. In light of that I inquired at a local frame / body repair shop who found a used frame in good condition for $1400 but the killer is labor at $3000. Frame altogether doesn't look so bad or like it gonna fail anytime soon. The worst area is where the leaf spring attaches to the frame is rusted through right above the weld on the inside of the front passenger side. Seems to me like a competent repair shop should be able to weld in some support pieces.
  • RustyTaco2005 - I am also from Canada and I just received bad news tht my frame is cracked. The garage thinks its becaise of rust. Did you get anywhere with Toyota? Can you please email me j_bucciarelli@hotmail.com
  • What has Toyota done if anything to the newer Tacomas (2006-2013) to prevent Frame Rust? I did hear that Toyota won a court case against the company that dipped/painted the frames. How does Toyota prepare the frames on newer trucks? Thank you

    Cunner
  • We also have a 2005 with a rusty frame. had it sprayed three years in a row was told that would ensure its safety.. Absolutely not.. It is very frustrating to take care of your vehicles have this happen. We already saw our service manager he said the frame failed.. but a Toyota Rep.. had to look at it because the 2005 weren't on the list.. for fixing or buying back,.. so I am stuck like most of you with an unsafe vehicle.. for the moment.. I called Toyota and got a case number.. although a case manager is supposed to call back with in 24 hours.. I guess because we had the rust proofing done.. the call center person thinks they may replace the frame but I am not holding my breathe.. Has anyone had any luck with Toyota helping them at all.? The number I called is 1- 800- 331 4331 option 3 ..

    If anyone hears about a lawsuit or recall please email .. Pelham45s@yahoo.com

    Rebecca`
  • did you get the rust proofing done ?
  • Okay, the company I work for owns a 2003 Taco here in Guam and as I speak, it's having its frame being replaced by our local Toyota Dealer, AK Guam.
    Apparently the recall campaign is still in effect here.
    Funny that we live in a humid, salt air environment and our 2003 Taco frame didn't look that rusted but we were informed that the VIN on our Taco is part of the chassis replacement program.
    I'm now driving a 2013 4 door crew cab as our loaner while the frame replacement is being done.
    I was not aware that the campaign stopped in December in states side and to see these post about the troubles you guys are facing?????
    We also have a 2005 (2nd Gen) Taco and the frame on that one still looks good as new???

    Thought I share this
  • greg128greg128 Posts: 372
    edited August 2013
    Here is a post on Tacoma World fourm about a letter received from Toyota concerning what I believe is a 2006 Tacoma. Some very nasty pictures of frame rust on a 2006.

    In the interest of customer satisfaction, Toyota may review individual requests even when the factory warranty has expired.

    We have reviewed your circumstances, taking into consideration such factors as the vehicle's age and mileage in comparison to the manufacturer's original warranty, the nature of the repair, and any prior maintenance and repair history.

    While we regret that you incurred this expense, your request for reimbursement has been declined.

    Toyota values you as a customer, and we appreciate this opportunity to further review your request.

    Your email has been documented at our National Headquarters under file #1305081604.

    Joanne Hahn
    Toyota Customer Experience

    and another post:

    This is a 2005 Tacoma (yes, oh five) extended cab TRD.

    We're the second owner, purchased this from the dealership and they've done all major work / service on this vehicle. Incl new tires, alignment and regular rotation. We've had this a little over a year.

    Had the truck in at the dealership for new brakes today. They called me to say that there was a major hole in the frame. see photo.

    I said "is it safe to drive?" They said... "No".

    They told me to call Toyota Corporate to open a case and get a case number. I got a case number and that's about all from the phone call.

    They are following up with the regional toyota person.

    There was one owner with a 2005 who, after posting 10-15+ posts on Tacoma world forum
    finally had the frame replaced by Toyota. There is no formal program in place for MY 2005+ but I think when the affected owners are vocal enough... whether through internet forums or at their dealer, Toyota is stepping up.
  • ruggedtruggedt Posts: 1
    edited May 13
    I have rust starting to work its way through my 2006. Toyota had me take it to a dealership for an inspection. They noted all my aftermarket parts; saying they caused the rust. Lift, rims, tires, ect... causing frame rust. THey're not going to help us. Here is the last response from them as well as a few pics.

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    Subject
    Rust

    Discussion Thread
    Response Via Email (Megan B.) 11/07/2013 03:50 PM
    Dear Stan G,

    Thank you providing us with an update to your concern.

    Our records indicate that the Customer Relations Manager at McGeorge Toyota performed the inspection of your Tacoma at no cost to you and advised that any repairs necessary would be the responsibility of the owner.

    Please be aware the information you have provided is used in combination with warranty claims and other customer contacts to track trends with our vehicles. If in the future a Special Service Campaign (SSC)/recall or warranty enhancement is issued that would cover your specific issue, and you have already made repairs to the vehicle, Toyota would review your repairs for reimbursement at that time.

    Your email has been documented at our National Headquarters under file #1310310403. If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.

    Sincerely,

    Megan B.
    Toyota Customer Experience
  • chaacchaac Posts: 1
    Some better outcome — Toyota is replacing the frame on my 2006 Tacoma.

    The truck breezed through inspection and winter tire installation. Then the mechanic noticed a rust crust on the frame, tapped it to knock it off, and opened a hole in the frame. Sorry, he said. It won’t pass inspection. The mechanic suggested that I bring it to the dealer for them to look at.

    Dealer gave me an inspection appointment right away, with a “There is no replacement program” warning. They inspected the Tacoma and agreed to open up a case at the Toyota Customer Care Center. Said they’d talk with Tacoma offices and would get back to me.

    As soon as I got home I sent in a complaint to NHTSA.
    "NHTSA Vehical Safety Complaint Information has been successfully submitted."

    Next evening I got a call back telling me that the manufacturer had agreed to a free frame replacement, and that I should bring the truck in right away. They gave me a free loaner, a 2013 Tacoma, to use for the 4-6 weeks that it would take to get a replacement frame in and to make the replacement.

    Maybe they appreciated that the bad frame was about to turn a loyal customer into a lost customer. Maybe they are getting enough complaints that they see the writing on the wall and are starting a replacement program with as little bad publicity as possible. Maybe they noticed that the NHTSA complaint had be filed. Whatever the explanation, the only bad news for me is that I'll have to give up the new Tacoma when they get the old one road-worthy again.
  • Thanks for that info! My 05 tacoma has a 1-1/2 inch hole in the frame from rust and cannot get anything from toyota on it. Haley toyota in Roanoke, Va wont help much at all. I filed a complaint with NHTSA just like you had posted and am hoping for an out come from this. I love this truck and WAS planning on keeping it for a long time. It has 184K miles and has been well taken care of and runs like a new one but an 8 year old truck should not have this issue.I have a 87 ford with less rust on its frame than this and thats sad!
  • nater419nater419 Posts: 1
    edited December 2013
    Hi Chandler09, Did your Truck have the Rust proofing done in the past? I also have an 2006 Tacoma with a rusted out frame and was told it would only be covered if the rust proofing was done before 2012.
  • pegleripegleri Posts: 4

    I'm starting the process of running my rust issue up the Toyota flagpole for the rust on my 2005 Tacoma.
    1- I have opened a case with NHTSA 2- I went to my local Toyota and had them formally document the rust on the underside. 3- They took pix and forwarded them to the regional Toyota rep who responded that he can't do anything because it's out of warranty 4- They said I can keep running up the Toyota chain of command, but not sure exactly who to address it to. Any ideas?

    Also, including some pix of the frame....

    Rich

  • I also have a 2005 Tacoma with frame rust and it will not pass inspection. My Toyota dealership told me to call Toyota customer service and they would help, but they are unwilling to do anything. I bought this car new and also have a second Toyota that I bought new. I have these cars routinely serviced at Toyota as well. I have been a loyal customer for many years and now they are screwing me over. I am starting to think these posts about Toyota helping people with rust on 2005+ Tacomas are BS. Probably shill posts by someone from Toyota. I am never buying another Toyota again.

  • walt501walt501 Posts: 16

    @knowsitall said: Well boxdin: You are clearly the epitome of ignorance.

    First off, the Toyota frame problem was a result of their AMERICAN frame supplier... DANA.

    Second, Toyota trucks (Tacoma and Tundra) are made in.... you got it... AMERICA. Specifically, they are mostly made in San Antonio TX.

    Third, the various OTHER problems with Toyota trucks also point at AMERICAN supplier problems, like the LUK CLUTCH FAILURES (affecting R155 and RA60 manual transmissions) -- those POS clutches are manufactured by an AMERICAN company, in their MEXICAN factory. When replaced by the high quality AISIN clutch (manufactured in Japan), they last virtually FOREVER.

    The RA60 transmission is plagued with problems. Made in ALABAMA. Not the R155 though, its made in Japan. Similar with the engines.... the 4.0 is made in ALABAMA, and makes weird noises and is susceptible to low oil pressure and premature wear as a result (some catastrophic failures). The 2.7 is indestructible -- MADE IN JAPAN.

    Time and again, all the problems that Toyota has been having with product quality are... AMERICAN problems. The stuff that comes from Japan is BULLETPROOF.

    Thanks, but I'll steer as far away from AMERICAN GARBAGE as I possibly can. You can go enjoy your dodge or whatever other piece of trash you own, enjoy its 3 year life span.

    This is a typical response from a paid Toyota shill. Toyota - the company - is responsible for ensuring that every part that they use to assemble a vehicle meets their design standards. Once a part is affixed to the vehicle, no matter where it is built, Toyota is saying that it meets their quality standards. The fact that so many frames are rusting means that either Toyota specified inferior steel and rust proofing for the frame or they didn't bother to test the frames they were receiving from the outside supplier. In either event, the responsibility lies with Toyota. By putting their badge on the hood and selling it to the consumer, Toyota is saying "This vehicle meets our standards".

    Best wishes to all who are trying to wrangle with Toyota to get your vehicles fixed. If it were me, I'd hire an attorney that specializes in auto manufacturer defects and I'd keep chewing Toyota's rear end until the vehicle is fixed!

  • farmerbob3farmerbob3 Posts: 1

    I bought my 05 Taco TRD Off Road STD Trans. one year ago from Toyota dealer with 70k on it. Had to replace the intermediate shaft in Jan $522 - ouch. Airbag light came on couple of weeks ago, so had them check that issue. Spiral cable is shot, needs replacement - for $650 - ouch. Only had it for 10k miles (hmmm) While performing that, they found the frame to be rotted, and needs to be replaced - $13k and need truck for a month - HUGE OUCH! They say Toyota will cover the frame, and gave me a shiney white Tundra for the month B) . I hope the Taco is put back together well. Wonder what's next with this "solid" "bulletproof" "reliable" truck - hmmmm.

  • tomapop2000tomapop2000 Posts: 1

    Hey Ruggedt or anyone else that has had their frame replaced....how is it driving after the replacement? Any other problems? What else had to be replaced?

  • joedirt05joedirt05 Posts: 1
    edited June 2

    RuggedT sold his rustoma and got a Ford. If you go on tacomaworld.com and search for 05+ frame rust, you'll find a bunch of threads about the issue. I have the same issue and opened a complaint with NTHSA and a case with toyota. I was told tough [non-permissible content removed], out of warranty, it's your problem. This is the last toyota I will ever spend my money on. Longest lasting, most dependable vehicles on the road my a$$.

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