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All-New 2010 Legacy/Outback

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  • I ordered a new 2010 Legacy as a company car back on 9/4. Anyone order a new legacy recently? Just wondering what kind of production times I am looking at right now.
  • curvecurve Posts: 20
    I have been keeping an eye on inventory within 50 miles of the Boston area. Everyday it would rise by 2-3 post C4C. It went from around 100 back then to 170 a few days ago. Then jumped to 180 and today jumped again to 200!

    The ratio of 2.5 to 3.6R has not changed since my last posting in early September. Most 95%+ are the smaller motor. A quick check on used cars ('08-'09) showed ALL smaller motors which confirms that the resell value of the 3.6R will suffer in relative terms.

    Still no posts on nav experience for 2009-2010 Legacy/Outback ?!
  • Have you tried the Ford Edge? I have driven one as a rental car and really enjoyed it.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,686
    Just returned to Alaska with my 2010 Forester, and its lights were fantastic even in the pitch black of remote Alaska Highway driving. I agree that a nice set of focused driving lights to complement the excellent lighting from the factory would have been nice, but I had no problems seeing wildlife in front or along the sides of the road without adequate warning. I was *only* going 65 mph though... ;)
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • Anyone else heard of the boxer 4 cyl diesel coming in a year or two? Outback and Forrrester. 140ish HP with 258 ft/lbs torque. Not blinding 0-60 speds, but respectable (8.6 sec.) Europe has had it already for a couple of years, of course and we should see it soon. City/hwy of 48.9 MPG. I could sure use that as I'll be commuting 95% highway fairly soon when we move up to the Manzano Mountains of New Mexico next year. ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think it's pretty likely we'll see either a Forester or Outback diesel, but it may only come in the 2011-12 model year.

    Would be a nice mid-cycle update for the Forester (2012).
  • Can anyone tell me if they have put 4 average size golf bags behind the rear seat (not on the roof)? In other words can it hold 4 passengers plus 4 golf bags? How tight was it in the cargo area? I know it will hold lots of grocery bags.

    If you ask some salespersons such a question they look at you like, now what would you want to know that for? It's a fairly roomy car and that might be a selling point to those who haul an occasional foursome around. Many of the cars and some SUVs today have smaller trunks that make them unusable for that function and that probably includes the Legacy.

    Thanks for any info.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,686
    I'm certain a Forester would hold four, so expect an Outback would as well!
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • Thanks guys, that web site has some good info. It looks like it should hold them with some maneuvering, but it isn't a "for sure'. We have one guy that plays in our foursome who has a Hyundai Santa Fe and the 4th bag takes some real gymnastics to get it in, then keep it in place while the hatch is closed. If anyone has practical experience with 4 in an 2010 OB pls let me know.
  • zelduhzelduh Posts: 8
    I know some of you on the forum are probably die hard suburu-ites...but I am just finding them now.

    I have a question:

    Looking at the outback and MAYBE the Forrester but leaning towards the Outback (2010 2.5LTD). I may be getting rid of the car in 1.5-3 years though as I am in the US for that time, but possibly longer....

    I am wondering how the resale value is or how they hold up in general in case I have to not keep it or leave for sure....

    I am wavering between the outback, Rav4 and the Highlander (which I almost bought last week)...

    Any advice...(objective..not cause you love your Outback..which seems like everyone does...:)

    THanks!
  • zelduhzelduh Posts: 8
    Another odd thing I noticed and forgot to wait for the answer today:
    While test driving the Outback, the car was in DRIVE MODE. My husband asked if you hit the stick for the Manual on the steering wheel while driving, what happens. The salesman said he didn't think anything..
    Well, my husband did it and it went to Manual (Gear 3,4 etc) WITHOUT him being in the MANUAL GEAR MODE.

    What is up with that...Wouldn't you think that you had to have it in MANUAL MODE AND NOT DRIVE for that to change>

    Second...The mirrors really don;t fold in? I did not notice that..I will have to go back..and test again..

    Thanks..
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,686
    If you use the paddle shifter while it is in fully automatic mode, it should shift on demand, but it should shift back in to cruising gear on its own.... I think. In other words, you can use it for passing, etc, without having the transmission in manual mode.
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • If you're only going to own it for a maximum of three years then don't buy a new car; that's where the bulk of the deappreciation occurs. Instead buy a car that is three to five years old with less than 60,000 miles in very good condition. With any luck it'll still be under 100,000 miles when you go to sell it while not needing any major work.
  • I think the resale value for the 3.6R will be to a degree dependent of the future price of gasoline. The 3.6R has a lot going for it so it will have its own following of devotees. The fact it uses regular octane gasoline while acheiving 256 hp will not go unnoticed. Now only if Subaru offered it with a manual transmission it would fill the void of the deleted Outback XT trim line.
  • zelduhzelduh Posts: 8
    Thanks for the responses..The thing is..I MAY own it for longer....If that is the case I want new..Need something reliable...:)..And I like the car:)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Forester was down a tad from a year ago to 4,839, Outback was up a whopping 63% to 4,268.

    So Foresters are still selling more, but the gap has narrowed substantially. The new Outback is selling much better than I expected.

    Resale - if you lease, the residuals on the Forester are a tad better, though both are very strong in the overall picture. For details, I would ask Car_Man, one of the Edmunds hosts, in the Lease Questions thread.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,725
    Got it in the mail yesterday. They gave it a good review, but said the handling got sloppy at the limit. They praised the gas mileage.

    Next month they review the Legacy.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They've said that before about many Subarus - which tend to "fishtail", in their words, until stability control kicks in.

    Basically you don't get the expected and industry-standard understeer, which does probably feel safer to an amateur, but takes the fun away from a more skilled driver.

    I can live with that. ;)
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,725
    Yeah, they mentioned the slow-to-react stability control too. They did give it their "CR Recommendation," though.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Subaru is pretty up-front about this. They've said they allow the AWD system to act first, and the stability control only intervenes when absolutely necessary.

    So this "flaw", or design characteristic, is very much intentional.

    I'm happy so long as they have an Off button for those snowy days! :D
  • blackbeanblackbean Posts: 100
    I saw the review as well and feel that CR, while being pretty unbiased, does tend to err towards the "how safe/predictable is this for the average driver who doesn't like surprises" reader. I have an '02 Bean with no stability control and the car is extremely predictable at the edge on dry, wet and snow. Tires are the biggest variable (after driver ability of course). I do hope the stability adds to safety and doesn't just kill the fun! From what I have read, the folks at Subaru have set the limits high enough so as not to completely remove driver judgment from the driving experience. I was not able to test this on my 2010 OB test drive, but will report back after I take delivery (hopefully soon!).
    Cheers,
    Matt
  • "I'm happy so long as they have an Off button for those snowy days!"

    There is indeed an "OFF/ON" button to control the VDC system.
  • eps105eps105 Posts: 216
    What is up with that...Wouldn't you think that you had to have it in MANUAL MODE AND NOT DRIVE for that to change>

    Second...The mirrors really don;t fold in? I did not notice that..I will have to go back..and test again..


    You can use the steering paddles in Drive to manually blip the tranny for things like quick passing maneuvers, etc. -- it will return back to Drive about 5 seconds after the last time you pressed the paddle. I've tried this myself several times, and I'm sure it's mentioned in the manual somewhere.

    The mirrors absolutely positively do NOT fold. They are painted in a way that makes them look like they have a pivot point, but they don't. This has been a common complaint on many message boards since it was unveiled in April. I expect they will add them back on in the mid-cycle refresh in 2 years as result of the complaints. It seems that most US-built mid-size family cars do not have folding mirrors, wheres imported cars (like the cheaper Forester) do so they can fit them tighter together on the freighters.
  • eps105eps105 Posts: 216
    Can anyone tell me if they have put 4 average size golf bags behind the rear seat (not on the roof)? In other words can it hold 4 passengers plus 4 golf bags? How tight was it in the cargo area? I know it will hold lots of grocery bags.

    IIRC, when the Legacy was introduced in NY in April, it was officially touted by Subaru as a notable feature that it swallowed 4 golf bags. That's in the sedan! The Outback will easily do it without a problem. There's no shock towers back there -- just a big [almost] square expanse between the wheel wells.
  • We are very interested in purchasing the 2010 Outback 2.5i premium with the CVT transmission. The transmission is of great concern to us however. We presently have a 2005 Ford Freestyle with a CVT. The Ford CVT failed at 15,000 miles leaving a path of parts along the road. The CVT basically exploded at about 35 mph. Ford replaced it and we are now at 45,000 miles but our extended warranty expires 12/31/2009. Ford no longer sells the Freestyle or it's replacement, the Taurus X.
    So what feedback can owners of the Subaru CVT give me? Does it work properly? Any performance issues or failures?
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    I think Ford and Subaru don't share the same CVT, and not ALL Ford CVT explode and left a path of parts on the road.
    This problem probably is another supporting evidence to explain why the big 3 are in trouble. I already sweared that I will NEVER buy Chrysler again as I got a lemon from them.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I believe Subaru shares suppliers with Nissan, and note that while Ford discontinued their CVT, Nissan not only continues to sell it, but keeps expanding availability to more and more models. They're betting on it, big time.

    It's too early to judge but I think it's fair to predict Subaru's experience will mimick Nissan's, especially since the Outback is lighter than the Murano.
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 685
    I am under the impression that Ford used a German type CVT like Audi and that the Subaru belt could be the same one. Subaru's sharing of parts with Nissan that used to be common may now have been converted to Toyota suppliers.

    There is plenty of noise from the Subaru CVT that I noticed when test driving one; noise is not a good sign.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I doubt they would have changed suppliers so quickly. Subaru and Nissan both employ VDC (same name even), in fact I wonder if the AWD system in the Legacy GT is the same as the one in the G37x.

    I'm not sure who supplied Ford, but they abandoned the CVT pretty quickly.
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