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All-New 2010 Legacy/Outback

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  • hi,

    i am about to pull the triggers on an 2010 outback. my wife and i test drove it last weekend. we felt the 3.6 drove a bit more aggressively. it was 'funner' to drive.

    i don't like that the sunroof is so small. and i don't like that the mirrors don't fold in. but neither of those are deal breakers.

    that said, what can you tell me about the navigation? is there any way around the grayed out functions while driving? or are you really able to control everything with voice commands? also, are there traffic updates? does it work thought the satellite radio? is the navigation satellite based or is it dvd based? do we need to get updates? or will it update itself?

    i know those are a lot of questions, but i am unable to find the answers and the dealers seem to know less that i do. thanks. :)
  • Hi,
    Here in Canada, to my understanding, the PZEV is only available on the base model of the legacy, or outback, so if you want any options: no PZEV. Most people up here don't have any idea about it, or what it is, while I would think they'd have commercials blowing their horn about it. It's a great idea.
    So I would have two or three years on a lease with no PZEV. :-(
    I also don't understand the tiny sun roof! What gives with these steps backwards! Mirrors that fold, turn signals on mirrors (both great safety ideas) small sunroofs,
    and then there's the cost. The Outback was more than the Legacy wagon, so if I want a wagon the choice is more expensive for something I'm not really wild about with fewer things than I had before.
    The Forrester is much different for me. Just grab the door handle: it slides and rattles, it's loose. Grab the back seat, it's also loose. Not even a cargo cover for the base one; again, it's a safety thing, you can't conceal anything back there unless you buy the cover. That's cheap! Make people pay for things they used to get, but tell them the cars are cheaper.
    It's like the old joke about the guy who goes to the farmer and says he wants a wagon, and the farmer says, "ok, that'll be 100.00." The city guy says 'OK'. The farmer then says, "do you want wheels with it?" "Oh yeah, I'd better get some of those, How much?" "50.00." "OK", he says. "Each." says the farmer, and so on.

    I still think they need to work on the back seat, too: ventilation, heated back seat, etc. Where did the cup holders go from the center?
    cdndriver.
    I'll have a closer look this week. The wiring harness blew on the steering column, so the airbag light is on. I spent three hours there while they looked for the problem and the sales guy didn't even show my through the cars. He did try to sell me an 09 Outback though, for 32,000 cash....
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,269
    I see.

    Yeah, the '09 Outback is the last of the wagons. I agree that it would be very nice if Subaru added the Legacy wagon back to the lineup now that the Outback has taken such a leap into SUV territory. It certainly places a hole in the lineup.

    The Outback's sunroof is a joke - it is just as tiny is most other offerings out there; it does not even hold a candle to the Forester or prior offerings on the Outback/Legacy.

    I'm not sure about the comments on the Forester. The seats and handles are solid in mine, though I do have a rattle inside both front doors. Not sure what it is, exactly, but both rattle and it can be heard just by closing the door. I will address that with the local dealer in December when my wife does not need the car for a couple weeks. The rear cup holders in that car are now built into the back seat. It is a nifty little setup, I think, but obviously would not work well if there were three passengers in the back!

    I agree about the de-contenting. I think it is quite silly that the rear cargo tray and cover are not included as standard equipment. While the cover isn't all that necessary on the models with tinted glass, if one puts in the effort, the cargo is still visible without the cover. They even go so far as to mold a storage area for the cover into the space underneath the cargo floor, but still do not offer the cover standard. I think that storage space would be much better suited if it was molded to store the crossbars (on the Forester - the Outback's bars store themselves now), but then again those do not come standard either. In fact, the base model deletes the roof rails altogether! :sick:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I went to a Subaru dealer yesterday and picked up a small sample size of Outback Detergent, plus a sock puppet of Stinky the Skunk. :D

    Very, very funny marketing campaign.

    My wife even got a stain remover pen. Cracked us both up.
  • anyone have much experience with the navigation on the 2010 outback? can it get traffic updates? does it work via satellite, or does it work off a dvd?

    and how about satellite radio - i see you can get an xm or a sirius kit. but aren't they the same now? as far as subaru, is there a preferred kit?

    and what's the harness? i'm thinking about getting the interior lighting package, but it seems you also have to get some sort of harness.

    anyone?

    thanks.

    ps. is $400 over invoice a good price? anyone having better luck in this economy?
  • KCRam@EdmundsKCRam@Edmunds Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,496
    Stinky the Skunk...

    I guess it was too expensive to call Time Warner and license Pepe LePew... :D

    kcram - Pickups/Wagons Host

    KCRam - Pickups/Wagons/Vans+Minivans Moderator

  • nes2nes2 Posts: 14
    I agree with most of your comments except the part about the roof racks. If you are a outdoors enthusiast and are used to putting a couple of kayaks or a long canoe then the factory rack sucks. Yes, it looks cute but its flawed in that you cant move the cross bars and the bar spread is minimal and so longer cargo(even a ladder) would not be well supported. The 2009 side rails were long and could easily support an off market rack such as a Thule but with the 2010 you would have to use the factory bars which wouldn't help - you still have lousy bar spread.
    very disappointing.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    Page 19 of this Outback brochure PDF shows the 2010 Outback carrying a kayak on the roof. So it can be done.

    http://www.subaru.com/content/downloads/pdf/brochures/2010_outback.pdf

    Bob
  • If you are a parent and drive a new Legacy, please email pr@edmunds.com to be interviewed.

    Need help navigating? kirstie_h@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Can't you tie down the ends to a hitch and the front bumper? I imagine there are ways to compensate for that.
  • eps105eps105 Posts: 216
    Vehiculus, Despite many functions being locked out while driving and an arguably mediocre user interface (including lack of 3D view and text-to-speed found on even $100 Garmins), I am finding the system to work pretty well and be pretty robust even while the car is in motion.

    For example, you can still access your Bluetooth phone speed-dial list while driving or even use the voice command to dictate a phone number. You can use the voice command to find the nearest POI's while driving, and you can initiate guidance while driving to your list of 5 favorite destinations. You can also change albums from the USB/iPod sequentially (previous/next) while driving (but you can only view the full list and jump to a specific album while stopped.)

    So while many functions are locked out while driving, I find I can still do most everything I need to do while in motion within limits.

    I did not purchase Siruis or XM, but I am 99% sure that there in no support for traffic in the Outback.

    Sirius and XM are merged to one company, but they are still separate offerings and programming.

    I think you have your tech jargon confused. "Satellite based navigation" simply means it uses GPS signals from the GPS satellite located all around Earth. All GPS systems are "satellite based". That's how they work. The software that uses those signals and displays your location on a map is always locally based. There's no such thing as the GPS signals updating your software. The GPS nav in the Outback has the maps and points of interests on DVD, which plays in a 2nd hidden DVD player behind the bezel of the nav system. The only way to get map/POI updates is to buy them from Subaru through Kenwood at about $250 a pop. If the nav software itself is updated, that can be flashed into the nav system's memory, but I'm not sure if that is free.

    Hope this helps.

    Elliot
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,652
    http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/suv/112_0912_2010_suv_of_the_year_winner/ind- - ex.html

    Kudos to Subaru, but did you see the the list of vehicles in this group? How can you compare a 4-Runner (a BOF traditional SUV aimed at off-road customers) with an Outback (raised unit-body station wagon aimed at going to the shopping-mall customers), or a Venza, etc.?

    Forget comparing apples-to-apples, or even apples-to oranges; no, you're comparing apples-to-hamburgers here. The current SUV-of-the-Year and Truck-of-the-Year awards are a joke, because there's no way you can objectively cross-compare the vehicles involved. Now the MT editors said they were grading these vehicles by certain objective standards, and that they weren't cross-comparing these cars—but customers will!

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Elliott: thanks for the detailed feedback.

    No 3D is ok with me, I think that's gimmicky anyway. You sort of lose space on the screen, as things get smaller as they get farther away. I use 2D mode, the direction I'm traveling facing up.

    No text-to-speech? Yet it takes voice commands? What an odd combination.

    For the Tribeca the pair of updated DVDs costs $230, but you can split it if you find someone on the other coast to share the cost. That would cut the price to $115 plus the shipping (twice).

    How's the 8" screen? That's a nice size. Garmins go up to 5" or so now.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 643
    They explained that they were not comparing each of the vehicles to each other directly. Rather, they were comparing each to six specific characteristics: engineering excellence, advancement in design, performance of intended function, efficiency, safety and value.

    She Outback is clearly a step apart from all others and a tremendous value.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Consumer Reports agreed - they rated the 4 cylinder model above even the V6 Venza.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 643
    I am still researching the new Subaru 3.6 and have some questions about the Navigation system in the car so equipped. I am trying to decide if it is worth the extra cost to buy the 3.6R Limited with Navigation or simply the 3.6R Limited without it and subsequently purchase a portable navigation system such as the Garmin instead.

    Can you tell me a bit more about the Navigation system? I know that it is made by Kenwood for Subaru. Does it use more than one disc for both the U.S. and Canada? Does it have any text-to-speech capability? Does it have lane assist, as does the Garmin Nuvi portable unit? How up-to-date is the data base?

    Thank you for any information that you can provide.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I believe it uses 2 DVDs like the Tribeca, but Elliot can confirm that.

    It do not believe it has text-to-speech or lane assist.

    Garmin's way ahead of them, being a GPS pioneer. Problem is the screens only go to 5" and they're not built-in.
  • Torn between the LGT's stick shift and the utility of the Outback, I'm thinking about racks and cargo boxes for the Legacy. The Subie site doesn't list any yet.

    Has anyone put a rack on their 2010 yet? Yak or Thule?

    Does Subie generally re-sell Yak or Thule or roll their own?

    The Thule website didn't have anything for the 2010 Legacy yet.
    The Yakima website did, but it also listed a 2010 Legacy Wagon,
    so I'm not sure if I trust it.

    What's it like driving a sedan with a cargo box on the roof?
    Which brand do you like?

    Thanks,
    tlc
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Does Subie generally re-sell Yak or Thule or roll their own?

    The Forester stuff used to be re-badged Yakima racks.
  • elliot,

    thanks for all the info. VERY helpful.

    -v
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