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2010 Prius - Next Generation



  • rogue9rogue9 Posts: 8
    If you are leaning towards an 09 instead of a 2010 prius from a pure price standpoint, then how you intend to finance it, is an issue you should consider. The banks will consider the 09 a less desirable vehicle to extend a loan on, and thus the money factor on a lease for this vehicle will be worse than on the 2010 simply because the resell value hence the residual value of the vehicle will be much lower.
    If you intend to purchase it apposed to leasing, then your interest rate should be somewhat comparable on both vehicles depending on the lender.
    In essence you might be better off if you are considering a lease to look at the 2010 over the 2009 because the money factor is more favorable on a newer vehicle model year, especially when significant upgrades have been made to that newer model.
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Posts: 1,405
    If she works at a dealership she should know more details. In CA the batteries are good for what_ 10 years and 150,000 miles? If it's within that period and needs replaced and Toyota won't cover it then it would be noce to know the "rest of the story". If thgere was damage then perhaps the $5K was for more than just the battery?

    Maybe the Gen 1 are more but other postings show the battery at less than $3.

    Still the lease vrs purchase decision needs to factor in the miles you drive. If I only drove 10,000 miles a year I'm not sure the Prius would be my choice anyway.
  • feltfelt Posts: 105
    I inadvertently posted my question on the wrong thread. Sorry.

    All you 2010 owners.

    How does the calculated (miles driven/gallons) compare to the dash mpg display?
  • "My wife works for a southern california toyota dealership and had mentioned the other day, the first case of a customer having to pay out of pocket for a replacement battery for a 2001 prius. The cost of the battery was 5 thousand dollars. ..."
    Oh man, too bad:

    The NHW11 model Prius, 2001-03, had the first generation prismatic battery that is not as strong as the NHW20, 2004-09 and ZVW30, 2010 battery:

    Many of us think the best answer for the NHW11 is to rebuild the traction battery by using the more modern, NHW20 modules.

    Regardless, one could pick up a worn out Prius with a bad battery and for an additional $3,000 and your own labor or pay Toyota and get a car that easily achieves 45-50 MPG. But of course, some drivers"> may prefer to pay at the pump.

    Bob Wilson
  • rogue9rogue9 Posts: 8
    She is in finance dept. not parts or service so it is quite possible that the figure included some sort of disposal fee, installation fee, and any other fee they could think of. Nonetheless doesn't sound cost effective for a 8 year old car.
    The current batteries are covered for 10 years and or 150k miles but not too sure if the 01 model had the same coverage.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Sorry there's somthing fishy in that story. The full retail MSRP of a new replacement battery for a 2001 Prius is $2288!!! ... not $5000. Labor is extra but not $2300 extra.

    Yes the smart thing to do is go to the body shop of any large Toyota store and look for a Prius of that Generation that has been totalled with front end damage and try to buy the battery from the insurance company that's paying off the claim.

    Batteries ARE NOT $5000!!!
  • feltfelt Posts: 105
    There is so much written about new battery technology, and the fact that Toyota stayed with the older, proven technology. Do you suppose that at sometime in the future, the current battery can be replaced(upgraded) with a newer, high-tech battery? Maybe it is an invalid cormarison, but (as long as it fits) a driver has a tremendous number of options in which 12 v battery to uses. Granted, a newer battery would need to have all the correct mounts and connections ..... my question pertains more to the electronic issue of a later swap.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Allegedly the Li-Ion batteries were supposed to have been put into this new Gen3 Prius replacing the NiMH batteries. However a couple of years ago when it was discovered that the Li-Ions were not ready for prime time and may not be ready for full scale usage before 2011 the NiMHs were kept for the Gen3.

    One of many benefits of the NiMHs is their very low cost and unquestioned durability. In the auto business these two characteristics alone are enough to keep them around for a long long time. My own guess is that the NiMHs stay for at least another 10+ years as the 'base' technology for vehicles only getting 45-55 mpg.

    When new battery technology arrives it will be blended into the mix but as a 'premium' offering with better capabilities .... at a premium price.

    IMO we will soon see $15000 - $28000 'traditional' hybrids using NiMH technology and $30000+ hybrids using Li-Ion technology.
  • I've also heard that Toyota lowered the cost of the battery packs considerably. I am pretty certain I read that the MSRP for the 2004-2009 battery pack is $2200.00 As time goes on, I would expect that cost to even lower. If you look at eBay there is almost always a few people selling salvage battery packs from Prius'.
  • feltfelt Posts: 105
    I have a web site to monitor arriving ships. Does anyone know which sea port Toyota uses for west coast imports? .... specifically Utah.

    I assume the vessels are special built Toyota ships. Does anyone know the names of the craft in Toyota's fleet?
  • feltfelt Posts: 105
    I am a soon to be Prius owner. I have seen no thread that identifies a potential problem ......that I have wondered about: With the excessive starting and stopping of the ICE ..... isn't there an abnormal amount of use (wear and tear) of the starter? It would seem that the starter, solonoid and gears would need to of exceptional quality to withstand the constant use. Any experiences with these components?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    The Prius is designed for frequent start/stops. It does not have a typical "starter" or gears.
  • What you're asking relates to conventional thinking and cars of the past The Hybrid Prius is unlike that thinking and design. With over 100K miles I am a believer in this car and it's high-tech design. It simply works like no other. This is a big part of the future of automobiles.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    There are multiple threads on this subject over a PC with people tracking 'their' vessel up and down the W Coast and E Coast. Toyota doesn't owns the ships but likely has longterm charters from NKK and other owners.l
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Actually the ICE has a very very very easy life with almost zero cold starts. It almost always runs at it's most optimal speed of about 1600 rpms or it simply idles along @ 950 rpms...even at 70 mph.

    MG1 acts as the 'starter' motor getting the ICE up and spinning but not using any fuel. MG2 gets the vehicle rolling and uses its massive torque to overcome intertia.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    I would think that it would not even need a traditional starter, since when the engine kicks in the car's inertia should be enough to turn the engine over. It's sort of lke push starting a car in which case the starter is never being used, or at a dead stop the battery is linked to the drive train that provides the inertia to "push-start" the engine.
  • feltfelt Posts: 105
    Thank you for all the information about the operation of starting the ICE ... fascinating. Now, the question arises, with the ICE running infrequently, and at such low RPM's, I wonder why the frequency of oil changes cannot safely be extended?

    BTW, I heard from my dealer that mine will be here by the end of July.
  • msmortonmsmorton Posts: 4
    I rented a 2010 model V which I enjoyed. I read reviews that the 17" tires make the car handle a lot better than the 15". After looking at some tire sites it appears 16" may be an option. I just don't know if it is a option on the 17" or 15" set up. Just don't want to spend 30,000.00 for the V model.
  • feltfelt Posts: 105
    A week or so ago I found a web site that showed the Prius Allocation list. It listed dealers, location, vehicles, models, Nav, interior colors, and etc. Unfortunately, I did not bookmark the site (I thought I did). I have searched, but cannot find the site again. Anyone have any leads where that might be? Thanks in advance.
  • Am ready to buy a new 2010 Prius. My first ever new car finally at age 62. We live in the Seattle area of WA and am looking for the best Toyota Dealership to work with. I want all the the options available.

    What should I be expecting to pay?

    What Dealership do you recommend I check with? I will pay cash for the vehicle. Currently through July Toyota will pay all sales tax in our area.

    Any idea how long a wait I should expect?

    Since it probaly have to be special ordered, how much of a down payment will I need to pay?

    Thanks for any help you might have to offer. Chris
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