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All-New 2010 Legacy/Outback

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  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    I am happy to jump ship from the 2009 Forester forum to join this one. I just purchased my new Outback. My 2009 Forester had more rattles, squeaks and interior noises coming from everywhere in the cabin, thus making my experience with it extremely dissapointing. It did handle and drive beautifully which is why I bought another Subie. I find the outback fit and finish of the interior and exterior to be quite better than the Forrester. I hope in time, this will ring true I appreciate and thank everyone for all the postings thus far. Being educated and aware of any issues out there benefits all of us and allows Subaru to issue quick fixes when possible. I have seen this happen with the 2009 Forester.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hmm, they should not use grease on the lug nuts. They could work themselves loose. Anti-seize, perhaps, but not grease.

    At your next tire rotation (if not sooner) ask your dealer to trace the grease and clean up the mess. Doesn't seem normal to me.
  • Thanks for the input. I'll get it checked out.
  • "I have never understood the statement "tends to fishtail if throttle is lifted midturn."

    when you accelerate, the weight of the vehicle moves backwards (because the center of gravity is above the contact plane (tires touching the ground) where the traction is formed.

    this allows the rear wheels to have more "friction" / traction - a reason rwd vehicles are preferred.

    when you lift the throttle, the weight of the vehicle moves away from the rear wheel back to its steady state position. this lifts the rear wheels and reducing the downward force on the rear wheels, thus making them more likely to lose traction.

    a worse situation develops if you brake - in that case, the weight moves forward. this is actually how you get a fwd car to oversteer, with a little bit steering input.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Ah, the old Scandinavian Flick. :shades:
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,406
    Yes, and yet that still does not validate the statement, "tends to fishtail...."
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    Picked up my limited 2.5 black outback yesterday. I am impressed with the quality of the fit and finish. Although I only drove a few miles so far I noticed last night an unusual shadow-dark spot at eye level where the projector beam did not illuminate. Is this normal? They do project light much further on the road, however it seems the light is more on the road . I guess I will get used to it. Any comments are appreciated.
    Also the upgraded Harmon radio does not have a menu button on the bottom left as the one in the quick start guide. It says RPM ( which allow track mixing) I was trying to set the SVC or speed volume. I really liked this feature in the Forrester. basically the volume automatically gets lower when you slow down and louder as you go faster.
    Is this a feature dedicated only to the 6 cylinder model?
  • Congrats birdboy! As far as the headlights go, I have a little shadow dip right in the top center on the low beams. It's basically like the light from the headlamps arcs assymetrically and the shadow dip occurs right in the middle where the 2 headlights meet. It's only a dip or shift in "height" from one light to the next and only occurs at the very end of the lights- hopefully I am explaining this well enough. The low beams are pretty directed at the road and almost have a sharp cut off, which I found much different than my previous SUV. But I will tell you that after the first week I got so used to it I completely forgot about it until your post. The low beams actually work perfectly in the environment they were meant for and the high beams are fantastic - best I have ever had in a car. As far as the stereo I have not found the feature you mentioned. Have you googled it at all? There are some Outback experts blogging out there and they might be able to answer you or research it for you. Good luck and enjoy your new ride :)
  • gened1gened1 Posts: 256
    edited February 2010
    I just ordered a 2010 2.5 Limited Legacy. Each of the two other cars I test drove - a 3.6R Premium and a 2.5 Limited had the Harmon Kardon audio system in it and while stopped and listening to them really didn't think they were all that great. Neither car had a nav system. Is there an equalizer with the HK system if the Nav isn't in the car? I also tested a Buick LaCrosse that had the HK system and it was great. I'm hoping that the new car HK system can be tweeked. Anyone that has the Limited without the Nav can you share what you have done to get the sound to be better? I did play with the treble and bass and fade and balance but not too long as I wanted to drive the cars with the radio off. Also with the car I ordered I didn't think I needed to order the self dimming mirror with compass. The other cars had it and I thought that it was standard on the Limited. Do I need to call tomorrow and have it added as I really do like that feature. I don't miss the Nav as I have a Garmin and the Factory Nav I have in my Toyota Convertible is really poor.
    thanks for any help.
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 186
    "Also with the car I ordered I didn't think I needed to order the self dimming mirror with compass."

    I just saw this question and I don't feel like going into the new car build either here or on Subaru USA but I think it's standard, only an upgrade if you want the "homelink". AFAIK they can add the homelink at the distribution center or at the dealer by changing out the mirror assembly. Just for the compass and self dimming I'm pretty sure that's standard on all cars.

    Nice call on the Nav. BTW, what color did you order?

    easypar
  • gened1gened1 Posts: 256
    My wife (and I also) liked the azirite blue but in Limited trim it only comes with the light colored leather and with the Grandkids I'm afraid they would do a number on it. We had a Sebring convertible with the "butter colored" (wife's description) leather and they made me work too hard to get it as clean as I liked. We ordered the Ruby Red Pearl 2.5 limited as it has the off black interior and we wanted the Legacy actually without the sunroof (remember I have the Convertible) but there are none available in the northeast. The dealer looked for one with the sunroof and there are none like that in red that they could find either. So we ordered one. I'm not in a hurry so if it takes 6 to 8 weeks I can wait.( I say that now but in a week I will start to get jittery for it)!!! As far as the mirror I only wanted the one with the compass. I found the homelink on the convertible to be a pain to program but necessary as when I park the car someplace I don't have to worry if I leave the top down as the remote can't be stolen.
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    Drove my new OB 2.5 limited back to the city today. 3 hour drive. Averaged 29-31mpg @65mph. She drove beautifully. Gened , I personally would recommend the few extra bucks and have the dimming mirror put in. It is such a great option especially if you drive at night.
    The HK does not have an equalizer. The CD's sound great overall to me. Some radio stations as well. Overall I am very happy with the fit and finish as well as the ride so far. I did notice a little steering wheel vibration at 65 on the NYS Thruway.
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    Thank you sweetsoul, You explained it well, I am relieved to know that it is expected and that I will get used to it. I have never had this before either . The lights do project beautifully and yes the high beams are great. As for the speed control volume, it seems to be in the 3.6 radio, which to me makes no sense to have the exact radio with one differing feature. I am going to check again..
  • gened1gened1 Posts: 256
    This site that had info on the HK system
    http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/showthread.php?s=0f270d3d1ff9c3d0ddf63fa5eae- 1ff0e&threadid=22586&perpage=20&pagenumber=2
    Also I did order the auto dimming mirror. I like it and have had it on other cars that I have owned or now own.
  • gened1gened1 Posts: 256
    found this site on the radio at carreview.com

    The base stereo isn’t much to write home about, but I will tell you to leave the bass setting at zero. It sounds like it is centered at 125Hz and bumping it up will induce clipping. If you want to hear the bass, use the menu button on the left side of the unit and scroll through until you get to “CS-auto” and select 1 for normal to loud listening and 2 to hear the bass with low volume. The manual talks about some phantom center speaker hocus-pocus, but it’s mostly a bass-boost at around 60 Hz.
    Don't have the car yet so not really knowing what it refers to but maybe it will help someone else that can refer to their cars system.
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    Please tell me which model outback you have. I just got a 2.5 limited and am disappointed that the SVC sped control of volume is not there, as a matter of fact there is no menu button on the left. I assume you have the 6 cyl model, am I correct?
    Thanks
  • gened1gened1 Posts: 256
    Here is a very comprehensive all-in-one -place Legacy information website..Hope it will help somebody else doing research on the Legacy. (I think other models can be accessed too). more comprehensive than anything I have found so far.

    http://www.cars101.com/subaru/legacy/legacy2010.html
  • avery1avery1 Posts: 372
    Any thoughts on the pluses and minuses of the two different AWD systems found in the 4cyl and 6cyl Outbacks?
  • jtny1jtny1 Posts: 18
    yes my thoughts are
    if i would have known there were 2 diffrent systems i would not have bought mine. i love it dont get me wrong the 4 cly, great milleage etc but i dont hink it is as good as my old subi on ice etc
    what happened to the symetrical awd i dont get as much power to the rear wheeels as the older models, what is that about i am a very disappointed. everything gets cheaper and cheaper! :mad:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Get the H6 for the VTD if you want the best AWD system.
  • My husband and i have one failing car (a Suzuki) and need to buy a replacement immediately. I love the Legacy, however i don't like any of the new colors. Azurite blue is a possibility although i much prefer a softer, more silvery blue. I hate the shiney black fabric in the Premium that comes with many of the other colors (silver, for example.)

    Question: I don't know if i should wait until Subaru comes out with a replacement for their unpopular sky blue (perhaps this August???), or if i should buy the azurite blue pearl and live with it for the next decade. We do need a reliable second car NOW.

    Also i wonder if the dark blue is as hard to keep clean as black. Any comments?
    I would appreciate any input.

    Thanks!

    elena
  • We went to Subaru last week with the exact same question and were told that the ONLY difference between the 4 and the 6 was the power. We were not aware of any difference in the AWD systems. Will both systems do the same job or is the differnce noticeable? We gave back a 2005 Outback 3.0R and loved the AWD system on that car. Would the 4 be similar to that or should we go for the 6?
    We were going for the 4 for the excellent fuel benefits and felt the 4 would be adequate for the strict speed limits everywhere you go nowadays. We would appreciate any feedback to help in our decision.
    Thanks!
  • avery1avery1 Posts: 372
    If you look on http://www.cars101.com/subaru/outback/outback2010.html about two thirds of the way down you will see

    3.6R, automatic 5 speed transmission
    VTD (Variable Torque Distribution) All Wheel Drive system with VDC and Hill Holder VTD traction control system has 45/55 performance oriented, front/rear power split with Limited Slip rear axle.

    ">link title2.5i, Premium, Limited with Automatic CVT transmission
    Active All Wheel Drive system with VDC and Hill Holder. Electronically controlled, constantly varying front/back power split 90/10 front/back power split.
  • jtny1jtny1 Posts: 18
    if i would have known my subi had the 90/10 i would not have got it. it is not as good as my old subis int he snow. its still good but not the same, which leads me to beleive i could have bought any type of awd and got the same results
    that is very disappointing for subaru. i was use to the 45/55 and i think it does make a diffrence

    i was wondering if anyone knows when it says 90/10 when more is need in the back wheels does it go higher than the 90/10 or is the 90/10 the most it will do?? i'm a little upset to say the least.
    its been an icey winter here so its hard to judge the how it is doing since its icy
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Elena, Any very dark color will show dirt, as will any very light color. If that's a concern consider something that's neither too dark or too light.

    I was recently at the Baltimore car show, and they had a light blue Outback Limited on display that really looked good. Frankly, if you really like the car, I wouldn't be quite so picky about the exterior color. Obviously don't get something you really don't like, but I'm sure there must be some color choices that are acceptable.

    Personally, I'd be more concerned about the interior color, as that's where you spend all of your time with the vehicle. So I'd chose the interior color first (black or tan), and then live with one of the exterior colors that comes with at interior.

    As to next model year colors? I'm sure there will be a change or two,but who knows what color will be changed, and what it'll be changed to?

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    edited February 2010
    We have a 2001 Forester automatic, which has the front-biased AWD. Just last week, in our third (or was it fourth, or fifth?) major snow storm of this winter, I just didn't have the energy to once again shovel my driveway. So I took the Forester, and drove it up and down our somewhat long driveway (with a hill) eight or nine times. Mind you, we're talking about 17" - 19" of fresh unshoveled snow here. The Forester, with all-season tires, did just fine.

    Bob
  • According to my salesman who goes to the Subaru classes, the 90/10 is the steady-state ratio, that is just cruising along. As soon as wheel slippage is detected, or any time the vehicle is accelerating, more power is sent to the rear, up to 50% depending on the computer calculation for the conditions it "sees" via the sensors.
  • avery1avery1 Posts: 372
    Is that 2001 or 2010?
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,406
    2001.... the AWD system is the same except now VDC is standard on all models, which the 2001 did not have.
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    and I thought I was the only one.. I just got my black outback.. My priority was the beige interior, wood trim. My last two cars had black leather and dark insides so that eliminated the silver color and the charcoal colors which I would have liked. Next I wanted the Harvest gold, however there was a two month or more wait. I am not a navy blue person so the azure blue was out. The cypress green, well it was a strange shade and I did not love it. The black looked so classy and elegant so I went for it knowing that , in general black is a higher maintenance color. Oh yes , the white also did not do anything for me. I also felt that none of the color offerings were good for me. I also was lucky enough to see all the colors lined up in a row in the sunlight,
    Good Luck!
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