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All-New 2010 Legacy/Outback

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  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,714
    Where AWD helps most is that if you have to accelerate hard, you have 4 wheels working for you.

    I've had to accelerate hard several times in my '09 XT, and in all cases the car simply speeds up - no wheel spin, no smoking tires, no torque steer, no traction hesitations. This proved true for wet, and often on snowy roads (latter had Nokians helping out).
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I was under the impression that on curves it performs better, even on dry roads, which is one of the reasons that the Audi A4 Quattro handles so well.

    It does help with traction, but it does not automatically make it better then all FWD cars on the road.

    AWD is also only as good as the rest of the car placed on top of it. If you have a soft suspension, which creates body roll, you will lose traction. Steering feel / reaction also comes into play.

    In my fleet of cars at home, the 05 Mazda6 I have betters my wifes 07 Legacy, by a long shot. Too much body roll always squeals the tires when taking corners hard.

    A car like the STi is a bit different because it has a properly tuned suspension.

    My point was that until we see a comparo with the Legacy in it against other FWD sedans, we will not know which handles the best. Unless Subaru made substantial improvements in the suspension of the Legacy, I don't think it will be the best handling mid-sizer on the market. The Mazda6 and Altima are currently the best, sans luxury like BMW.

    Does a car with best in class horsepower mean it's the fastest? No.
    Does a car with best in class horsepower mean it's the least fuel efficient? No.
    Does the largest car in it's class mean it's the heaviest? No.
    Does a car with AWD mean it handles better then a FWD competitor on dry pavement? No.
  • surrfurtomsurrfurtom Posts: 124
    I drove an 2010 OB 2.5 CVT last week and to the best of my recollection the rpms around 70mph were about 2000. Don't accept this as 100% accurate as it comes from memory of a casual observation comparing my 02 OB that is geared much lower.
  • After scouring Edmunds I've come to the conclusion that 1) manual transmission cars are a dying breed and 2) only Subaru offers a SUV/wagon with a manual and a moon roof for under $30k with their Forester and Outback models. IMHO the 2010 Outback wins out over the Forester with the new larger design. The Forester does have fold-away mirrors, a larger moon roof and is locally $2.7k cheaper. But the redesigned Outback cabin is the clincher, both with the larger front and back seats areas. And the greater width and length of the cargo area, though slightly smaller for 2010, still exceeds the Forester by a significant amount.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Also, the new Outback has higher EPA gas mileage ratings than the Forester, and all Outback engines run on regular gas.

    Bob
  • cptpltcptplt Posts: 1,075
    09 OB 4sp auto

    2300rpm@60
    2500rpm@65
    2700rpm@70
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    But the redesigned Outback cabin is the clincher, both with the larger front and back seats areas. And the greater width and length of the cargo area, though slightly smaller for 2010, still exceeds the Forester by a significant amount

    I believe the passenger space is almost identical.

    There is one other difference in favor of the Outback (presuming it is as quiet and jolt free as my 2005): The Forester has much more jolting from a bad road surface. I rode as a passenger in the new Forester two days ago and noted that it was not nearly as good a ride as my Outback 3.0R. Also the Forester low front passenger seat is a disappointment. For the small price difference, if you like the styling, the Outback wins.
  • tee_el_ceetee_el_cee Posts: 20
    I thought that being in NJ, I could only get the PZEV 2.5i Outback. But I just checked some local dealers' websites (2010's are finally trickling in here) and I'm seeing V6's with the 5spd auto as well.

    How does PZEV affect model availability anyway?

    If there's a PZEV version of the car, I can't get non-PZEV versions?
    And if so, does version mean "Outback" or "Outback 2.5i"?

    But I can buy other models with no PZEV version? So what is Subaru trying to do -- make sure a target % of cars sold in PZEV states are PZEV?

    Thanks,
    tlc
  • tinycadontinycadon Posts: 287
    PZEV models are only the 4cyl ones, V-6 and Turbos are not PZEV models.
  • thanks!

    that reassures me that I won't be listening to too much thrashing under the hood at cruising speed, LOL.

    Jon
  • ktmotoxktmotox Posts: 5
    Not to be too picky but Subaru makes an H6 not a V6
  • gmginsfogmginsfo San Diego, CAPosts: 113
    FYI, RPMs at 74 MPH in my '03 Forester 2.5 AT are 3K.
  • jimbon1jimbon1 Posts: 1
    Does anyone know if the Outback or Forester have a front passenger seat that folds down ( to make room for really long cargo) ?

    Thanks,
  • dan_odan_o Posts: 2
    I test drove a new 2010 Legacy sedan recently. Overall I have mixed feelings. The increased interior space is certainly nice, but I don't like the new trunk design at all - That is due to the rear window almost ending at the rear bumper. The only way to put items in the truck is sideways, and then you can barely see what you're putting in the back. The interior gauges were nice, but the seat material seemed kind of hard and not very comfortable. Driving included some straight back roads and highway travel. Backroads the suspension seemed to provide about the right amount of firmness without being punishing. Accelerating onto the curving highway on-ramp, the front wheels seemed to understeer more than the previous Legacy. On the highway there was a more noticable vibration from the drivetrain felt through the steering wheel than the previous Legacy. Although the wind noise was essentially eliminated by the new windor frames, there seemed to be a noticable amount of drive train noise in the interior on the highway. Bottom line is that I doubt I'll go back and buy one of the first of the new production run, but will wait and see if Subaru makes any refinements. However, based on the minimal changes to the 2010 Forester, they may be slow in coming. I may take a closer look at the Outback, since it has more room than the Forester and gets better mileage due to the new CVT tranny. Subie really needs to update the 4-speed automatic in the new Forrester, or else it may start losing sales to the new Outback.
  • pmd2pmd2 Posts: 5
    I test drove the 2010 2.5iOutback Limited this weekend and was very dissappointed. The exterior redesign was very pleasing. Like the top rails and their functionality. Car seems to be much bigger than the 09. Only complaint is it looks like a Volvo! As for the interior, the color combinations that Subaru offers are horrible. Why someone cannot purchase a black exterior and black interior combination is ridiculous. Anyway, the seating was comfortable, shoulder and head room very adequate for 6' person. Back seating was very comfortable. Now onto the driving: acceleration from the start was lackluster, handling rough pavement was jarring and my passenger complained about being jostled around. All in all, the only reason I am looking into the 2010 over the 2009 is due to the Bluetooth capability. After driving this vehicle, I decided that this new version was not worth my hard earned money. Drive it for yourself especially those who own a 3.0 or 2.5 GT and I am sure you will be dissappointed. The car coupled with horrendous lease numbers made this car a definite "NO LEASE" vehicle.
  • cricktcrickt Posts: 1
    My 07 XT Outback with 5 spd auto turns 2600 at 75. The 2010 Outback 2.5i w/CVT turns 2100 at 75. Definitely quieter and using less gas.
  • How was the acceleration of CVT? Not in comparison to the turbo XT of course, but in general?
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,714
    Tire pressure may have been an issue. Apparently too many dealer cars drive with "shipping" (too high) tire pressure, which guarantees a rough ride.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Not bad. It seemed stronger than my wife's '01 Forester; but is nowhere as quick as my WRX, but that's to be expected. I think most people will find the acceleration of CVT to be perfectly acceptable.

    Bob
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    Off-the-line 0-20 or 0-30 mph means the most for dense city traffic. How was that?
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