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All-New 2010 Legacy/Outback



  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That doesn't make sense to me - so they are going to keep your $500 hostage for years? Why not just lower the price to $1000 to begin with?

    I'd pass.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    "Decidedly muted" is exactly what I want, for Pete's sake!

    Who wants to be "connected" to increasingly falling apart, poor quality roads unless you are into having your bones jarred all the way up to your jaws??!
  • ahqahq Posts: 37
    priggly wrote: "Who wants to be "connected" to increasingly falling apart, poor quality roads unless you are into having your bones jarred all the way up to your jaws??!"

    I concur! I'm halfway through my two-year lease on a 2009 Legacy 2.5i SE. I love the styling, and the 17" alloy wheels with 50-series Yokohama Advan tires really add to the look. However, they do a rather poor job of dealing with the winter-ravaged roads here on the east side of Milwaukee and Shorewood, WI. As nice as this car is to drive and look at, I would not want to put up with the car's inability to absorb frost heaves and crevices over the long term.

    I'll have to drive a 2010/2011 around my neighborhood next August before I decide whether I'll get another Legacy. At least the 2.5i and 2.5i Premium models now have 16-inch wheels with 60-series tires, so maybe they won't be quite as harsh on these roads.

    Granted, other parts of the country don't have roads like ours, so some readers might not understand where I am coming from... but those of you that live in the snowbelt might have some idea of what I'm referring to.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    You are not alone in having bad roads, friend.

    Has anyone driven through Salt Lake City lately? The roads are terrible! Likewise Las Vegas and environs. Oregon is falling apart from one side to the other.

    About the only state with decent roads is Texas and not all of us live there.

    Buy the 2010 Outback. You'll be happy you did!
  • ahqahq Posts: 37
    Speaking of the 2010 Outback, I saw a forest green Outback this afternoon, and I saw a couple of navy blue Outbacks at a local Subaru dealership. They definitely look a lot better in person than in photographs. The only styling aspect I'm not fond of is the grille, although I suspect I could get used to it. It'd be nice if Subaru offered a "sport" grille for the 2010 Outback as an accessory, like they do for the Impreza and Forester.

    I'm quite astonished by the size as well... they're nearly as large as the Tribeca, although I don't really see that as a negative.

    Hopefully the long-travel suspension provides a more absorbent ride, compared to that of the Legacy.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    Hahahha; wow. People want 17" and 18" wheels and then [non-permissible content removed] about the car's inability to soak up breaks and heaves in the asphalt? Get a clue. Bad roads - what a joke! You folks seriously have no idea about bad roads.

    For what it is worth, a company can build a suspension to soak up our punishing roads without destroying driver feedback. The best feedback comes through the steering wheel. It is sad that Subaru wants to appeal to the masses because the masses are not drivers. Apparently, though, it is working. ;)
  • gjksngjksn Posts: 35
    I bought the Subaru Gold extended warranty for my 2003 Legacy wagon which expires in less than a month. Yesterday, I got the car back from the dealer after replacing the center viscous coupling/differential (I'm not mechanical), and the cost of the repair just about (but not quite) paid for the extended warranty. I think it's the only time I've ever used the extended warranty. Juice is probably right, though, so listen to him.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    Yeah, the gold warranty, if you can get a good price on it, seems to be the sweet spot as far as Subaru extended warranties go. If one major thing happens, it can pay for itself. It is great that you didn't have to use yours more than once, but nobody has a crystal ball.... :D

    Did you have your mechanic check the head gaskets closely to make sure there are no minor leaks developing? For the most part, those problems were behind Subaru by the 2003 model year, but there have been some reports of failure even in new models.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I read that in the other thread, glad to hear Patti (an old friend who used to post here, and now manages that group) stepped up and covered everything.

    You should put your 03 for sale now.

    We sold our 02 last year, right at the end of our 7/100 Gold warranty. It was great, selling it with even a tiny bit of warranty left puts the buyer at ease. Ours sold quickly and easily.

    Then get a 2010 Forester.

    Just kidding. Roads are terrible - buy a 2010 Outback!

    Just kdding again! Buy what you love! :shades:
  • udhoopudhoop Posts: 5
    Test drove the 2010 Legacy today and I was pleasantly surprised. I say this because I currently have a 2008 Forester for a company car and I absolutely hate it. The road noise is unbearable and it rides as if it has no shocks what so ever. Mind you I live in Northern Michigan where the roads take a beating and 6-7 months of the years may have snow on them. It is just a very uncomfortable ride all the way around and my job has me on the road all the time. I am due to order a new company car and my choices are the new Forester, which I refuse to order dispite the new design. The new Legacy and the 2010 Ford Taurus AWD. The Taurus was nice but I felt it had many blind spots in the rear and it made me uncomfortable. Like I said I was pleasantly surprised with the Legacy but I am wondering if I am going to regret the ride in the long haul. Anyone had this car for some time and can comment on the comfort and road noise...I would greatly appreciate it!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Nobody has had the new Legacy for a long time, as it just it the market. Also, I wouldn't write off the new Forester. I would think in Northern Michigan either the Forester or Outback would be the better choice, simply because they deal with bad roads and deep snow better. If road noise and comfort are concerns, the Outback would be the better choice.

    FWIW, the Subaru brand, in general, has a very high owner retention rate. Most Subaru owners, remain Subaru owners when it comes time to look for a new ride. So they must be doing something right.

  • udhoopudhoop Posts: 5
    I have two counterparts who also drive the 2008 Forester and neither like it. It was not "as advertised" when it came it it's ability to handle the snow. Just to light and small of a vehicle in my opinion. Our company got enough complaints that they allowed us all to get snowtires last year and that did make a big difference. The Outback is not an option for us. Only the Forester, Legacy or AWD Taurus. I originally had my mind made up to go with the Ford but after test driving it I am a bit hesitant because of all the blind spots it seems to have in the rear...makes me nervous...feel like I have to check 3 and 4 times before changing lanes.

    The Legacy felt much more comfortable than my current Forester and was definitely more quiet. I am just concerned that after a harsh winter on hard roads it too will ride hard like my current Forester. :(
  • xemexxemex Posts: 1
    We have 6 Subaru cars (2 Foresters) . I would like to hear from 2010 owners FORESTER (MT) Manual Transmission. Any experience on 1st gear uphill safety feature will be appreciated

    Thank You

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm curious, was it the LL Bean model, with the self-leveling shocks, or the standard suspension?

    Perhaps they're just defective.

    If you compare Vermont to Florida, Subaru has 14 times the market share in the snowy state vs. the sunny state. People love them for snow. I had a 98 and we own an 09 now - they are great.

    I think the shocks are simply bad.
  • jdljrjdljr Posts: 11
    Just stopped at my local dealer last night and took a look at the '10 Outback and the '10 Legacy. I like the re-design of the Legacy, and I was WOW'ed by the re-design of the Outback. Looks much less like a wagon, more like an SUV. I have never been crazy about the Outback, as I'm not a wagon kind of guy. But the '10 Outback really catches my eye. I think the new look is fantastic. However, seeing that I have owned my '09 Legacy SE for about a year, I'm probably not looking to trade, as I doubt the dealer would pay off my '09 Legacy. :surprise:
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    The final price of purchase extended warranty (Added Security) when your car is still within factory warranty 3/36000 is negotiable... They can ask for suggest retailed price and you can counter-offer.

    From price quoted to me, the formula is add $200 to $300 on the 50% of the suggested price. Most Subie dealers will sell you at that range and refuse any offers outside this range.
  • ssmintonssminton Posts: 155
    I am considering the purchase of another Outback. I owned a 2005 3.0R VDC for several years but went back to a SUV in 2007. Although I loved the driving experience of the OB, I was having trouble fitting adults in the back seat of my 2005.

    I test drove both engine models over the weekend. Having primarily driven luxury SUV's in recent years, my gas pedal foot and ears could not tolerate the CVT... as much as I wanted it to work for me! Although it more power than previous models, the engine growl was awful... I don't remember that in the older models? Thus, my hopes of some gas saving are foiled as the only model I could handle with my much highway driving is the 3.6R. My first impressions driving the car was that it was spacious but not nearly as "fun" to drive as my 2005 3.0R VDC. It felt very utilitarian, like the Tribeca I had experienced before making the decision to move away from Subaru for my last SUV purchase.

    I still have a place in my heart for a new Subie, but other than the relative "value" equation compared to luxury sport wagons, I am having trouble making the decision. Back in 2004, I found the 2005 3.0R VDC to outperform luxury wagons like the A4, 3-series, and Volvo. Now, they are not even in the same class of performance... perhaps due to the larger, higher body of the Subaru and significant refinements in the luxury classes. So back in 2005, it was an easy decision... save $10-15K and buy the Subaru. Now the cost difference between the Subaru and other luxury sportwagons has closed < $10K. The luxury wagens, with their efficient turbos also have phenomenal gas mileage, compared to the Subaru .

    Thus here are my questions for you Subaru enthusiests out there...

    1. Am I crazy, or does the new 3.6R not drive as well as the older 3.0R?

    2. Any ideas on real-world gas mileage for the new 3.6R? My 2005 3.0R VDC got about the same mileage as my current 2007 Acura MDX... 19 in town and mid-20's on the highway... any improvement with the 2010 3.6R?

    3. Resale values... one of the reasons that I went back to the Acura MDX was a less than stellar resale value of my 2005 3.0R VDC, compared to the basic OB models. With an even greater price range in the 2010 Outback line... this situation may now be even worse not better?

    4. With the 4-cyl not an option for me... any word on a a diesel or turbo 4 for the OB linup?

    5. Tell me why I should buy an outback and not a Audi A4 Avant or Volvo V50 T5, if I am going to downsize from my SUV, with the interest of bringing back driving enthusiasm and better gas mileage?

  • ssmintonssminton Posts: 155
    The industry appears to have taken a step back in the past few years... I sense fewer, not more, vehicles with factory Navigation available today. This is opposite from the trends elsewhere in the world. You cannot buy a Ford Focus or Opel Astra in Europe without even the most basic navigation system. As someone who has experienced both portable (with my 2005 Subaru and today during travel) as well as factory installed (2007 Acura MDX)... factory installed wins hands down. The ease of use and availability of traffic and weather data make it the best and safest option.

    So here's my question... is it true that you cannot adjust the Subaru Navigation System while driving? This was told to me by my Subaru dealer as he explained why they order zero vehicles with factory Navigation... this can't really be true? Perhaps in older models, but I have to believe that Subaru has changed this for 2010? Does anyone know? If this is still the case, then a new Subie is a no-go for me.

  • surrfurtomsurrfurtom Posts: 124
    I've had navi for years both as built in an stand alone and agree it should be standard eqpt. It is a huge help in traveling and a safety improvement.

    I have a Cadillac with built in nav and it requires the car to be stopped before you can do a search for POIs or request a route change or many of the other functions. It is a CYA thing that Lexus and other manufacturers do also to keep the interaction to a minimum when the car is moving. Yes it is a PITA especially when you have a co-pilot.

    For that reason I prefer my Magellan stand alone and my Verizon cell phone navigation over my built in car navigation. My Verizon cell phone costs $10 a month and it provides lots of dynamic info on gas prices, traffic, movies, etc and has automatic updates. It is a good deal. The only disadvantage that I can see is that it requires a cell phone signal and that can be an occasional problem and also the map function is less detailed. The Magellan works well but you need to buy updates that could cost close to $10 a month if amortized plus cost of unit.

    The factory units usually cost $2k but include a helpful back up camera. Good luck on your decision.
  • ssmintonssminton Posts: 155
    I am surprised to hear about this "disabled" function in some factory installed navigation systems. I change my route all the time while driving, especially when I'm hungry for something particular or traffic changes.

    I still prefer to find a factory navigation system with voice command capability... I think it is just a matter of time before many of the portable devices and/or interaction with them are banned.

    I will be sure to test any navigation system for such limitations you describe... perhaps I should keep the Acura!

    Thanks for your insights...
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